The UK/European migrant problem

Himmler74

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I totally agree, the idea that someone who travels half way across the globe for the possibility of dignity and safety is a threat to that society, is so degraded that they are ripe for the Fascist elements to co-opt into another attempt at racial purity of the Englander Volkischer (apologies for the poor Germanics but you get the point)...A return to a stylised and romanticised 'England' that never really existed is a dangerous road to go down but easily sold to those without hope, captured by Wiemarism for want of a better word I think...
It would appear it's ok if you are not “muslim” that's the vibe, it's also down to a selective knowledge and education, we have a polish resident happily saying Iraq, afgan, Syria is tribal matters, whilst never venturing, serving there. So send them back.

We have a certain demographic in this site, which is acknowledged by various moderators as being far-right, banging the drum on everything that doesnt represent their own stereotype, which in reality ended 30+ years ago.

This country ruled the vast majority of the world, we opened our borders to those that would help is in times of need, we need those Commonwealth countries to destroy NAZi Germany, yet because of sporadic terrorist attacks using religion as a weapon, a small minority think we should ban everyone, is love to hear those posters views on terrorist activity on both sides of the conflict in Northern Ireland.


It's like they are afraid of speaking to people who don't look like them, they seem to watch the news to get offended, which then re-enforces their fears, the same people then take to social, anonymously and spout extreme views.

If you have the courage of your convictions, crate user names that will identify you, then post. 99% and n this thread are not serving, so persec isn't and issue.

Some of the social.media posts differ from what they post on here mind, One user in particular post the usual social media pics and comments, which conflict with what they post on here. Wonder why.

I've screenshot over 500 images from 8 users on this site, who have benign open social media accounts,

If you want to be anonymous, pick a different avatar, email, isp.
 

corby

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It would appear it's ok if you are not “muslim” that's the vibe, it's also down to a selective knowledge and education, we have a polish resident happily saying Iraq, afgan, Syria is tribal matters, whilst never venturing, serving there. So send them back.

We have a certain demographic in this site, which is acknowledged by various moderators as being far-right, banging the drum on everything that doesnt represent their own stereotype, which in reality ended 30+ years ago.

This country ruled the vast majority of the world, we opened our borders to those that would help is in times of need, we need those Commonwealth countries to destroy NAZi Germany, yet because of sporadic terrorist attacks using religion as a weapon, a small minority think we should ban everyone, is love to hear those posters views on terrorist activity on both sides of the conflict in Northern Ireland.


It's like they are afraid of speaking to people who don't look like them, they seem to watch the news to get offended, which then re-enforces their fears, the same people then take to social, anonymously and spout extreme views.

If you have the courage of your convictions, crate user names that will identify you, then post. 99% and n this thread are not serving, so persec isn't and issue.

Some of the social.media posts differ from what they post on here mind, One user in particular post the usual social media pics and comments, which conflict with what they post on here. Wonder why.

I've screenshot over 500 images from 8 users on this site, who have benign open social media accounts,

If you want to be anonymous, pick a different avatar, email, isp.
Sorry, lost me.
 

Himmler74

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Can't cope with a divergent view, can you?

In you Alt universe that might happen but the UK citizens doing that would be breaking the law.
It's funny as we all appear to have voted the same way, yet a small minority, would like predators armed with Brimstone smashing anything that might contain refugees.
 

PhotEx

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I totally agree, the idea that someone who travels half way across the globe for the possibility of dignity and safety is a threat to that society, is so degraded that they are ripe for the Fascist elements to co-opt into another attempt at racial purity of the Englander Volkischer (apologies for the poor Germanics but you get the point)...A return to a stylised and romanticised 'England' that never really existed is a dangerous road to go down but easily sold to those without hope, captured by Wiemarism for want of a better word I think...

The Engerlanders have been sold the same fantasy as a certain Austrian painter sold the Germans.
The myth of an idyllic past that never was that was taken from them by ‘outsiders’,
 
Published by: Peter Allen And Tim Finan In Calais, For Mailonline, on 29 July 2021.

