The UK/European migrant problem

So in most cases you I and other Arrsers, are singing from the basically the same hymn sheet, but sadly the government, the official opposition together with most of the liberal media, the chattering political class and those who like cheap home help, are not. Sadly the last decade plus has seen an influx of those who did not, and will not meet the criteria you have set out. This is not lessening to any substantive degree either. All the while maintance and expansion of the national infrastructure continues to be wildly out of wack with the population.

My family immigrated here just after the first world war, when immigration was not an issue, and society was very different, i mention this only to give context too when i say 'I don't blame those who don't meet the criteria' you set out and we broadly agree with "for wanting to come to the UK". I also understand that some are fleeing poverty and internal conflicts, be it political or criminal. Sadly though we all understand that life 'is not fair' and that is the truth, and that fact will never change, with as always 'the road to hell being paved with good intentions'.

While as a nation we can try and ameliorate this to some degree, with aid and asylum policy, we should not at the expense of the nation.


Not every legal migrant of course is a drain, but many are. Are they stealing all the jobs, no but they are adding to the drag on keeping wages down, especially when they 'Hotbed', add to that the increasing automatisation in the low skill economy. Also a large number migrants be they from the EU or outside of it, are not highly skilled or educated, we have plenty of our own low skilled and low educated, without needing to fish around the world for more.

While there has been some action, taken to restrict access to the NHS, at best its patchy and at worst there is deliberate failure to refuse access. Now of course there is not a simple solution to the ethical hand grenades that is health care is but it is unsustainable to continue as is and not expect the NHS to fail completely.


Add the shortage of housing even if we only counted those who are UK born and there is not enough, those who bring families with children, also increase the drag on an education system that was never funded state funded to provide support 2nd language support. These are just some of my issues with 'legal' migration, I find it hard that you can say that it continues to be a net financial benefit on the whole. I know that there are statistics used by economists to show that migration is always a net benefit, but statistics have can and are used to prove black is white.

The average joe on the street is seeing a different story, but for the fact that any critiquing migration is to be framed as racist bla bla bla. You have alluded to this yourself towards some posters. Some could even be racist, but that does not change the fact that migration is out of control.


As for illegals, well where do I start, national security, domestic security, public health security. The fact that criminal gangs make a good wedge out of Drugs, prostitution and human trafficking, and of course the many cash only businesses to launder the undeclared money, at the top end of the scale, and aggressive begging pickpocketing at the bottom end that also launders the undeclared money. So no tax or vat benefit at all is gained, rather it just adds to the investigative burdens. and general degradation of areas that have seen large influxes.

There are enough UK born criminals and its a rising sector, we just don't need to import more. Its is of course more costly to have to arrest illegals as they never seem to 'speak English' once nicked, and translators are provided from the public purse.

Not forgetting of course there is the add cost of the parasitic immigration legal sector who are abusing the law, legally of course. Those constant appeals I have yet to see any from the over generous naive left, who constantly tell me and others, that we are just 'heartless uncaring gammon bigots' offer to pony up there own money to pay for them.

Thus the discussion has and is becoming coarser when this is debated, its rather easy to blame the native population for the failures of government of both labour and conservative ignore, legitimate complaints, yet some of you blame the 'Far right' for causing this rather than the well educated liberal elites who have allowed this.


I don't want to see streets awash with conflict but unless, it is dealt with, and that means kicking those out of the country who have no right to be here, and a hard stop on mass immigration, until such times as the population matches the nations infrastructure and resources. Then its on you... don't whine about it.

See, I'm a total Lefty and a Remainer and there's very little I disagree with there.

Maybe I'd be a bit softer than you on refugees, but hey.


I just don't understand how we can continue to bring in illiterate, non English speaking Bangladeshis by the thousand; Turkish barbers; unskilled Europeans.... oh wait, I forgot, it's to keep wages down. Profits up.


The net result to GDP is positive; who gets that? Not normal people.


I just walked through Berkley Square, couple of hours ago. Pub there, the Footman. Popped in. The reek of money made my eyes water.

Beggar walks past the crowd outside -this is 75m from Bugatti's dealership- nobody even noticed him, on purpose. I gave the poor fecker a fiver; gen up ex Gunner, usual story, Iraq, divorce, booze.

One of the suits tut-tuts me for giving him something. ******.

I bet everyone drinking there is hugely enthusiastic about immigration; I bet nobody there supports taxation going to help guys like the beggar; I bet the beggar would have had a better chance without immigration.

