The UK/European migrant problem

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I'm not up to speed on SOLAS and have no intention of hitting google

But does SOLAS not apply to legitimate seafarers rather than illegal aliens, committing illegal acts, by paying illegal people smugglers in an attempt to illegally enter a Country ?

No, SOLAS applies to anyone at sea, even people in pedalos and makeshift rafts.
 

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No, SOLAS applies to anyone at sea, even people in pedalos and makeshift rafts.


Do you have a link?

I think the OP has a point SOLAS (1974) Is a about the construction of maritime vessels and what safety equipment and number of waterproof compartments, lifeboats etc
It doesn't say anything about rescuing people it's to do with the regulation of proper merchant ships not chancers in rubber dinghy's
 

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Do you have a link?

I think the OP has a point SOLAS (1974) Is a about the construction of maritime vessels and what safety equipment and number of waterproof compartments, lifeboats etc
It doesn't say anything about rescuing people it's to do with the regulation of proper merchant ships not chancers in rubber dinghy's

SOLAS has a number of added annexes that specifically cite migrants.

1974 International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea; and 1979 International Convention on Maritime Search and Rescue. Amendments were adopted in May 2004. They entered into force on 1 July 2006.

As recognized in the Guidelines on the Treatment of Persons Rescued at Sea, the Government responsible for the SAR region in which the rescued persons were recovered is primarily responsible for providing a place of safety or ensuring that such a place of safety is provided.

As well as Rescue Coordination Centres (RCC) and other State agencies and services, State-controlled vessels (such as coastguard vessels and warships) have direct obligations under international refugee law (notably, the obligation not to engage in or allow refoulement) which bear upon their obligations under international maritime law.
 

Meanwhile, as we are all being skilfully distracted by small boats, lorries, containers and other methods of concealment carry on.
Quite obviously we have now passed by the prediction made way back in 2015 as below and the country is getting more overcrowded by unknown numbers of people about whom we know nothing.

 

endure

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I'm not up to speed on SOLAS and have no intention of hitting google

But does SOLAS not apply to legitimate seafarers rather than illegal aliens, committing illegal acts, by paying illegal people smugglers in an attempt to illegally enter a Country ?
It applies to everybody.

"The master of a ship at sea which is in a position to be able to provide assistance on receiving information from any source that persons are in distress at sea, is bound to proceed with all speed to their assistance, if possible informing them or the search and rescue service that the ship is doing so. This obligation to provide assistance applies regardless of the nationality or status of such persons or the circumstances in which they are found. If the ship receiving the distress alert is unable or, in the special circumstances of the case, considers it unreasonable or unnecessary to proceed to their assistance, the master must enter in the log-book the reason for failing to proceed to the assistance of the persons in distress, taking into account the recommendation of the Organization, to inform the appropriate search and rescue service accordingly."
 

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Then those annexes should be hoofed as not being fit for purpose.

SOLAS covers merchant vessels and merchant seamen - Not criminals claiming to be migrants.



Nope, SOLAS covers everyone in distress at sea, without exception.

Failure to comply with SOLAS provisions will get you a mandatory very stiff fine, endorsement or revocation of your Ticket, and/or jail time. And that includes the Officers responsible, the ships Master and the owners.
 
The way to stop this is to make sure that illegal entry inevitably results in return to point of origin. At the moment it's too easy for the yooman rights industry to tie the system up in knots / appeals etc to prevent removal. That's part of what Patels latest Bill is all about. That hopefully includes a clause that no identification / documentation results in instant presumption of removal.

But - this isn't going to get fixed in a hurry. There are entire industries (legal and illegal) that make money out of this and they will fight tooth and nail to resist. The HO is in an invidious position - it is responsible for preventing illegal entry (Border Force), repatriation (Immigration and enforcement) and yet at the same time it is responsible for ensuring that any illegals detained are treated in accordance with their yooman rights. Result - the organisation will tie itself in knots trying to face both ways. So instead of holding any migrants in secure accommodation (eg unused barracks), they now have to put them up in hotels - at which point it costs a fortune and the illegals often wander off.

