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The UK/European migrant problem

Immigration questions.

How many Yazidis did we save from attempted genocide? (Not enough).
How many iphone toting, face shielding IS fanatics did we allow in? (One was too many).
How many convicted violent criminals were we allegedly compelled to allow in? (One was too many).
Can archbishops tell the difference?

Hypothetical question.

Freedom of speech, thought and belief are under assault. These are things that were highly valued by others who fled here for freedom from persecution, torture and murder. If the UK or an SNP Scotland for that matter, were to become hostile to your freedoms, where would you consider fleeing to for asylum?

I accept that some of the answers may be quite ironic given recent history (Say within the last 150 years?)
 
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Sorry looking bunch, probably fully paid up to CND, Extinction, local Hunt Sabs, Badger watch, militant vegi's, numerous uman wights groups and any Saturday rent a mob you can find.
It's worse than that Jim, they're... bell ringers. They're like a pacifist-militant Marxist offshoot of morris dancers.
 
. . . . It seems we're going to use the Royal Navy to push migrants back. I can't see that working. All they have to do is fall into the water without a life jacket and then we either let them die or pick them up. The lefties and press would have a field day if we had migrant blood on our hands.
Published by: Diane Taylor, The GUARDIAN, on Friday 07 Aug 2020

UK plan to use navy to stop migrant crossings is unlawful, lawyers warn . . .
( . . . THIS IS FROM A GUARDIAN HEADLINE WRITER)

Home secretary tells MPs she obtained legal advice that sending in the navy would be permitted.
Priti Patel’s plans to use the navy to tackle the growing number of migrants crossing the Channel from northern France would be unlawful and dangerous, lawyers have warned.

( . . . THIS IS FROM A GUARDIAN HEADLINE WRITER)

Thursday was a record day for small boat crossings, with 235 people identified in 17 separate incidents. On Friday, more than 130 arrived aboard 13 boats. More than 2,000 people are said to have entered the country by this route in June – more than four times the known total of 500 for the whole of 2018.

The home secretary told MPs she obtained legal advice that sending in the navy would be permitted under international maritime law. But one Ministry of Defence source told PA Media it was a “completely potty” idea. The French government has already told Britain it believes the move to be illegal.

The UK Border Force has a fleet of five cutters and six coastal patrol vessels. If Patel’s proposals are implemented it is unlikely that navy boats would have any different powers from the current Home Office fleet. The navy is understood to have three offshore patrol vessels which are currently deployed on fishing patrol duties.

Bella Sankey, a qualified barrister and director of Detention Action said: “The home secretary’s hysterical plea to the navy is as irresponsible as it is ironic. Pushbacks at sea are unlawful and would threaten human lives.
“No civilised country can even consider this, let alone a country with a tradition of offering sanctuary to those fleeing persecution. Our armed forces defeated nazism and paid in blood for the refugee convention signed after the horrors of the second world war – as if our military could be deployed to frustrate its central objective.”

Immigration barrister Colin Yeo, author of Welcome To Britain: Fixing Our Broken Immigration System, said: “The Royal Navy cannot simply enter French waters without an agreement to return migrants crossing the Channel.

“The French authorities would need to agree to accept any returns and because of the variety of hard Brexit sought by the UK government, the current returns arrangement, called the Dublin regulation, is ending on 31 December 2020, with no sign of any replacement being negotiated. It will become harder to return migrants to France in 2021, not easier.”

Dr Maurice Stierl, migration researcher at the University of Warwick with extensive experience of the situation for migrant boats in the Mediterranean, said the English Channel crossings are extremely dangerous journeys, not least due to strong currents and the intense maritime traffic along the routes.

“Given that migrants often travel on small and unstable boats and are very inexperienced at sea, everything has to be done to guarantee their safety and immediate rescue, which is also an obligation under maritime laws and conventions.