It was £6 for a lime and soda too, the thieves.
 
Well, I'm glad you asked.

1. Nobody in unless we need them; and I think we have enough Turkish barbers and Bulgarian car washers, ta. Proper job from proper company. And we're going to check. 5 years for assistance to dodgy immigrants.

2. You're paying tax, because you have a job where you earn enough to receive zero benefits? Great! Once you've been here, say, 3 years, you can claim like a Brit. If you're either naturalised or in the process. Which costs £3k a year. For 3 years.

3. Your kids are here? They're adorable! Pay the full costs of the school, and NHS, and they can even stay!

4. Asylum seekers? Absolutely. Let them in, as long as they are genuine. Want to stay? Learn English, take nationality, maybe at a discount rate, or perhaps we can put a 1% surcharge on the income tax.

5. Married a Brit? Parent a Brit? In you come, and welcome. Any bluffing, you do time, and we confiscate property to pay for gaol and your one way ticket at the end.

6. 6 years Army or Navy (10 RAF lol) gets you citizenship.

Vote Spec Op for a sensible immigration policy.

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7. Red hot with big tits? You're in, sugar.
To put that into the context of when we acquired greencards to move to the USA.

You initially need an employer to prove that you are necessary for the continuation of their business and that you have a skillset and experience which cannot be recruited anywhere out of the 300+ million inhabitants of the USA.

THEN you have to give the life history of everyone receiving a greencard (every family member). You need to detail with dates: Every school you ever attended; every address you ever lived at; every job you ever had.

AND if you have ever lived (served a couple of years in) in any country you need to get a nil return criminal background check certificate from each one. That is easy in euro-land, try getting one from, ooooh lets say, Aden, or Kenya, Singapore even.

ALSO you need to prove that you have minimally completed Secondary School/High School. If you are going to undertake specialist employment you will need to have recognised qualifications in that area.

INTERESTINGLY you are required to allow yourself to be treated as a pin cushion and have every vaccination required of you by the US Govt. This has to be verified by a US qualified and State Department approved Dr. when you attend for your immigration medical - in London.

FINALLY you have to travel to London, or the appropriate US Embassy in whatever country you reside and be interviewed by a CIA State Department Officer. IF he is happy he takes your passports and a week later you get them back with a temporary greencard stuck inside them along with a sealed package for each family member.

It doesn't finish there. When you arrive in the USA at 22:00hrs you have to identify yourself to an immigration officer and he will take you to a side room where the sealed packages are taken from you. Then you need to complete the paperwork for each persons Social Security card - in our case that included a bored 7 year old and a stroppy 13 year old.

AND lest I forget, if you collect documents, birth certificates and police check forms from non-english speaking countries.........guess what, you are required to pay to have them all translated into english by an officially accredited translator.

Maybe, just maybe, they ought to introduce that kind of system in the UK.
 
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See, I'm a total Lefty and a Remainer and there's very little I disagree with there.

Maybe I'd be a bit softer than you on refugees, but hey.


I just don't understand how we can continue to bring in illiterate, non English speaking Bangladeshis by the thousand; Turkish barbers; unskilled Europeans.... oh wait, I forgot, it's to keep wages down. Profits up.
Indeed and this was your Labour party and other leftist that did this... and revelled in it. Yet when anybody across the parties of the right critiqued 'it. Then 'You' and your lot scream that the tramp kicking Tories are all xenophobic racists, regardless of how they make there money, even if its a small business like a local barber who is trying to compete against cash in hand or a white low skilled worker, failing to get a minimum wage job in a sweat shop in Leicester, which by the by generally owned by rich labour voters.

Also its the liberal elite's who also seemed to have weekend weed and coke habit, that is fuelling the drugs war. But who also seem to support labour and other socialist nonsense all the while blaming the rich... Have the right failed to deal with migration absolutely however, the left have screamed to the high heavens labeling any politician as being racists for wanting to turf out the very people who dont meet the criteria all the while encouraged the legal system to put up barriers at every turn, how many of the legal parasites vote conservative do you think.

There are some of the well to do on the right that are profiting from mass migration indeed, but they are a minority...

You say you "don't understand" how we continue to allow uncontrolled migration, well you keep voting against having to make the hard decisions and do something that matters. This is why I think the left are reprehensible cowards, who's answer to anything is Tax the Rich.
 
