The Trump Presidency...

I keep saying it, Trump learned all his best tricks off Reagan :)
Taylor Downing's excellent '1983: The World at the Brink' is well worth a read to understand why, and over what period, Reagan changed his stance and opinion of Russia. It didn't occur overnight on a flight back to the USA.

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I was watching a live stream by a former Republican strategist turned political pundit who keeps his ear to the ground this morning, he said the gossip is that things were so difficult between Trump and General Kelly on the flight back that staff had to keep him at the other end of the plane and that he and Mattis may be handing in their cards because they've had enough.
 
<snigger> Excellent..
 
You're still swallowing all that guff?
Well i'm bombarded with the b0ll0cks going on the UK from a bunch of third rate nobodies in Parliament dithering in indecision, self-interest and the unwillingness to accept the result of a democratic vote carried out under the rules of our voting system, and sadly, like every other member of the population in any democracy, I have no choice.

i must say I never had you down as a reactionary
 
I was watching a live stream by a former Republican strategist turned political pundit who keeps his ear to the ground this morning, he said the gossip is that things were so difficult between Trump and General Kelly on the flight back that staff had to keep him at the other end of the plane and that he and Mattis may be handing in their cards because they've had enough.
The man is not worthy of the office of POTUS.
 
Well i'm bombarded with the b0ll0cks going on the UK from a bunch of third rate nobodies in Parliament dithering in indecision, self-interest and the unwillingness to accept the result of a democratic vote carried out under the rules of our voting system, and sadly, like every other member of the population in any democracy, I have no choice.

i must say I never had you down as a reactionary
A total non answer.
About as good as "Look, a badger!"
 
A total non answer.
About as good as "Look, a badger!"
I dont think it was a total non answer. I said I have no choice. Its called democracy. The next time I have my say will be when I'm invited to vote on an issue as its the only thing that (is supposed to) count.

What I would like to see is some form of contract between government and people that makes the manifesto binding. If you look at the fuss in the US, its because Trump is actually implementing his manifesto and the people who didnt vote for him dont like it.

What we have in the UK is most people are content (on the whole) post election as neither party every really does what it says its going to do - as a consequence, the big issues never get addressed, such as cuts to the armed forces, disassembling and rebuilding the NHS so its fit for purpose, restructuring the Police Service, merging social care and healthcare and scrapping two tier Local Government.

In the US, you have a change agent in charge and he is doing what he says. In the UK, we have had a series of either weak or divisive administrators who have either done nothing, or implemented a social engineering strategy that's ****ed the very communities (and working classes) they purport to represent - hence BREXIT.

I will have my vote next time and it wont be Tory - ever again. They are not to be trusted.
 
Disruptive transformation, seems to be all the rage in some quarters.
Strangely not in the Kremlin.

They seem to like having it in Washington though, there's a clue there.
 
The man is not worthy of the office of POTUS.
That's as maybe* but he was voted in by a system that however flawed the country was by and large happy with until it delivered the wrong result. Much like the UK when the UK system becomes flawed and corrupt to millions who previously had no issue the moment it doesn't deliver a Labour win***.

The Mans elected hes there no amount of whining and hand ringing will change that.
Nor will the current refusal in some quarters to accept he isn't satan reincarnate and not everything he does is an attempt to emulate 1930s Germany - that's simply going to backfire and garner the man some sympathy

*Not that I disagree with you - but I didn't think Hilary was worthy either - just more popular with the Luvies. The fact these are the 2 candidates put forward suggests either
A) Democrats and republicans were positive a Woman would become president that from a Democrat stand point anything fitting the description would do, and from a Republican standpoint no point contesting this time so let Trump spunk his money up the wall and get him out of our hair** . Somewhat borne out by Hilarys - vote for me im a woman - look at the nasty policies and ideas trump supports - carefully ignore my support for them up until today campaign heartily endorsed by - Only a sexist wouldn't vote for Hilary media whores and celebrities - coupled with piss poor performance from the republican camp - Followed by a collective oh shit.

b) They really couldn't organise the proverbial in a brewery and its time to bring them back into the UK



**Perhaps not the best 2 expressions ensemble

***Stand fast mr shankyboots you aren't included in those figures - you had previously expressed dissatisfaction.
 
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Let me just check, do you mean the same US intelligence community that told us Saddam had WMD?
Without looking it up, but from memory they didn't.

It was Bush's team who twisted the interpretation and the reports to say there were WMDs.

Willing to be corrected if I mis-spoke, sorry mis-remembered.
'•In October 2002, Bush said that Saddam Hussein had a "massive stockpile" of biological weapons. But as CIA Director George Tenet noted in early 2004, the CIA had informed policymakers it had "no specific information on the types or quantities of weapons agent or stockpiles at Baghdad's disposal." The "massive stockpile" was just literally made up.
•In December 2002, Bush declared, "We do not know whether or not [Iraq] has a nuclear weapon." That was not what the National Intelligence Estimate said. As Tenet would later testify, "We said that Saddam did not have a nuclear weapon and probably would have been unable to make one until 2007 to 2009." Bush did know whether or not Iraq had a nuclear weapon — and lied and said he didn’t know to hype the threat.
•On CNN in September 2002, Condoleezza Rice claimed that aluminum tubes purchased by Iraq were "only really suited for nuclear weapons programs." This was precisely the opposite of what nuclear experts at the Energy Department were saying; they argue that not only was it very possible the tubes were for nonnuclear purposes but that it was very likely they were too. Even more dire assessments about the tubes from other agencies were exaggerated by administration officials — and in any case, the claim that they’re "only really suited" for nuclear weapons is just false.
•On numerous occasions, Dick Cheney cited a report that 9/11 conspirator Mohammed Atta had met in Prague with an Iraqi intelligence officer. He said this after the CIA and FBI concluded that this meeting never took place.
•More generally on the question of Iraq and al-Qaeda, on September 18, 2001, Rice received a memo summarizing intelligence on the relationship, which concluded there was little evidence of links. Nonetheless Bush continued to claim that Hussein was "a threat because he’s dealing with al-Qaeda" more than a year later.
•In August 2002, Dick Cheney declared, "Simply stated, there's no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." But as Corn notes, at that time there was "no confirmed intelligence at this point establishing that Saddam had revived a major WMD operation." Gen. Anthony Zinni, who had heard the same intelligence and attended Cheney’s speech, would later say in a documentary, "It was a total shock. I couldn't believe the vice president was saying this, you know? In doing work with the CIA on Iraq WMD, through all the briefings I heard at Langley, I never saw one piece of credible evidence that there was an ongoing program." '

No, really, George W. Bush lied about WMDs
 

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