“The measures proposed by home secretary Patel do the opposite – if enacted they would delay rescues and endanger vulnerable migrants seeking protection. The home secretary appears to have been inspired by mass push-back operations in the Mediterranean Sea, where migrants are routinely forced back and prevented from reaching Europe, in breach of maritime laws and human rights conventions. Lives have been lost in consequence and enacting similar deterrence measures in the Channel could have similarly disastrous consequences.”

MPs on the home affairs select committee have announced an inquiry into the rise in migrants crossing the Channel in small boats, the role of criminal gangs and the response of the English and French authorities.

After publication, a Home Office spokesperson said: “We are returning migrants who have no legal right to be in the UK. They have illegally crossed the Channel when they have no need and no right to leave mainland Europe.

“The flight is a very strong signal to anyone attempting to cross that you are wasting your time and will be returned. Further flights are planned in the coming weeks and months.”

The French embassy has been approached for comment.

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[photo] A Border Force officer escorts a young family thought to be migrants from a Border Force vessel after they were brought into Dover, Kent.

 
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The only thing the Andrew will be used for will be to bolster the Trip Advisor reviews for the Thanet Raddison.
 
Our armed forces defeated nazism and paid in blood for the refugee convention signed after the horrors of the second world war – as if our military could be deployed to frustrate its central objective.”
And all those old veterans, when they were still alive, would be the first to say "Deport the f*ckers".
 
. . . . It seems we're going to use the Royal Navy to push migrants back. I can't see that working. All they have to do is fall into the water without a life jacket and then we either let them die or pick them up. The lefties and press would have a field day if we had migrant blood on our hands.
Published by: Philip Whiteside, international news reporter, and Rob Powell, political correspondent, SKY NEWS, on Saturday 8 August 2020.

Royal Navy weighing up Home Office request for support as dozens more migrants intercepted.

Minister Nick Gibb tells Sky News the government is determined to stop the illegal route across the Channel into Britain.


Royal Navy chiefs are considering a formal request for support to deal with migrants attempting to cross the Channel in small boats, amid a rise in incidents.

The government has said it plans to make the route from France to the UK "unviable" as the Times newspaper reported that ministers were considering a so-called "push back" approach where UK ships would stop migrant vessels leaving French waters.

Privately, government sources acknowledge that it would be difficult legally to make any physical interventions given the risk of capsizing the often unstable boats. ( RCT(V) edit . . . W.T.F. ?! )

But one source said the idea of a "passive blockade" in the Channel to discourage people from making the journey from France was being looked at.

Any form of blockade in Channel would likely be high controversial and fraught with legal and ethical issues.
The Ministry of Defence said on Saturday it was "working hard to identify how we can most effectively assist" after receiving a request under the military aid to the civilian authorities protocol (MACA).

A boat carrying 14 people - including two pregnant women and a child - arrived on shore at Kingsdown in Kent on Saturday morning, an eyewitness told Sky News, after another dinghy with 12 people on board was filmed being intercepted by a Border Force patrol vessel.

Sky News has also been told there was another vessel in the Channel carrying 19 people and a migrant in a wheelchair was among those seen being brought ashore at Dover.

There have already been record-breaking numbers of migrants arriving in the UK on small boats in the last few days.

Recent calmer weather in the Channel area has prompted a surge in people making the journey.
Sky News correspondent Enda Brady said one vessel appeared to have evaded Border Force patrols at sea and arrived on shore at Kingsdown on Saturday morning.

A woman who was at the shore said 14 people, including two pregnant women and a child, were on board the boat.

She told Sky News: "A pregnant lady had to be assisted off by the ambulance service to go to hospital because she was clearly about to give birth.

"It was a mad show… I've never seen anything like that in my time.

"It was literally just random and just popped up on shore…. All the border patrol and the coastguard were coming down at the same time because they caught them all at the same time when they got in."
The migrants were brought ashore at Dover just a few hundred metres away from where dozens of beachgoers were sunbathing in the 33C heat of the South Coast.

In French waters, authorities said they rescued at least 33 migrants and brought them back to Calais.

Schools minister Nick Gibb told Sky News the government wants to make the route "unviable".

