The UK/European migrant problem

I propose nothing.. not our problem.. stop asking stupid questions..
There isn't anything 'stupid' about it, once aboard a British vessel they have to be given permission by the authorities in a 'Foreign' country France in this case, if they refuse then the British vessel must leave with them on board and return to the UK, where as it is a 'Crown' vessel means the UK has accepted responsibility for them and they have no option but to allow entry to the UK. What happens after that is immaterial but they can only be taken back to France and landed, if the French allow them. As they in all probability will not want them, my questions where an attempt to elicit an answer that made some sort of sense...
 
There isn't anything 'stupid' about it, once aboard a British vessel they have to be given permission by the authorities in a 'Foreign' country France in this case, if they refuse then the British vessel must leave with them on board and return to the UK, where as it is a 'Crown' vessel means the UK has accepted responsibility for them and they have no option but to allow entry to the UK. What happens after that is immaterial but they can only be taken back to France and landed, if the French allow them. As they in all probability will not want them, my questions where an attempt to elicit an answer that made some sort of sense..
So how do you know this fella?
 

anglo

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As the 'French' border starts in Greece, I believe that is the extent of the Schengen area?, then they have NO powers to prevent free movement throughout Europe, unless they commit a crime. If they wish to come to the UK, as is their right under the 1951/67 UN Treaty, then there is no reason for any EU country to 'detain' them in their journey/quest...There is no simple answer, to a problem that was created by our forebears and surely should be solved by common ethical systems...oh no! there I go again getting all Socialistic and Marxisty...damn!!
The Schengen area only gives right of free movement to citizens of Schengen area,
Immigrants, wanting asylum, should apply for it in the first country they land in,
but nobody abides by that law now, they can travel to their country of choice,
God know why they want to come to the UK, the place being full of racists,
according to the UN,
Mind you, if they can get ashore in the UK, they know they will never get thrown out,
 
No, once you put to sea in an unseaworthy craft, you are in danger.

There is no exemption in SOLAS to allow ignoring the need to rescue people using unsafe or unsuitable craft.

The moment they are a couple of hundred metres from the shore, the migrants are breaching the French regulations for inshore navigation, concerning vessel insurance, safety-equipment, training of the skipper etc. There is ample reason for the French authorities to take them straight back to land for a court session and a chunky fine. Not doing so is a political decision, not a marine safety one else there would be a lot fewer boats being escorted in any direction except back to France. SOLAS is simply a figleaf to hide behind so that unpopular decisions can be avoided.
 
The Schengen area only gives right of free movement to citizens of Schengen area,
Immigrants, wanting asylum, should apply for it in the first country they land in,
but nobody abides by that law now, they can travel to their country of choice,
God know why they want to come to the UK, the place being full of racists,
according to the UN,
Mind you, if they can get ashore in the UK, they know they will never get thrown out,
That was what I said ,as the Schengen area border starts in Greece I believe and as per the UN Treaty for Refugees they are free to choose which country they wish to seek asylum in. There is no requirement to register and claim in the first country you enter. Once in the EU which for all intents and purpose is one huge country, then they can travel freely to the UK, the EU cannot prevent them.
 

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That was what I said ,as the Schengen area border starts in Greece I believe and as per the UN Treaty for Refugees they are free to choose which country they wish to seek asylum in. There is no requirement to register and claim in the first country you enter. Once in the EU which for all intents and purpose is one huge country, then they can travel freely to the UK, the EU cannot prevent them.
There was no Schengen in 1951, so it still stands muppet
We are not in the Schengen.
 
The moment they are a couple of hundred metres from the shore, the migrants are breaching the French regulations for inshore navigation, concerning vessel insurance, safety-equipment, training of the skipper etc. There is ample reason for the French authorities to take them straight back to land for a court session and a chunky fine. Not doing so is a political decision, not a marine safety one else there would be a lot fewer boats being escorted in any direction except back to France. SOLAS is simply a figleaf to hide behind so that unpopular decisions can be avoided.
Ahh now that I didn't know...the only problem I see is how exactly do the French authorities prevent them putting to sea? Unless they deploy significant numbers on the ground, its quite a large area to keep under constant watch I would have thought, then once in/on the water they would be technically difficult to deal with safely?...
 