Indeed and this was your Labour party and other leftist that did this... and revelled in it. Yet when anybody across the parties of the right critiqued 'it. Then 'You' and your lot scream that the tramp kicking Tories are all xenophobic racists, regardless of how they make there money, even if its a small business like a local barber who is trying to compete against cash in hand or a white low skilled worker, failing to get a minimum wage job in a sweat shop in Leicester, which by the by generally owned by rich labour voters.

Also its the liberal elite's who also seemed to have weekend weed and coke habit, that is fuelling the drugs war. But who also seem to support labour and other socialist nonsense all the while blaming the rich... Have the right failed to deal with migration absolutely however, the left have screamed to the high heavens labeling any politician as being racists for wanting to turf out the very people who dont meet the criteria all the while encouraged the legal system to put up barriers at every turn, how many of the legal parasites vote conservative do you think.

There are some of the well to do on the right that are profiting from mass migration indeed, but they are a minority...

You say you "don't understand" how we continue to allow uncontrolled migration, well you keep voting against having to make the hard decisions and do something that matters. This is why I think the left are reprehensible cowards, who's answer to anything is Tax the Rich.

Tax the Rich is a great plan, but it is not the only thing that's needed.


Dunno about you but I've intermittently been active in the Labour party and consistently said pretty much what I've said in this thread, not that it's had much effect.

We've had too much immigration, and it's been a Tory thing.


Remember how New Labour (sorry, I just vomited) were "relaxed about people being filthy rich"?


Well, that was part of their deal with the Devil; mass cheap labour, no real row back on Tory union busting, in return for power.


Why would business care about these things? Doesn't affect the top few percent.
 
Tax the Rich is a great plan, but it is not the only thing that's needed.


Dunno about you but I've intermittently been active in the Labour party and consistently said pretty much what I've said in this thread, not that it's had much effect.

We've had too much immigration, and it's been a Tory thing.


Remember how New Labour (sorry, I just vomited) were "relaxed about people being filthy rich"?


Well, that was part of their deal with the Devil; mass cheap labour, no real row back on Tory union busting, in return for power.


Why would business care about these things? Doesn't affect the top few percent.
You really don't get it... I will stick to ignoring by scroll right past your input, just chalking it up as a typical envy driven simpleton socialist nonsense. Remember this if it does turn nasty, its on you and the rest of you spineless champagne socialist.
 
I just don't understand how we can continue to bring in illiterate, non English speaking Bangladeshis by the thousand; Turkish barbers; unskilled Europeans.... oh wait, I forgot, it's to keep wages down. Profits up.
Other things being equal, profits don't increase........prices drop to match the business owner next door who hired the same type of bods six months earlier.

It would be more accurate to say....."wages down, prices down.....profits stay the same".......although it's not universal across industries.
 
To put that into the context of when we acquired greencards to move to the USA.

You initially need an employer to prove that you are necessary for the continuation of their business and that you have a skillset and experience which cannot be recruited anywhere out of the 300+ million inhabitants of the USA.

THEN you have to give the life history of everyone receiving a greencard (every family member). You need to detail with dates: Every school you ever attended; every address you ever lived at; every job you ever had.

AND if you have ever lived (served a couple of years in) in any country you need to get a nil return criminal background check certificate from each one. That is easy in euro-land, try getting one from, ooooh lets say, Aden, or Kenya, Singapore even.

ALSO you need to prove that you have minimally completed Secondary School/High School. If you are going to undertake specialist employment you will need to have recognised qualifications in that area.

INTERESTINGLY you are required to allow yourself to be treated as a pin cushion and have every vaccination required of you by the US Govt. This has to be verified by a US qualified and State Department approved Dr. when you attend for your immigration medical - in London.

FINALLY you have to travel to London, or the appropriate US Embassy in whatever country you reside and be interviewed by a CIA State Department Officer. IF he is happy he takes your passports and a week later you get them back with a temporary greencard stuck inside them along with a sealed package for each family member.

It doesn't finish there. When you arrive in the USA at 22:00hrs you have to identify yourself to an immigration officer and he will take you to a side room where the sealed packages are taken from you. Then you need to complete the paperwork for each persons Social Security card - in our case that included a bored 7 year old and a stroppy 13 year old.

AND lest I forget, if you collect documents, birth certificates and police check forms from non-english speaking countries.........guess what, you are required to pay to have them all translated into english by an officially accredited translator.

