The UK/European migrant problem

I know one former Italian POW who stayed here, but he was born here, he was visiting family in Italy from his home in Largs whne war broke out and he got drafted into the Italian forces.
He got captured quite early on in North Africa and was shipped to England, then put on a train north with blacked out windows, then taken with other Italians in a truck with the canvas firmly down by a circuitous route to their destination.
The truck was unloaded and in a fog they were lined up for a talk from the camp CO, while they were waiting the fog burned of and he exclaimed loudly in a broad Scottish Accent, "for ****'s sake we're in Greenock".

Edited to add I know swearing is not usually permitted in the IC, but was included for accuracy.
Seems to be the standard reaction to finding oneself in <shudder> Greenock
 
Published BY: BBC NEWS, on 13 August 2020.

EU settlement scheme: Two million granted full rights to stay.

Two million EU citizens living in the UK have been granted settled status - allowing them to remain here permanently after Brexit.


Another 4,600 applications were refused, 36,500 were withdrawn and 34,900 were made by people who are not eligible for the scheme.

In response to the figures, the Liberal Democrats called for EU citizens to be automatically given a right to stay.

They say there is a risk of "a new Windrush-style scandal."

The Windrush scandal meant some British citizens from Commonwealth countries were unable to prove their right to be in the UK, leaving them without work and access to benefits - and leading, in some cases, to people being wrongly deported.

The party says successful settlement scheme applicants should be given physical documented proof of their permanent leave to remain, to avoid them experiencing similar problems.

But the Home Office said an automatic system could lead to confusion and lead to EU citizens struggling to prove their status in years to come.

The figures also show that a further 1.5m people, who have been in the UK for less than five years, have been given pre-settled status.

They can apply for permanent residency when they pass the five year threshold. Both pre-settled status and settled status mean people can work, study, receive healthcare and access benefits and services as they do now.

'Windrush on steroids'


EU citizens have until 30 June 2021 to apply for the settlement scheme, which is operated by the Home Office. The scheme is designed to give EU citizens - who entered the UK under the terms of the EU's freedom of movement principle - the right to remain in the UK after Brexit.

Applicants have to prove they have already been living in the UK for five years (or less for pre-settled status). Downing St has said those who fail to apply by the deadline will not face automatic deportation.

However, those granted settled status do not receive any physical documentation as proof of status. The Home Office has previously said that successful applicants can print their digital confirmation letter, but this cannot be used as evidence of settled status.

The Liberal Democrats' home affairs spokeswoman Christine Jardine said millions of EU citizens in the UK have been "living under a cloud of uncertainty."

She said the figures for pre-settled status and rejected applications show the "scheme is anything but automatic."

"And without physical proof of their rights, EU citizens will be at the mercy of the Conservatives' hostile environment. They must not become the victims of a new Windrush-style scandal," she added.

The3million, a campaign group representing EU citizens in the UK, echoed the warning, citing the potential for a "Windrush on steroids" if EU citizens' right to remain is not "enshrined in legislation."

The Home Office said it understood the attraction of a physical document, but in the long-term these can expire or become invalid. Physical documents can also be lost, stolen or tampered with, it said, adding that people already use digital services for banking, accessing benefits and paying taxes.

Immigration minister Kevin Foster said EU citizens were an "integral part of UK society" and 3.5 million had already secured their rights in UK law.

He said there is "plenty of time left to apply" before the deadline, adding that there is "a wide range of support is available online, over the telephone and in person if you need it.

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Published BY: BBC NEWS, on 13 August 2020.

EU settlement scheme: Two million granted full rights to stay.

Two million EU citizens living in the UK have been granted settled status - allowing them to remain here permanently after Brexit.


Another 4,600 applications were refused, 36,500 were withdrawn and 34,900 were made by people who are not eligible for the scheme.

In response to the figures, the Liberal Democrats called for EU citizens to be automatically given a right to stay.

They say there is a risk of "a new Windrush-style scandal."

The Windrush scandal meant some British citizens from Commonwealth countries were unable to prove their right to be in the UK, leaving them without work and access to benefits - and leading, in some cases, to people being wrongly deported.

The party says successful settlement scheme applicants should be given physical documented proof of their permanent leave to remain, to avoid them experiencing similar problems.

But the Home Office said an automatic system could lead to confusion and lead to EU citizens struggling to prove their status in years to come.

The figures also show that a further 1.5m people, who have been in the UK for less than five years, have been given pre-settled status.

They can apply for permanent residency when they pass the five year threshold. Both pre-settled status and settled status mean people can work, study, receive healthcare and access benefits and services as they do now.

'Windrush on steroids'


EU citizens have until 30 June 2021 to apply for the settlement scheme, which is operated by the Home Office. The scheme is designed to give EU citizens - who entered the UK under the terms of the EU's freedom of movement principle - the right to remain in the UK after Brexit.

Applicants have to prove they have already been living in the UK for five years (or less for pre-settled status). Downing St has said those who fail to apply by the deadline will not face automatic deportation.

However, those granted settled status do not receive any physical documentation as proof of status. The Home Office has previously said that successful applicants can print their digital confirmation letter, but this cannot be used as evidence of settled status.

