The UK/European migrant problem

Somehow can't see them going on holiday there or declaring it the place from which they're fleeing, despite their bypassing numerous other safe havens on their journey to handout nirvana.
 
Oh hang on there :mrgreen:. I ‘m quite alright with the British Cutters arresting French naval vessels escorting for aiding and abetting illegal migration. It’s either that or failing to rescue people in distress at sea and returning them to land.
Indeed the line of there is nothing that can be done, is a bold faced lie. That the media is trying its hardest not to cover the reality of what is being done tells everything.

That the media just as much as a political class of all stripes, comprising largely of those who either dont care or believe in open borders, and as to the others who are part of the media and political class they are just being spineless.

This mass migration farce, is going to continue sadly, until the pressure builds to a degree that either there, is mass mob unpleasantness or the welfare state collapses, which will also bring about mass mob unpleasantness.

Still as long as being thought of or called a bigot, is considered worse than facilitating the conditions for a collapse of civil society the media and political class will continue to exclaim "all is fine".
 
We need stronger legislation and stronger enforcement
We know they are coming over but if they are questioned when at sea and they say "Out for a sail going back to shore later" what can be done?
It's not illegal to leave the shore of a country in a boat.
If questioned in UK waters they should be told their position and instructed to about face and return to French waters
True if in UK territorial waters the responsibility "to rescue people in distress at sea and returning them to land." is with the UK but, if they whilst using a serviceable and still afloat boat, they land without papers then arrest/detain/return has to be applied
 
We need stronger legislation and stronger enforcement
We know they are coming over but if they are questioned when at sea and they say "Out for a sail going back to shore later" what can be done?
It's not illegal to leave the shore of a country in a boat.
If questioned in UK waters they should be told their position and instructed to about face and return to French waters
True if in UK territorial waters the responsibility "to rescue people in distress at sea and returning them to land." is with the UK but, if they whilst using a serviceable and still afloat boat, they land without papers then arrest/detain/return has to be applied
It will never happen. The powers that be, the civil service and the charidee snowflakes with their friends in the media have seen to that.

The question is the unseen hand of Soros and other billionaire backers of the common purpose/open borders mafia behind this?.

We know Macron is a avid supporter of mass uncontrolled immigration, and advocates up to 150 million Africans coming to Europe.
 
We need stronger legislation and stronger enforcement
We know they are coming over but if they are questioned when at sea and they say "Out for a sail going back to shore later" what can be done?
There are all ready many regulations in maritime law that cover, the use of boats. I am not current qualified as a boat handler but, these regulations would cover both commercial, and pleasure use. That these boats set out overcrowded and without a qualified operator should be enough to beach them...


It's not illegal to leave the shore of a country in a boat.
Indeed it is not however, it is if the intention is too carry out a criminal act, and see my above answer.

If questioned in UK waters they should be told their position and instructed to about face and return to French waters
Indeed they should never make it into UK territorial waters to begin with. The French are failing to stop them, either by design or incompetence.


True if in UK territorial waters the responsibility "to rescue people in distress at sea and returning them to land." is with the UK but, if they whilst using a serviceable and still afloat boat, they land without papers then arrest/detain/return has to be applied
This is the selling point for and clear aim of those who are organising the 'trafficking' because as I am sure you understand that "arrest/detain/return". Fails past the arrest as trying to detain let alone return them is now in the hands of immigration courts and the legal parasitics.

Clearly this is not a new thing and the lack of curiosity by the media is deliberate, this has been said by many in this thread many many times now...
 
Sangatte in the 90's jog any memories ?

Indeed and there was another case again of 'Tony Blair' serving the interests of the France and indirectly the EU rather than this nation, thus to protect the folly that was and is the 1985 "Schengen Agreement".

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There are all ready many regulations in maritime law that cover, the use of boats. I am not current qualified as a boat handler but, these regulations would cover both commercial, and pleasure use. That these boats set out overcrowded and without a qualified operator should be enough to beach them...



Indeed it is not however, it is if the intention is too carry out a criminal act, and see my above answer.


Indeed they should never make it into UK territorial waters to begin with. The French are failing to stop them, either by design or incompetence.



This is the selling point for and clear aim of those who are organising the 'trafficking' because as I am sure you understand that "arrest/detain/return". Fails past the arrest as trying to detain let alone return them is now in the hands of immigration courts and the legal parasitics.

Clearly this is not a new thing and the lack of curiosity by the media is deliberate, this has been said by many in this thread many many times now...
The last paragraph highlights how undemocratic, and quite possibly corrupt this country has become. The Blair creature bears a lot of responsibility for this.
 
Indeed the line of there is nothing that can be done, is a bold faced lie. That the media is trying its hardest not to cover the reality of what is being done tells everything.

That the media just as much as a political class of all stripes, comprising largely of those who either dont care or believe in open borders, and as to the others who are part of the media and political class they are just being spineless.

This mass migration farce, is going to continue sadly, until the pressure builds to a degree that either there, is mass mob unpleasantness or the welfare state collapses, which will also bring about mass mob unpleasantness.

Still as long as being thought of or called a bigot, is considered worse than facilitating the conditions for a collapse of civil society the media and political class will continue to exclaim "all is fine".
It's tricky. Were we to do something it could cause a diplomatic incident and IIRC their boats are armed- I think some of ours have water cannon. Plus on the civil side, if there is no paperwork with these people nothing can be proved other than they have arrived and that lands the ball in our court. At the bottom of all this is people. The other side of the coin is that at some stage if the pressure gets too much something will snap and then the cat will be amongst the pigeons. This means the Gallic shrug will be in evidence on a regular basis.
 