Maybe, just maybe, they ought to introduce that kind of system in the UK.
Indeed, but the "racism" screamers would make any politician even contemplating any of that run screaming for his/her nanny.
Umpteen years of Labour politicians importing votes has a legacy that will never see any sensible immigration restrictions or requirements applied, that horse has bolted so long ago it's glue on antique furniture.
 
We've had too much immigration, and it's been a Tory thing.
Actually it's been both, because neither side have been bothered to sock it to the EU. It usual defeatist bull ordure of the Can't fix, ignore mentality prevalent in the fight against drugs. The fact that it isn't good for the mental well being of either the migrant or the recipient communities has been completely overlooked. Have you noticed that the within the migrant issue, Romanians Poles etc are not classed as Europeans etc because apparently it doesn't suit the Europeans to do so, yet according the EU law they are. That's a complete mismatch.

And lets be clear just because the gangmasters and the illegal traffickers make a profit doesn't automatically make them Tory and the narrative is they are actually helping people to their aspiration which is an apparently "Humane socialist principal" and guess what, the Luvvies fall for it in their droves. In the Calais context the French Government have collaborated- yes Collaborated, socialists the lot of them and the glitterrati have compounded the issue by demanding we ignore the rules- that the EU themselves agreed to. That's another mismatch

Gangmasters legislation is Socialist and they are supposed to enforce controls laid out by the Government but have been latched onto by the traffickers. Many work in POW conditions ( apparently acceptable) and are working to pay the traffickers and that's just the "legal side"

Now Labour say they will pay £10.00 per hour and guess what they're rubbing their hands in glee cos the income will go up. subsidised by---- another Labour Government.

But where's the Juxtaposition... Oh yes we're under-resourced at the Police level, have you noticed how borders have been quietly airbrushed out of the scene. The Almighty Police squeal and the Politicians Jump for PR effect.
NCA , SOCA as was, portray this as Tory Austerity., ....... don't tell anyone but Labour got rid of 12,000 staff working on the borders in 3 years and the police have to deal with the upshot. In the meantime K Vaz esquire was telling us how stupid the HO was and the PAC was telling how naff the Treasury was.

Then in short order it's Labour bailing out the Banks to the tune of 127 Billion and signing the Lisbon treaty and destabilising the ME. 2008 a Watershed year.
 
You are a ridiculous little man who really does set a depressingly low standard.

Oi! Rispek for our combat veteran innit!

He knows someone who worked in a hotel 50 yards from a pub the IRA bombed in the 70’s in Londonistan, earning him the Totally Tenuous Link 3rd Class
 
Well, I'm glad you asked.

1. Nobody in unless we need them; and I think we have enough Turkish barbers and Bulgarian car washers, ta. Proper job from proper company. And we're going to check. 5 years for assistance to dodgy immigrants.

2. You're paying tax, because you have a job where you earn enough to receive zero benefits? Great! Once you've been here, say, 3 years, you can claim like a Brit. If you're either naturalised or in the process. Which costs £3k a year. For 3 years.

3. Your kids are here? They're adorable! Pay the full costs of the school, and NHS, and they can even stay!

4. Asylum seekers? Absolutely. Let them in, as long as they are genuine. Want to stay? Learn English, take nationality, maybe at a discount rate, or perhaps we can put a 1% surcharge on the income tax.

5. Married a Brit? Parent a Brit? In you come, and welcome. Any bluffing, you do time, and we confiscate property to pay for gaol and your one way ticket at the end.

6. 6 years Army or Navy (10 RAF lol) gets you citizenship.

Vote Spec Op for a sensible immigration policy.

Edit:

7. Red hot with big tits? You're in, sugar.
I don't know how many posts you've made, nor how many of them I've read, but this is the first I can agree with.

Have a like.
 
Says the coward who took the money, walted in the uniform and has such low esteem that he boasts about it on an army based forum.
Still paying close attention to that 14 year old female cadet, Reactolite man?
I'm sure her parents love a bloke pushing 70 years old being so... "interested" in her... ^^

FML its like being tag teamed by Statler and Waldorf.
 
take his fingerprints.

I'd he ever returns to UK... Cut his hands and feet off and return him whence he came.

I'm an advocate of taking fingerprints (thumb print) of all travellers.
The technology was available in the mid 90 that I know of. I imagine it has been refined and improved since then.
A thumb print would make passing through ports of entry much quicker for returnees, and weed out the non entitled.
 

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