Revealed: How more than 2,000 UK-bound migrants have dispersed from Calais into small groups and gone into hiding in sand dunes and woodland along 100 miles of French coast to evade police
  • Dozens of groups are hidden just back from the beaches from Dieppe to Dunkirk
  • Those with more money stay further inland as they are less likely to be caught
  • A record 8500 men, women and children have reached the UK already this year
Thousands of migrants attempting to cross the Channel into Britain in small boats have dispersed into small groups hidden among sand dunes and woodlands across over 100 miles of coastline.

Attempts by French police to prevent the would-be boat people to gather en masse in areas around Calais - the site of the infamous Jungle camp - have resulted in them dispersing over a huge area, a MailOnline investigation has revealed.

The original intention of the crackdown by gendarmes was to stop Calais and Dunkirk being visibly populated by thousands of destitute migrants from Asia and Africa bent on reaching the Kent coast.

But the effect has not reduced the numbers crossing at all - this summer has seen record numbers getting to Britain - only making it harder for the authorities to monitor them, to the fury of UK Home Secretary Priti Patel.

She controversially pledged a handout of £54 million to the French this month to spend on tripling Police presence at Calais and installing state of the art surveillance equipment.

But MailOnline's investigation showed the sheer scale of the area that now needs patrolling - and illustrated how hard they are to detect.

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This map shows how migrants have been dispersed from Calais and are hiding in small groups along the northern French coastline.

We toured the coastline from Dieppe to Dunkirk a distance of over 120 miles, and witnessed dozens of small groups concealed in desolate places just back from the beaches that their boats will embark from.

As well as the famous Sangatte where the boats used to start in number there are now regular embarkations from smaller, quieter beaches further from Calais, at places like Escalles, Wissant, Audresselles, La Pointe des Oies at Wimereux and Équihen to the West and Platier Oye, Hemmes de Marck and Gravelines to the East.

Hundreds more who have better financial resources are able to stay deeper inland where they have less chance of being spotted by police - and pay to be bussed in by van at the last minute to rush straight on to boats ready to go.

The police, acting on the orders of Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart and hardline Interior minister Gerald Darmanin, have succeeded in ridding Calais and Dunkirk of mass squat camps.

And since the closure of the last of these camps last year the authorities have been intent on preventing migrants settling in any fixed place.

This is because under French law if the refugees manage to camp out in the same place for two days then the authorities need a court order to move them - and determination to prevent the establishment of new camps has resulted in a game of cat and mouse between police and migrants.

But the French tactic has merely succeeded in driving the thousands into hiding out in small groups living rough and on the move - yet still determined to reach the UK.

A record 8500 men, women and children have managed to get to England in small boats already this year, and the numbers are still rising.

At least 430 crossed the Channel on Monday last week - a new record for a single day, the Home Office has confirmed.

There are thought to be around 2,000 migrants in small groups in areas around Calais and Dunkirk, mainly from Iran, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan as well as multiple countries across north and sub-Saharan Africa.

Many more are lying low deeper inland from Calais, Dunkirk and Boulogne, in Belgium and further west along the French coast as far as Dieppe and beyond.

All are relentlessly pursued by police and told to move on wherever they are found, often having belongings confiscated.

When the police arrive they cut and run for cover. Some even dig holes in the sand to hide in. If spotted police will confiscated sleeping bags, tents and personal possessions and tell them to move on.

At night they creep out from their hiding places and those with the means risk their lives and head towards the Kent coast in the frail dinghies supplied by ruthless people smugglers. Those without money try to steal boats or hide in lorries.

Officials claim that their numbers have been drastically reduced but charity organisers say that the refugees have merely become 'invisible' and are still numerous and in worse straits than ever before.

Franck Dhersin, mayor of Teteghem, a suburb of Dunkirk, said: 'We are seeing daily interventions by riot police who confiscate sleeping bags, tents and personal possessions of migrants in a bid to harass them and prevent them settling in permanent squats.

As a result the migrants have scattered and are hiding out in small groups in woods and the sand dunes between Calais and Dunkirk.

'The increased Police activity is doing nothing to stem the flow of migrants arriving daily.'

He added: 'The only solution to the migrant crisis is to arrest and imprison people smuggler kingpins.

'The mafia overlords, mostly Albanian, Iraqi or Iranian British passport holders, control the trade but are based in London, acting with impunity and laundering the proceeds of their ruthless trade into clubs, restaurants and upmarket properties in London.'