The only way to fix this is to ensure that illegal entry equals inevitable removal / deportation, either to country of origin - or if docs ditched, back to France. Not easy - but the French are equally vexed by this. They have illegals camping all along the channel coast with associated crime / security implications. Making it go away is in their interests too - but see above for conditions needed.
 
The Police haven’t thought this through….

W.T.F. . . . just goes to show, you don't have to be that intelligent, to work for the National Crime Agency . . . or . . . the police . . . !!


Published by: By Jack Walters, The EXPRESS, on Wedneday 28 July2021.

Channel crossings: Police buy up small boats in bid to stem flow of migrants from France.

THE POLICE are purchasing small vessels in an attempt to deny gangs pushing migrants across the Channel access to their usual supply of small boats.


The new tactic has been used by officers as part of a series of measures introduced to disrupt the supply of boats for people-smuggling gangs, The Telegraph has revealed. Officers hope their purchases will deny gangs access to boats both by inflating prices and reducing supply.

A source told The Telegraph: "We have a number of tools and tactics available to us, but certainly consideration around disrupting the supply chain covers all areas including buying boats and other methods of disruption.”

“We’re doing some operational activity with our international partners around the larger boats to see what we can do in terms of disrupting some of the supply chain,” the source added.

The National Crime Agency has claimed the demand for small boats is so high that organised gangs are buying them in the UK before selling them to traffickers on the other side of the Channel.

In one incident in April, a gang had transported rigid hull inflatable boats from the UK to the Netherlands before being supplied to people smugglers in northern France and Belgium.

Members of the gang were subsequently arrested.

Afterwards, Jacque Beer, the NCA Regional Head of Investigation, said: "In our view, those who supply them with boats knowing what they are going to be used for are equally as culpable in these criminal enterprises."

French police have already seized and destroyed 500 boats this year.

Nonetheless, over 9,250 migrants have made the deadly 21-mile trip from Calais to Dover in 2021.

July has witnessed a record number of migrants embarking on the journey, with 3,349 crossing the Channel on 112 boats.

Earlier this year, the National Crime Agency issued a warning to companies in Britain’s maritime industry that organised criminals could target their services for the purpose of smuggling migrants across the Channel.

A spokesman from the National Crime Agency said: "The NCA has a number of investigations actively targeting groups involved in this type of criminality, or activity which facilitates it, for example through the supply of boats and engines or the laundering of profits.

"However, much of the criminality involved lies outside the UK, so we have built up our intelligence-sharing effort with law enforcement partners in France, Belgium and beyond. This includes having NCA officers based in those countries, sharing intelligence and working side by side on joint investigations."

Warning signs for those in the maritime industry include urgency from the buyer in purchasing and collecting the items, lack of concern about the condition of the boat, offers of large amounts of cash and unusual combinations of goods placed in an order.

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[photo: Police cause ‘disruption’ to Channel crossing gangs' supply chain by buying up small boats. (Image: Getty) ].

 

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W.T.F. . . . . . . !!

Published by: By Jack Walters, The TELEGRAPH, on Wedneday 28 July2021.

Channel crossings: Police buy up small boats in bid to stem flow of migrants from France.

THE POLICE are purchasing small vessels in an attempt to deny gangs pushing migrants across the Channel access to their usual supply of small boats.


The new tactic has been used by officers as part of a series of measures introduced to disrupt the supply of boats for people-smuggling gangs, The Telegraph has revealed. Officers hope their purchases will deny gangs access to boats both by inflating prices and reducing supply.

A source told The Telegraph: "We have a number of tools and tactics available to us, but certainly consideration around disrupting the supply chain covers all areas including buying boats and other methods of disruption.”

“We’re doing some operational activity with our international partners around the larger boats to see what we can do in terms of disrupting some of the supply chain,” the source added.

The National Crime Agency has claimed the demand for small boats is so high that organised gangs are buying them in the UK before selling them to traffickers on the other side of the Channel.

In one incident in April, a gang had transported rigid hull inflatable boats from the UK to the Netherlands before being supplied to people smugglers in northern France and Belgium.

Members of the gang were subsequently arrested.

Afterwards, Jacque Beer, the NCA Regional Head of Investigation, said: "In our view, those who supply them with boats knowing what they are going to be used for are equally as culpable in these criminal enterprises."