"We're talking to French ministers about preventing people leaving France in the first place, and then finding other ways of making sure that we return boats to France when they're trying to make what is a very dangerous crossing," said Mr Gibb.

"France is a safe country, and if people are seeking asylum, they should be seeking asylum in France in the first instance."

Nick Gibb says France is a safe country for asylum.

But government plans to "push back" migrant boats were criticised. ( RCT(V) edit . . . Arrrgh !! )

Former Labour home and foreign secretary Jack Straw told BBC Radio 4: "I don't think that just trying to push these people back is going to work and it will only take one of these dinghies to capsize and everybody to drown, which is perfectly feasible, for there to be a hullabaloo, including in the Conservative Party, and for the policy to have to be reversed, so I wouldn't go down that route."

Human rights barrister Sangeetha Iengar added: "Under refugee law, every person who enters a territory - which extends to 12 nautical miles from the coastline - is entitled to claim asylum. And on the other hand, under international maritime law, all captains of all vessels have a duty to help persons from vessels in distress.

"So if the proposal is for the Royal Navy to suddenly engage in pushing back or expelling migrants, I cannot see how that can be lawful."

Britain wants Paris to intervene to stop more small vessels heading to England and take them back to French ports, rather than shepherding them onward until they reach British waters.

Immigration minister Chris Philp will meet his counterparts from France next week as he seeks to eventually shut down the Calais-to-Britain route.

He also wants migrants caught trying to cross the Channel to be fingerprinted and face "real consequences".
Mr Gibb's comments came after Kent County Council (KCC) said that 400 migrant children had been taken into its care this year, including 60 in the first week of August, with 23 arriving on Friday alone.

KCC leader Roger Gough has said "enormous pressure" was being put on the authority amid rising numbers of unaccompanied young migrants arriving in the UK.

He told Sky News: "What happens when they come into our care, we have a number of reception centres where they undergo a detailed assessment of their needs. Most of them will end up in semi supported accommodation and we have responsibilities up to the age of 25.

"We certainly need to see a significant reduction in the number of arrivals. There is already a concern that these are people coming from what is a safe country, from France. The best way of doing that remains to be seen.

"Looking at what happened last time we had a crisis in 2015, in the aftermath of that there was a lot of work done between British and French governments to, for example dismantle the camp in Calais, to improve security on the French side, and that did have for some time a considerable effect."

Mr Philp has said some of the measures he would like to see brought in include migrants being deported or being taken into custody for breaking the law.

The Home Office has said it is possible the Royal Navy might be brought in to patrol the Channel's migrant traffic - a move described as "completely potty" by a Ministry of Defence source.

The proposals reflect growing frustration in government after nearly two years of rising numbers of migrants arriving by sea from France.

Mr Gibb added: "It's not a simple situation, nor is there a simple solution. There are legal barriers and complexities in dealing with this... issue, which is why the home secretary, Priti Patel, has been talking to her French counterparts, and why Chris Philp will also be doing the same next week.

"We are talking to our French counterparts... in order to find a solution using maritime assets, as they call it, to try and return boats to France."

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4(T)

LE
The only practical solution, politically and logistically, would be to place them immediatly onto a ship for a return trip to France. They'd soon get the message that handing £5k to a mafioso for some toy boat is not going to take them to welfare nirvana.

Conveniently, I gather that we are currently in earnest negotiations over our future relationship with the EU, and I also gather that the French are exceedingly anxious about the outcome of said talks. Seems like a win-win; the French open a reception centre for returnee amateur sailors, and maybe we'll give them a couple of fishing licences or something.
 
Yet the more apologising and hand wringing done on our behalf by useful idiots such as these, the more groups such as BLM and extreme Muslims despise us. Not in my name.
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. . . . It seems we're going to use the Royal Navy to push migrants back. I can't see that working. All they have to do is fall into the water without a life jacket and then we either let them die or pick them up. The lefties and press would have a field day if we had migrant blood on our hands.

Published by: Kiro Evans, The SUN, on 08 August 2020.