The Liberal Democrats' home affairs spokeswoman Christine Jardine said millions of EU citizens in the UK have been "living under a cloud of uncertainty."

She said the figures for pre-settled status and rejected applications show the "scheme is anything but automatic."

"And without physical proof of their rights, EU citizens will be at the mercy of the Conservatives' hostile environment. They must not become the victims of a new Windrush-style scandal," she added.

The3million, a campaign group representing EU citizens in the UK, echoed the warning, citing the potential for a "Windrush on steroids" if EU citizens' right to remain is not "enshrined in legislation."

The Home Office said it understood the attraction of a physical document, but in the long-term these can expire or become invalid. Physical documents can also be lost, stolen or tampered with, it said, adding that people already use digital services for banking, accessing benefits and paying taxes.

Immigration minister Kevin Foster said EU citizens were an "integral part of UK society" and 3.5 million had already secured their rights in UK law.

He said there is "plenty of time left to apply" before the deadline, adding that there is "a wide range of support is available online, over the telephone and in person if you need it.

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Good for them.
 

Dafty duck

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Democracy is a funny thing, you can be convinced for years to hold your nose and vote for parties who you fundamentally disagree with. But the alternatives, are generally called by the media horrid names which you don't wish to be associated with and it does work as a political strategy and has kept the migration train running.

The wrinkle in the matrix comes, when parties begin to coalesce around a less horrid platform and those parties begin to squeeze the middle at a far faster rate and make no mistake, that process is underway across europe and the mainstream parties are then pushed rightward, in words.

I expect Covid to have had a massive impact on attitudes and at some point, words start to sound hollow and that is when things really do spiral, as in the early 30s. Because Hitler/Mussolini/Stalin didn't win power, they're were handed it out of desperation to keep the old system rolling and that translates to migration, where the words are seriously starting to sound hollow and the UK exit from the EU starts to close somewhat one destination.
Something is going to happen eventually. This illegal immigration problem along with other absurd leftist/Marxist/communist ideals such as BLM, cancel culture, the Labour party etc. is already prodding a sizeable percentage of centrists over to the right. There will come enough when that number has reached critical mass that people say enough is enough.
 
Something is going to happen eventually. This illegal immigration problem along with other absurd leftist/Marxist/communist ideals such as BLM, cancel culture, the Labour party etc. is already prodding a sizeable percentage of centrists over to the right. There will come enough when that number has reached critical mass that people say enough is enough.
I don't agree with your conclusions, but you accept the working hypthesis..... Take a look at South Korea, where the far left/communists who support unification, are banned from standing in elections and if/when parties take an increasing eurosceptic tone in future years, I could see a gradual adopting of a new wokeish commandment/hate speech law to remove representation.
 
I don't agree with your conclusions, but you accept the working hypthesis..... Take a look at South Korea, where the far left/communists who support unification, are banned from standing in elections and if/when parties take an increasing eurosceptic tone in future years, I could see a gradual adopting of a new wokeish commandment/hate speech law to remove representation.
At the GE Corbyn was muttering about an investigation into the far right, obviously to lead up to ban all so called groups, then the defenition would be broadened to include everything to the right of left?
 
The question of immigration comes up a lot on Question Time. I remember on one occasion, maybe about 5 years ago, someone on the panel made the suggestion that’s we shouldn’t worry about out the numbers coming here, we should instead build the infrastructure to accommodate them.
Ok then mate, let’s just turn our fields and countryside into housing estates.
With leftist attitudes like this on immigration, no wonder the country is where it is.
Some people just seem blind about immigration.
 
Only 2% of England is built on.
Can I be as bold to suggest that it stays like that? We cannot house the entire ******* world, and nor should we be expected to.
 
Compared to what percentage for other countries?

No idea the veracity of the site but it seems pretty comprehensive.

Seems the UK is quite high up, oddly enough - about twice the EU average

well, being as how many EU countries are significantly bigger with similar or smaller populations.
 

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Immigration Act 1971


Assisting unlawful immigration to member State
(1)A person commits an offence if he—

(a)does an act which facilitates the commission of a breach [F2or attempted breach] of immigration law by an individual who is not a citizen of the European Union,

(b)knows or has reasonable cause for believing that the act facilitates the commission of a breach [F2or attempted breach] of immigration law by the individual, and

(c)knows or has reasonable cause for believing that the individual is not a citizen of the European Union.

(2)In subsection (1) “immigration law” means a law which has effect in a member State and which controls, in respect of some or all persons who are not nationals of the State, entitlement to—

(a)enter the State,

(b)transit across the State, or

(c)be in the State.

(3)A document issued by the government of a member State certifying a matter of law in that State—

(a)shall be admissible in proceedings for an offence under this section, and

(b)shall be conclusive as to the matter certified.

[F3(4)Subsection (1) applies to things done whether inside or outside the United Kingdom.]

(6)A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable—

(a)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years, to a fine or to both, or

(b)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or to both.]
5 or 6 prosecutions, with a 14 year jail term, for the traitors within the civil service and Border Force and problem solved, job jobbed.
 
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