French police have already seized and destroyed 500 boats this year.

Nonetheless, over 9,250 migrants have made the deadly 21-mile trip from Calais to Dover in 2021.

July has witnessed a record number of migrants embarking on the journey, with 3,349 crossing the Channel on 112 boats.

Earlier this year, the National Crime Agency issued a warning to companies in Britain’s maritime industry that organised criminals could target their services for the purpose of smuggling migrants across the Channel.

A spokesman from the National Crime Agency said: "The NCA has a number of investigations actively targeting groups involved in this type of criminality, or activity which facilitates it, for example through the supply of boats and engines or the laundering of profits.

"However, much of the criminality involved lies outside the UK, so we have built up our intelligence-sharing effort with law enforcement partners in France, Belgium and beyond. This includes having NCA officers based in those countries, sharing intelligence and working side by side on joint investigations."

Warning signs for those in the maritime industry include urgency from the buyer in purchasing and collecting the items, lack of concern about the condition of the boat, offers of large amounts of cash and unusual combinations of goods placed in an order.

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[photo: Police cause ‘disruption’ to Channel crossing gangs' supply chain by buying up small boats. (Image: Getty) ].


It clearly hasn’t occurred to the Farces of Law And Disorder that a reduction in supply will simply increase demand, which will increase retail prices, which will encourage makers to increase production.
 

bestri10

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W.T.F. . . . just goes to show, you don't have to be that intelligent, to work for the National Crime Agency . . . or . . . the police . . . !!


Published by: By Jack Walters, The EXPRESS, on Wedneday 28 July2021.

Channel crossings: Police buy up small boats in bid to stem flow of migrants from France.

THE POLICE are purchasing small vessels in an attempt to deny gangs pushing migrants across the Channel access to their usual supply of small boats.


The new tactic has been used by officers as part of a series of measures introduced to disrupt the supply of boats for people-smuggling gangs, The Telegraph has revealed. Officers hope their purchases will deny gangs access to boats both by inflating prices and reducing supply.

A source told The Telegraph: "We have a number of tools and tactics available to us, but certainly consideration around disrupting the supply chain covers all areas including buying boats and other methods of disruption.”

“We’re doing some operational activity with our international partners around the larger boats to see what we can do in terms of disrupting some of the supply chain,” the source added.

The National Crime Agency has claimed the demand for small boats is so high that organised gangs are buying them in the UK before selling them to traffickers on the other side of the Channel.

In one incident in April, a gang had transported rigid hull inflatable boats from the UK to the Netherlands before being supplied to people smugglers in northern France and Belgium.

Members of the gang were subsequently arrested.

Afterwards, Jacque Beer, the NCA Regional Head of Investigation, said: "In our view, those who supply them with boats knowing what they are going to be used for are equally as culpable in these criminal enterprises."

French police have already seized and destroyed 500 boats this year.

Nonetheless, over 9,250 migrants have made the deadly 21-mile trip from Calais to Dover in 2021.

July has witnessed a record number of migrants embarking on the journey, with 3,349 crossing the Channel on 112 boats.

Earlier this year, the National Crime Agency issued a warning to companies in Britain’s maritime industry that organised criminals could target their services for the purpose of smuggling migrants across the Channel.

A spokesman from the National Crime Agency said: "The NCA has a number of investigations actively targeting groups involved in this type of criminality, or activity which facilitates it, for example through the supply of boats and engines or the laundering of profits.

"However, much of the criminality involved lies outside the UK, so we have built up our intelligence-sharing effort with law enforcement partners in France, Belgium and beyond. This includes having NCA officers based in those countries, sharing intelligence and working side by side on joint investigations."

Warning signs for those in the maritime industry include urgency from the buyer in purchasing and collecting the items, lack of concern about the condition of the boat, offers of large amounts of cash and unusual combinations of goods placed in an order.

View attachment 592176
[photo: Police cause ‘disruption’ to Channel crossing gangs' supply chain by buying up small boats. (Image: Getty) ].

Do the police plan on trafficking the migrants themselves or something, what is purchasing boats going to do to stop migrants. It seems like a few shots fired into the side of the boats will be more effective.
 