Revealed: How more than 2,000 UK-bound migrants have dispersed from Calais into small groups and gone into hiding in sand dunes and woodland along 100 miles of French coast to evade police​


 
There was no Schengen in 1951, so it still stands muppet
We are not in the Schengen.
The 1951/67 UN Treaty was ratified by the UK at the time, when the EU was created it was ratified in EU Law... It has NOTHING, ZERO,ZILCH to do with Schegen... Anyone wishing to claim Asylum can do so in ANY country they choose '
'The Convention is both a status and rights-based instrument and is underpinned by a number of fundamental principles, most notably non-discrimination, non-penalization and non-refoulement. Convention provisions, for example, are to be applied without discrimination as to race, religion or country of origin. Developments in international human rights law also reinforce the principle that the Convention be applied without discrimination as to sex, age, disability, sexuality, or other prohibited grounds of discrimination. The Convention further stipulates that, subject to specific exceptions, refugees should not be penalized for their illegal entry or stay. This recognizes that the seeking of asylum can require refugees to breach immigration rules. Prohibited penalties might include being charged with immigration or criminal offences relating to the seeking of asylum, or being arbitrarily detained purely on the basis of seeking asylum. Importantly, the Convention contains various safeguards against the expulsion of refugees. The principle of nonrefoulement is so fundamental that no reservations or derogations may be made to it. It provides that no one shall expel or return (“refouler”) a refugee against his or her will, in any manner whatsoever, to a territory where he or she fears threats to life or freedom.'
Wether we like it or not International Laws, that the UK helped draw up, prevent all those things and more. Attached is the full document from the UN website...As I've already said, it displays a lack of coherent and intelligent thought to default to insults... Ask mummy if the big words are difficult to read in the document perhaps...
 

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As these 'displaced' people have committed no crime . . . .

@Snowy. has already posted in answer to your previous . . .

"The migrants have committed two crimes, which was stated in parliament when Priti got a grilling . . .

+ First crime is paying money to organised crime and

+ the second is trying to enter the UK illegally . . .

both of which provide legal grounds for the migrant boats to be intercepted and returned to France".

The migrants have committed two crimes, which was stated in parliemant when Priti got a grilling... First crime is paying money to organised crime and the second is trying to enter the UK illegally.. both of which provide legal grounds for the migrant boats to be intercepted and returned to France..
 
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But they are aboard a 'foreign' vessel so have no right to 'land' unless accepted by the French authorities...
How is it not 'our problem' if the French will not 'receive' them then what do you propose?
Oh! . . . F.F.S. . . . Another TROLL, posing inane hypothetical questions :( .

Just what the thread did NOT need :( .
 

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@Snowy. has already posted in answer to yuor previous . . .

"The migrants have committed two crimes, which was stated in parliemant when Priti got a grilling . . .

+ First crime is paying money to organised crime and
+ the second is trying to enter the UK illegally . .

both of which provide legal grounds for the migrant boats to be intercepted and returned to France".
France has to agree to accept them back, which is also their legal right.

It's a shot sandwich of our own making in the majority of cases, if instead the illegals spunked up $20,000-30,000 on a trip via Europe to the Uk, they could claim republic of Ireland nationality, which requires a tenuous link, costs between €750-1250, get the passport travel legally to Eire, then bobs your uncle, free access to the UK.
Eire give out passports like sweet.
 

anglo

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That was what I said ,as the Schengen area border starts in Greece I believe and as per the UN Treaty for Refugees they are free to choose which country they wish to seek asylum in. There is no requirement to register and claim in the first country you enter. Once in the EU which for all intents and purpose is one huge country, then they can travel freely to the UK, the EU cannot prevent them.
How long can a non EU citizen stay in the EU?
90 days
If you're a tourist, you do not need a visa for short trips to EU countries, Switzerland, Norway, Iceland or Liechtenstein. You can stay for up to 90 days in any 180 day period

To avoid abuses, European law, the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in, and that the decision of the first EU country they apply in, is the final decision in all EU countries.

How many coming to the UK can be classed as Refugees, if you use the definition of a refugee
a lot of them can't claim Refugee status
 

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The migrants have committed two crimes, which was stated in parliemant when Priti got a grilling... First crime is paying money to organised crime and the second is trying to enter the UK illegally.. both of which provide legal grounds for the migrant boats to be intercepted and returned to France..

Neither are criminal offences Steve.
 

PhotEx

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@Snowy. has already posted in answer to your previous . . .

"The migrants have committed two crimes, which was stated in parliament when Priti got a grilling . . .

+ First crime is paying money to organised crime and

+ the second is trying to enter the UK illegally . . .

both of which provide legal grounds for the migrant boats to be intercepted and returned to France".

The plastic Pole is wrong, but do carry on
 

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Revealed: How more than 2,000 UK-bound migrants have dispersed from Calais into small groups and gone into hiding in sand dunes and woodland along 100 miles of French coast to evade police​



“…..mainly from Iran, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan…”

I wonder why?
 
France has to agree to accept them back, which is also their legal right . . .
Tow them back to Calais harbour (other ports are available), and disable the engine; of leave them within wading distance of the French beach, and disable the engine . . . rinse and repeat . . .

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“…..mainly from Iran, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan…”

I wonder why?
Because those countries won't take back, especially without a passport
 

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