Marie Chapelle, organiser of charity migrant aid organisation Utopia 56 said: 'There are large numbers of migrants at Dunkirk and Calais hiding out and squatting in woods and the dunes.

There are up to 600 at Grande Synthe on the outskirts of Dunkirk and up to 2000 in Calais and Coquelles close to the Channel tunnel terminal.

'They are being systematically traumatised by police who wake them up in the middle of the night shining torches in their faces and confiscating sleeping bags , backpacks with personal belongings , tents and blankets.

'They bring in a private contractor to shred their migrants' possessions so that they cannot be reused

'A lot are suffering from mental illness brought on stress and discomfort. Others have cuts and bruises and maladies like scabies and lung disease.'

This week Gendarmes closed off a tourist beach at Belleville sur Mer north east of Dieppe 120 miles west of Calais and have carried out nightly raids on the coast after reports of migrants gathering on beaches to board dinghies supplied by people smugglers.

The crossings diminish the further west you get as the distances to the UK increase hugely. But they don't stop at Dieppe.

The port of Ouistreham even further west and Roscoff in Brittany have also been targeted by migrants attempting to stow away in UK and Ireland bound lorries.

We spoke to two migrants trying to get to Britain, both young men in their early 20s from Afghanistan.

Firsah told us: 'The Taliban are coming back to Afghanistan. They killed my father and my brother and I had to run to save my life. Now I am in Dunkirk. I can see the coast of England but I don't have enough money to pay for a place in a boat.

'The French Police come every day or every two days. They take our blankets and tents and if we object they beat us or use tear gas. All the exiles I have spoken to tell the same story

'I don't know how long I will be here. I don't know what my future is. There are good people who give us food and encouragement. But I want to go to England. There I can find my own people and get work and somewhere to stay'.

Aazar, said: 'We are frightened of the Police. We have to hide in the woods or the dunes. If they find us they take all our possessions and we are left with nothing.

'We have been here, around Dunkirk, for two months. We are waiting to get to England. I can't tell you how we are going to get there.'

The danger involved was starkly highlighted when a whole family of Kurdish Iranians drowned last autumn: Rasul Iran Nezhad and his wife, Shiva Mohammad Panahi, both 35, and their children, Anita, nine, and Armin, six and baby brother Artin, 15 months.

Artin's body was only discovered on a beach in Norway on two months later.

The family had paid off the people smugglers. They were warned of the dangers due to bad weather but said it was 'their last chance'.

Since Artin perished the situation of migrants on the French coast has become even more precarious.

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The French tactics have merely succeeded in driving the thousands into hiding out in small groups living rough and on the move - yet still determined to reach the UK.

 
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Published by: Peter Allen And Tim Finan In Calais, For Mailonline, on 29 July 2021.

Revealed: How more than 2,000 UK-bound migrants have dispersed from Calais into small groups and gone into hiding in sand dunes and woodland along 100 miles of French coast to evade police
  • Dozens of groups are hidden just back from the beaches from Dieppe to Dunkirk
  • Those with more money stay further inland as they are less likely to be caught
  • A record 8500 men, women and children have reached the UK already this year
Thousands of migrants attempting to cross the Channel into Britain in small boats have dispersed into small groups hidden among sand dunes and woodlands across over 100 miles of coastline.

Attempts by French police to prevent the would-be boat people to gather en masse in areas around Calais - the site of the infamous Jungle camp - have resulted in them dispersing over a huge area, a MailOnline investigation has revealed.

The original intention of the crackdown by gendarmes was to stop Calais and Dunkirk being visibly populated by thousands of destitute migrants from Asia and Africa bent on reaching the Kent coast.

But the effect has not reduced the numbers crossing at all - this summer has seen record numbers getting to Britain - only making it harder for the authorities to monitor them, to the fury of UK Home Secretary Priti Patel.

She controversially pledged a handout of £54 million to the French this month to spend on tripling Police presence at Calais and installing state of the art surveillance equipment.

But MailOnline's investigation showed the sheer scale of the area that now needs patrolling - and illustrated how hard they are to detect.

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This map shows how migrants have been dispersed from Calais and are hiding in small groups along the northern French coastline.

We toured the coastline from Dieppe to Dunkirk a distance of over 120 miles, and witnessed dozens of small groups concealed in desolate places just back from the beaches that their boats will embark from.

