The UK/European migrant problem

Er no it’s not. It’s actually down to PAF. People are not classified as goods.
Refugees that have already become the responsibility of another State. As the UK 'picked them up' in this instance they cannot be 'forced' back to another, refoulement I think it was termed in the UN Treaty, was what I was poorly trying to say...
 

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Tow them back to Calais harbour (other ports are available), and disable the engine; of leave them within wading distance of the French beach, and disable the engine . . . rinse and repeat . . .

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You really aren’t thinking this through, are you?

You take the boat under tow, You become legally responsible for the occupants.
You disabled the boat, You have an absolute legal duty to rescue the occupants.
 
Refoulement I think it's referred to in the UN treaty, a copy of which is in one of my earlier posts to the Lump Hammer Technician...
Why are you replying to yourself?
 
You really aren’t thinking this through, are you?

You take the boat under tow, You become legally responsible for the occupants.
You disabled the boat, You have an absolute legal duty to rescue the occupants.
The French are always there first
 
How do we know where they are from? The SIM card in the Iphone?
I imagine it's usually the language they speak, Refugees Nationalities are probably identifiable, it's just which area province etc that must be harder. Unfortunately without documentation we will have to accept them, there is no lawful or ethical way of dealing with this problem in reality, whatever Politicians (of any persuasion) playing to the gallery say...
 
Nope, You wilfully disable or render a boat unseaworthy, You have an absolute duty of care to the occupants.
How is that relevant to my post?
 
The plastic Pole is wrong, but do carry on

Home Affairs Committee
Oral evidence: The Work of the Home Secretary, HC 192
Wednesday 21 July 2021

"Q232 Tim Loughton: Okay, but, Home Secretary, that is an excuse from the
French. The French having a different interpretation is the French giving
you an excuse for not doing what they are not only able to do under
international law but actually obliged to do under international law
because the occupants of those boats are committing two crimes. One is
trying to enter the UK illegally and the second is paying money to
organised crime, both of which provide grounds for those boats to be
intercepted and the occupants apprehended in as safe a way as possible
and returned to France.
You are getting fobbed off with excuses".

Page 21 -of- 35. https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/2602/pdf/



If you disagree, write to . . .

Yvette Cooper MP
Chair of the Home Affairs Committee
House of Commons
London
SW1A 0AA
 
The French are always there first . . .
"The French are always there first . . . ", and the French will be there at the end, when the UK abandons the inflatables in French waters. No further thought necessary . . . :) .
 

PhotEx

On ROPS
On ROPs
Home Affairs Committee
Oral evidence: The Work of the Home Secretary, HC 192
Wednesday 21 July 2021

"Q232 Tim Loughton: Okay, but, Home Secretary, that is an excuse from the
French. The French having a different interpretation is the French giving
you an excuse for not doing what they are not only able to do under
international law but actually obliged to do under international law
because the occupants of those boats are committing two crimes. One is
trying to enter the UK illegally and the second is paying money to
organised crime, both of which provide grounds for those boats to be
intercepted and the occupants apprehended in as safe a way as possible
and returned to France.
You are getting fobbed off with excuses".

Page 21 -of- 35. https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/2602/pdf/



If you disagree, write to . . .

Yvette Cooper MP
Chair of the Home Affairs Committee
House of Commons
London
SW1A 0AA

Loughton is talking out of his bum.
 
Home Affairs Committee
Oral evidence: The Work of the Home Secretary, HC 192
Wednesday 21 July 2021

"Q232 Tim Loughton: Okay, but, Home Secretary, that is an excuse from the
French. The French having a different interpretation is the French giving
you an excuse for not doing what they are not only able to do under
international law but actually obliged to do under international law
because the occupants of those boats are committing two crimes. One is
trying to enter the UK illegally and the second is paying money to
organised crime, both of which provide grounds for those boats to be
intercepted and the occupants apprehended in as safe a way as possible
and returned to France.
You are getting fobbed off with excuses".

Page 21 -of- 35. https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/2602/pdf/



If you disagree, write to . . .

Yvette Cooper MP
Chair of the Home Affairs Committee
House of Commons
London
SW1A 0AA
Technically he's correct I would say, they are trying to enter the UK 'illegally' but...that can't be used against them, nor can they be detained or forcibly returned...The UN Treaty on Refugees plainly states this, the Politician is obfuscating the reality by not fully accepting that, whilst there are offences being committed in actuality, those offences can't be used under International Law against anyone seeking asylum...which is, I believe the most important and cogent part of the argument he is attempting to refute...
 
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Technically he's correct I would say, they are trying to enter the UK 'illegally' but...that can't be used against them, nor can they be detained or forcibly returned...The UN Treaty on Refugees plainly states this, the Politician is obfuscating the reality by not fully accepting that the offences, whilst they are being committed in actuality, can't be used against anyone seeking asylum...which is, I believe the most important and cogent part of the argument he is trying to refute...

The peanut gallery refuse to accept the magic words, ’I claim asylum’ renders any technical offence moot and void.
 
The peanut gallery refuse to accept the magic words, ’I claim asylum’ renders any technical offence moot and void.
I totally agree, the idea that someone who travels half way across the globe for the possibility of dignity and safety is a threat to that society, is so degraded that they are ripe for the Fascist elements to co-opt into another attempt at racial purity of the Englander Volkischer (apologies for the poor Germanics but you get the point)...A return to a stylised and romanticised 'England' that never really existed is a dangerous road to go down but easily sold to those without hope, captured by Wiemarism for want of a better word I think...
 
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Oh! . . . F.F.S. . . . Another TROLL, posing inane hypothetical questions :( .

Just what the thread did NOT need :( .
Can't cope with a divergent view, can you?
Tow them back to Calais harbour (other ports are available), and disable the engine; of leave them within wading distance of the French beach, and disable the engine . . . rinse and repeat . . .

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In you Alt universe that might happen but the UK citizens doing that would be breaking the law.
 

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