Indeed and there was another case again of 'Tony Blair' serving the interests of the France and indirectly the EU rather than this nation, thus to protect the folly that was and is the 1985 "Schengen Agreement".

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But again Sangatte was about using lawful means, within a restricted area. It has to be assumed that the French were complying with the concepts of international law.
 
It's tricky. Were we to do something it could cause a diplomatic incident and IIRC their boats are armed- I think some of ours have water cannon. Plus on the civil side, if there is no paperwork with these people nothing can be proved other than they have arrived and that lands the ball in our court. At the bottom of all this is people. The other side of the coin is that at some stage if the pressure gets too much something will snap and then the cat will be amongst the pigeons. This means the Gallic shrug will be in evidence on a regular basis.
Indeed it is 'tricky' but well I am little bothered about a 'diplomatic incident' when it is being caused by the French Authorities, clearly they are interpreting international law, maritime law and no doubt some French law both loosely and widely. I doubt the French would want to fire on any of our ships or boats, that could return these people to there point of departure. That would be a major 'diplomatic incident'.

As to paperwork, or lack of that is a problem for every nation that is trying to deal with mass ILLEGAL immigration. sadly though many in the legal profession, are choosing to ignore that these people are deliberately disposing of paper work when it does not suit them. Clearly though it is possible to show they are neither resident or born in the nations they have passed through.

It is also clear that both the 'Traffickers' are aided by activistic activist's both large and small, in many cases who use the law against us, add to that those in the parasitic legal profession who are milking it.

Yes internation laws needs reforming to deal with this but as we all know that both the EU and the UN is a not going to do that, which begs the question what is the point of the EU and UN? While that is somewhat of a rhetorical question, we either have to make it an issue or perhaps chin off the UN.

Of course that requires the political will, and sadly a media that would support such.

Clearly there is amongst the general population, both in the UK and more widely across the western world a desire to see mass migration brought to a halt, as many do understand that you cannot have decent welfare system and open borders.

Thus they cannot all be just a racist bigot's, despite the best 'narrative, framing' from the 'left' that is broadly supported by the stupid media.

despite the best narrative framing that

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Care4Calais, the openly pro-illegal immigrant charidee releases a statement through their house propaganda channel, otherwise known as the BBC,


Make no mistake, Care4Calais calls for open borders and totally unrestricted immigration to Britain. It is an organisation that aids and abets illegal immigration.

It is high time this so-called charidee was closed down, and it's assets seized, and those behind it arrested.


My bold perhaps their HQ could become the target of a patriotic arsonist along with the dwellings of its prime movers ?
 
Indeed it is 'tricky' but well I am little bothered about a 'diplomatic incident' when it is being caused by the French Authorities, clearly they are interpreting international law, maritime law and no doubt some French law both loosely and widely. I doubt the French would want to fire on any of our ships or boats, that could return these people to there point of departure. That would be a major 'diplomatic incident'.

As to paperwork, or lack of that is a problem for every nation that is trying to deal with mass ILLEGAL immigration. sadly though many in the legal profession, are choosing to ignore that these people are deliberately disposing of paper work when it does not suit them. Clearly though it is possible to show they are neither resident or born in the nations they have passed through.

It is also clear that both the 'Traffickers' are aided by activistic both large and small in many cases who use the law against us add to that those in the parasitic legal profession who are milking it.

Yes internation laws needs reforming to deal with this but as we all know that, both the EU and the UN is a not going to do that, which begs the question what is the point of the EU and UN? While that is somewhat of a rhetorical question, we either have to make it an issue or perhaps chin off the UN.

Of course that requires the political will, and sadly a media that would support such.

Clearly there is amongst the general population both in the UK and more widely across the western world a desire to see mass migration brought to a halt, as many do understand that you cannot have decent welfare system and open borders.

Thus they cannot all be just a racist bigot's despite the best 'narrative, from the 'left' that is broadly supported by the stupid media.

despite the best narrative framing that
I find myself mildly amused by those comments. Let use assume a clean slate scenario and a complete failure of the “Law enforcement agencies“, not just of this country But internationally because of the Political agendas. Of course it goes against the grain to think that these agencies are failing systemicaly as well as systematically and therefore quite deliberately. So let’s have a look.
Politicians talking big about money laundering prevention knowing quite well that stock markets depend on the movements of assets.
Politicians talking about the control of migration, knowing full well that in fact the global economies depend on paying little.
Politicians aware of an expanding population and knowing full well that a destabilised population is far from desirable.
Politicians displaying a marked reluctance to increase taxation, knowing full well that the pot is Shrinking, whilst offshoring is expanding Removing the amount that can be taxed.
Finally politicians wanting to get the economy moving again, against a background of greenism meaning that industrialisation must shrink And with it the control of technology is critical.
The conclusion is that far more people are going to be excluded from the circle and Trouble is inevitable. The only question really is the extent.
 

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I get the impression that the UK are frightened of the French because they are armed. This is a disgusting state of affairs for the UK.
 
Indeed and there was another case again of 'Tony Blair' serving the interests of the France and indirectly the EU rather than this nation, thus to protect the folly that was and is the 1985 "Schengen Agreement".

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All that effort expended by Tony Blair and the Blair Witch, and yet he still never got to President of the EU

He must be quietly sobbing into his cornflakes some days, waking up to see Cherie's face thinking where did it all go wrong
 
Home Office sending migrants back to France.

A Guardian article (who else) whining about migrants being sent back to France. I had to laugh at the quote from the lawyer saying there is no evidence that part time sailors had spent significant time in France. Where did they think they set off from then - Tahiti?

The usual whine from Clare Mosley - the women who was shagging a bogus Syrian refugee toy boy a couple of decades younger than her.
 

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