As well as the famous Sangatte where the boats used to start in number there are now regular embarkations from smaller, quieter beaches further from Calais, at places like Escalles, Wissant, Audresselles, La Pointe des Oies at Wimereux and Équihen to the West and Platier Oye, Hemmes de Marck and Gravelines to the East.

Hundreds more who have better financial resources are able to stay deeper inland where they have less chance of being spotted by police - and pay to be bussed in by van at the last minute to rush straight on to boats ready to go.

The police, acting on the orders of Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart and hardline Interior minister Gerald Darmanin, have succeeded in ridding Calais and Dunkirk of mass squat camps.

And since the closure of the last of these camps last year the authorities have been intent on preventing migrants settling in any fixed place.

This is because under French law if the refugees manage to camp out in the same place for two days then the authorities need a court order to move them - and determination to prevent the establishment of new camps has resulted in a game of cat and mouse between police and migrants.

But the French tactic has merely succeeded in driving the thousands into hiding out in small groups living rough and on the move - yet still determined to reach the UK.

A record 8500 men, women and children have managed to get to England in small boats already this year, and the numbers are still rising.

At least 430 crossed the Channel on Monday last week - a new record for a single day, the Home Office has confirmed.

There are thought to be around 2,000 migrants in small groups in areas around Calais and Dunkirk, mainly from Iran, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan as well as multiple countries across north and sub-Saharan Africa.

Many more are lying low deeper inland from Calais, Dunkirk and Boulogne, in Belgium and further west along the French coast as far as Dieppe and beyond.

All are relentlessly pursued by police and told to move on wherever they are found, often having belongings confiscated.

When the police arrive they cut and run for cover. Some even dig holes in the sand to hide in. If spotted police will confiscated sleeping bags, tents and personal possessions and tell them to move on.

At night they creep out from their hiding places and those with the means risk their lives and head towards the Kent coast in the frail dinghies supplied by ruthless people smugglers. Those without money try to steal boats or hide in lorries.

Officials claim that their numbers have been drastically reduced but charity organisers say that the refugees have merely become 'invisible' and are still numerous and in worse straits than ever before.

Franck Dhersin, mayor of Teteghem, a suburb of Dunkirk, said: 'We are seeing daily interventions by riot police who confiscate sleeping bags, tents and personal possessions of migrants in a bid to harass them and prevent them settling in permanent squats.

As a result the migrants have scattered and are hiding out in small groups in woods and the sand dunes between Calais and Dunkirk.

'The increased Police activity is doing nothing to stem the flow of migrants arriving daily.'

He added: 'The only solution to the migrant crisis is to arrest and imprison people smuggler kingpins.

'The mafia overlords, mostly Albanian, Iraqi or Iranian British passport holders, control the trade but are based in London, acting with impunity and laundering the proceeds of their ruthless trade into clubs, restaurants and upmarket properties in London.'

Marie Chapelle, organiser of charity migrant aid organisation Utopia 56 said: 'There are large numbers of migrants at Dunkirk and Calais hiding out and squatting in woods and the dunes.

There are up to 600 at Grande Synthe on the outskirts of Dunkirk and up to 2000 in Calais and Coquelles close to the Channel tunnel terminal.

'They are being systematically traumatised by police who wake them up in the middle of the night shining torches in their faces and confiscating sleeping bags , backpacks with personal belongings , tents and blankets.

'They bring in a private contractor to shred their migrants' possessions so that they cannot be reused

'A lot are suffering from mental illness brought on stress and discomfort. Others have cuts and bruises and maladies like scabies and lung disease.'

This week Gendarmes closed off a tourist beach at Belleville sur Mer north east of Dieppe 120 miles west of Calais and have carried out nightly raids on the coast after reports of migrants gathering on beaches to board dinghies supplied by people smugglers.

The crossings diminish the further west you get as the distances to the UK increase hugely. But they don't stop at Dieppe.

The port of Ouistreham even further west and Roscoff in Brittany have also been targeted by migrants attempting to stow away in UK and Ireland bound lorries.

We spoke to two migrants trying to get to Britain, both young men in their early 20s from Afghanistan.