MIGRANT ‘PUSH-BACK’ Migrant boats ‘to be intercepted by Royal Navy and turned back before they reach Brit waters’ under Aussie style plan.

MIGRANT boats could be intercepted by the Royal Navy and turned away before reaching British waters under new plans, it's reported.

The idea is based on an Australian tactic and is believed to be one of a number of plans being considered as pressure grows on ministers to stop migrants sailing into Britain on dinghies.


The rumoured plans come after 235 migrants crossed the channel on Thursday, setting a new record for a 24-hour period.

Around 130 people are also believed to have arrived in British waters today while the waters were calm, demonstrating the scale of the challenge for the Government.

The proposed new strategy is modelled on Australia's handling of migrants arriving from Indonesia.

It could involve the Royal Navy and Border Force intercepting vessels as they leave French waters.

A Whitehall source told The Times: "Australia does an operation they call 'push back' and it has been successful. It is one option we are looking at."

Some Government sources question the legality of the move and there are fears over the political fallout if interceptions were to inadvertently lead to migrants drowning.


The Government is considering getting the Royal Navy and Border Force to intercept vessels, it's reported
Home Secretary Priti Patel has acknowledged the difficulty in stopping the trips across the channel.

She tweeted: "I am working to make this route unviable.

"This involves stopping the boats leaving France in the first place [and] intercepting boats and returning those attempting to make a crossing."

But she added: "We face serious legislative, legal and operational barriers."

The Home Secretary has also demanded French help to intercept boats to discourage them from trying to cross the Channel.

She said: "We also need the cooperation of the French to intercept boats and return migrants back to France.
"I know that when the British people say they want to take back control of our borders – this is exactly what they mean."

But French MP for Calais said earlier this week that trying to stop migrants crossing was "like trying to empty the sea with a spoon".

Pierre Henri Dumont complained French police "can’t be in different places at the same time" as he admitted that they didn’t take boats back to shore if they’ve crossed over into British waters.

More than 3,800 migrants have made the journey across the water to try and get into Britain so far this year, compared with 1,850 for the whole of last year.


With numbers rising, there are fears that the risky journey could lead to mass drownings similar to those in the Mediterranean.

Last year there were 1,262 deaths in crossings from Libya to Italy and Malta. In 2016 there were 4,581.

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syrup

LE
The only practical solution, politically and logistically, would be to place them immediatly onto a ship for a return trip to France. They'd soon get the message that handing £5k to a mafioso for some toy boat is not going to take them to welfare nirvana.

Conveniently, I gather that we are currently in earnest negotiations over our future relationship with the EU, and I also gather that the French are exceedingly anxious about the outcome of said talks. Seems like a win-win; the French open a reception centre for returnee amateur sailors, and maybe we'll give them a couple of fishing licences or something.

Kent county council state they have taken 23 unaccompanied minors into care this weekend.
How does an unaccompanied minor have 5 grand to spend in France for a seat on a boat.
 

syrup

LE
Hypothetical question.

Freedom of speech, thought and belief are under assault. These are things that were highly valued by others who fled here for freedom from persecution, torture and murder. If the UK or an SNP Scotland for that matter, were to become hostile to your freedoms, where would you consider fleeing to for asylum?

I accept the some of the answers may be quite ironic given recent history (Say within the last 150 years?)

But they're not fleeing for asylum that stopped the minute they stepped out of the war zone.
They have multiple chances to apply for asylum in one of the many countries they have travelled through.
The 39 Vietnamese frozen to death by an Irish haulier weren't fleeing war and seeking asylum some had already been deported yet came back for another go.
 
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syrup

LE
Published by: Kiro Evans, The SUN, on 08 August 2020.

MIGRANT ‘PUSH-BACK’ Migrant boats ‘to be intercepted by Royal Navy and turned back before they reach Brit waters’ under Aussie style plan.

MIGRANT boats could be intercepted by the Royal Navy and turned away before reaching British waters under new plans, it's reported.