ORIGINALLY published by: Matt Dathan, Home Affairs Editor, The TIMES, on Friday 30 April 2021 [THREE months ago].

People-smugglers posting deflated boats to France from the UK.

People smugglers are buying small boats in Britain, deflating them and sending them to France by courier to avoid confiscation, police chiefs have said.


The National Crime Agency said that crime groups were increasingly using rigid inflatable boats to take migrants across the Channel because they could deflate the vessels to fit in a suitcase, and smugglers were becoming more reliant on buying boats in the UK because of a campaign by the French and British authorities to cut off the supply of boats in northern France.

Yesterday the agency issued an alert to the British maritime industry, asking retailers to be extra vigilant for people smugglers trying to obtain small boats. Miles Bonfield, head of the agency’s organised immigration crime operations, said the government . . .

[DAMN PAYWALL . . .]

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[photo: A view of boats, used by people thought to be migrants, stored at a warehouse facility in Dover. GARETH FULLER/PA WIRE ].

 

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ORIGINALLY published by: Matt Dathan, Home Affairs Editor, The TIMES, on Friday 30 April 2021 [THREE months ago].

People-smugglers posting deflated boats to France from the UK.

People smugglers are buying small boats in Britain, deflating them and sending them to France by courier to avoid confiscation, police chiefs have said.


The National Crime Agency said that crime groups were increasingly using rigid inflatable boats to take migrants across the Channel because they could deflate the vessels to fit in a suitcase, and smugglers were becoming more reliant on buying boats in the UK because of a campaign by the French and British authorities to cut off the supply of boats in northern France.

Yesterday the agency issued an alert to the British maritime industry, asking retailers to be extra vigilant for people smugglers trying to obtain small boats. Miles Bonfield, head of the agency’s organised immigration crime operations, said the government . . .

[DAMN PAYWALL . . .]

View attachment 592185[photo: A view of boats, used by people thought to be migrants, stored at a warehouse facility in Dover. GARETH FULLER/PA WIRE ].



snort!

Complete with an outboard.
12 pax at £4K a head…. you do that math!



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Stan_Deesey

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It applies to everybody.

"The master of a ship at sea which is in a position to be able to provide assistance on receiving information from any source that persons are in distress at sea, is bound to proceed with all speed to their assistance, if possible informing them or the search and rescue service that the ship is doing so. This obligation to provide assistance applies regardless of the nationality or status of such persons or the circumstances in which they are found. If the ship receiving the distress alert is unable or, in the special circumstances of the case, considers it unreasonable or unnecessary to proceed to their assistance, the master must enter in the log-book the reason for failing to proceed to the assistance of the persons in distress, taking into account the recommendation of the Organization, to inform the appropriate search and rescue service accordingly."

It´s not just the SOLAS Agreements.

There is also the 1982 UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA (UNCLOS), as well as the 1979 INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION ON MARITIME SEARCH AND RESCUE (SAR CONVENTION).

Here´s a quote from that last one:
"(The convention), obliges State Parties to ‘… ensure that assistance [is] provided to any person in distress at sea … regardless of the nationality or status of such a person or the circumstances in which that person is found’ (Chapter 2.1.10) and to ‘… provide for their initial medical or other needs, and deliver them to a place of safety’ (Chapter 1.3.2)".

This is worth a read through:
 
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Nope, SOLAS covers everyone in distress at sea, without exception.

Failure to comply with SOLAS provisions will get you a mandatory very stiff fine, endorsement or revocation of your Ticket, and/or jail time. And that includes the Officers responsible, the ships Master and the owners.

quite right but that does not mean that we need to actually send boats out to find them ! - if you happen to be sailing along and see them fair enough but actively going across to take them off the hands of the french is not a solas requirement
 

Stan_Deesey

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quite right but that does not mean that we need to actually send boats out to find them ! - if you happen to be sailing along and see them fair enough but actively going across to take them off the hands of the french is not a solas requirement

The 1982 United Nations Convention on The Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) imposes an obligation on every coastal State Party to ‘… promote the establishment, operation and maintenance of an adequate and effective search and rescue service regarding safety on and over the sea and, where circumstances so require, by way of mutual regional arrangements co-operate with neighbouring States for this purpose’ (Article 98(2)).
 

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