Firsah told us: 'The Taliban are coming back to Afghanistan. They killed my father and my brother and I had to run to save my life. Now I am in Dunkirk. I can see the coast of England but I don't have enough money to pay for a place in a boat.

'The French Police come every day or every two days. They take our blankets and tents and if we object they beat us or use tear gas. All the exiles I have spoken to tell the same story

'I don't know how long I will be here. I don't know what my future is. There are good people who give us food and encouragement. But I want to go to England. There I can find my own people and get work and somewhere to stay'.

Aazar, said: 'We are frightened of the Police. We have to hide in the woods or the dunes. If they find us they take all our possessions and we are left with nothing.

'We have been here, around Dunkirk, for two months. We are waiting to get to England. I can't tell you how we are going to get there.'

The danger involved was starkly highlighted when a whole family of Kurdish Iranians drowned last autumn: Rasul Iran Nezhad and his wife, Shiva Mohammad Panahi, both 35, and their children, Anita, nine, and Armin, six and baby brother Artin, 15 months.

Artin's body was only discovered on a beach in Norway on two months later.

The family had paid off the people smugglers. They were warned of the dangers due to bad weather but said it was 'their last chance'.

Since Artin perished the situation of migrants on the French coast has become even more precarious.

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The French tactics have merely succeeded in driving the thousands into hiding out in small groups living rough and on the move - yet still determined to reach the UK.


Just posting the link will suffice, and it’s already been posted by Snowpperson
 
To my knowledge - since they came back from Gibraltar - this is the first time these two have been further east than Portsmouth . . . although they were off-shore, further west, during the G7 meeting. I have no idea why they visited London ?!

I cannot imagine, that the Royal Navy, is now to get involved in this debacle :( !!

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Himmler74

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I havent read anyone on this site who wants to "Ban everyone". Could you point these out to me? To take things to imagined extremes just nullifies all of your post.
I'm sorry, they want to ban, everyone crossing illegally, send them back apparently.
 

PhotEx

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To my knowledge - since they came back from Gibraltar - this is the first time these two have been further east than Portsmouth . . . although they were off-shore, further west, during the G7 meeting. I have no idea why they visited London ?!

I cannot imagine, that the Royal Navy, is now to get involved in this debacle :( !!

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Twin GPMG’s! just think of the slaughter these boats can wreak in your Final Solution of the Migrant Question fantasy!
 
Are you saying they should. be left to there own devices? the World Maritime Rule, anyone in distress at sea must be offered succour.

Fine, land them in France then so they don't suffer the horrors of racist Britain

Letting them come to the UK is an act of barbarism, they could end up living in Rhyl
 
Refugees that have already become the responsibility of another State. As the UK 'picked them up' in this instance they cannot be 'forced' back to another, refoulement I think it was termed in the UN Treaty, was what I was poorly trying to say...
I know what you were getting at. I think what people get confused with is that refugees with no status, who should have been handled in another state can be handed back. They are not technically in danger in that state but there is no half way house. One is either legally in in a country or one is not.
 

PhotEx

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The Engerlanders aren't thinking this through…

‘owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reason of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it’.

the French Police systematically beating up migrants, destroying their camps and personal property, gives migrants a claim that they have a well founded fear of being persecuted.

C'est un own goal - pas de refoulment mes amies.
 
I'm sorry, they want to ban, everyone crossing illegally, send them back apparently.
That's not what you implied here:-
"This country ruled the vast majority of the world, we opened our borders to those that would help is in times of need, we need those Commonwealth countries to destroy NAZi Germany, yet because of sporadic terrorist attacks using religion as a weapon, a small minority think we should ban everyone"
 
To my knowledge - since they came back from Gibraltar - this is the first time these two have been further east than Portsmouth . . . although they were off-shore, further west, during the G7 meeting. I have no idea why they visited London ?!

I cannot imagine, that the Royal Navy, is now to get involved in this debacle :( !!

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If you have ever associated with our matelot friends then you may have heard of the ‘Thursday War’ - doff the tin-foil millinery and return the keys to the outrage bus (I don’t care if you’ve signed the works ticket, keys - NOW!).
:-D
 

sirbhp

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Is it me ? I thought that certain of us had been complaining that theres not enough immigrants to pick our crops serve us our meals and beers or even drive our lorries
 
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