The idea is based on an Australian tactic and is believed to be one of a number of plans being considered as pressure grows on ministers to stop migrants sailing into Britain on dinghies.


The rumoured plans come after 235 migrants crossed the channel on Thursday, setting a new record for a 24-hour period.

Around 130 people are also believed to have arrived in British waters today while the waters were calm, demonstrating the scale of the challenge for the Government.

The proposed new strategy is modelled on Australia's handling of migrants arriving from Indonesia.

It could involve the Royal Navy and Border Force intercepting vessels as they leave French waters.

A Whitehall source told The Times: "Australia does an operation they call 'push back' and it has been successful. It is one option we are looking at."

Some Government sources question the legality of the move and there are fears over the political fallout if interceptions were to inadvertently lead to migrants drowning.


The Government is considering getting the Royal Navy and Border Force to intercept vessels, it's reported
Home Secretary Priti Patel has acknowledged the difficulty in stopping the trips across the channel.

She tweeted: "I am working to make this route unviable.

"This involves stopping the boats leaving France in the first place [and] intercepting boats and returning those attempting to make a crossing."

But she added: "We face serious legislative, legal and operational barriers."

The Home Secretary has also demanded French help to intercept boats to discourage them from trying to cross the Channel.

She said: "We also need the cooperation of the French to intercept boats and return migrants back to France.
"I know that when the British people say they want to take back control of our borders – this is exactly what they mean."

But French MP for Calais said earlier this week that trying to stop migrants crossing was "like trying to empty the sea with a spoon".

Pierre Henri Dumont complained French police "can’t be in different places at the same time" as he admitted that they didn’t take boats back to shore if they’ve crossed over into British waters.

More than 3,800 migrants have made the journey across the water to try and get into Britain so far this year, compared with 1,850 for the whole of last year.


With numbers rising, there are fears that the risky journey could lead to mass drownings similar to those in the Mediterranean.

Last year there were 1,262 deaths in crossings from Libya to Italy and Malta. In 2016 there were 4,581.

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The French police must be blind every boat and engine within a 50 mile radius of the Channel must be bought up or being nicked.
They don't just get dragged there you need a car and a trailer how can they not spot that.

We should be talking to Greece not the French.
Let them land here and simply return them, to their starting point not France so they can have another go.
 
Occasionally spend some time on t'inter-web, imagining what money could be spent on . . . "when my boat comes in" . . . YSWIDT !!

Plenty more such vessels available . . . non-lethal, passive aggressive, flood the dingies/inflatables within swimming distance of the french coast . . . ;) !!

Job done.

Volunteers for crew, send PM !!


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Vessel comes with a large quantity of spare parts and is very well maintained.

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ROMFT

Old-Salt
The RN is powerless in this situation, it can not act in any way that would put lives in danger, all it would be able to do is provide an extra pick up service.
Where are all the small boats coming from, small boat owners tend to be very protective of their boats, this can't be too hard to sort out, track down the source(s) providing the boats & an immediate reduction in traffic follows.
 
I can't help but notice that quite a few of those immigration lawyers are immigrants themselves. It's in their interest to get more migrants in because they have no loyalty or interest in preserving British culture because they aren't even British.
 
The only practical solution, politically and logistically, would be to place them immediatly onto a ship for a return trip to France. They'd soon get the message that handing £5k to a mafioso for some toy boat is not going to take them to welfare nirvana.

Posted earlier was the fact that 4,000 crossed their own personal Red Sea on 300 boats (this year so far) to their Chosen Land with only 155 currently returned.
When it is 3,845 returned and 155 allowed to stay they may then stop paying up to €15,000 a go, and they may even get that very same message.
Until that happens, then get used to the idea that there is a whole industry in the UK dedicated to bringing them over, housing them and tailoring their particular story to the current tale of woe to the current country of woe.
Some allegedly professional people are on very serious money once their clients are within the UK and availing themselves of legal services.
The UK is a stronger magnet to them than France, and they are not coming over to play cricket.
 

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