The Trump Presidency...

It's one of his many gifts that keep on giving that he inspires his supporters to keep ferociously defending the bunker right up to the point he about-turns and leaves them flapping.

I wonder how it feels to be so vested in the rightness of his decisions only to hear him say openly that the exact opposite is actually the right thing after all.
I do wonder how the twats bleating about people being concerned about this policy will react to the unfortunate fact that Trumop has changed it...
 
So you admit there is no policy in this county of removing all children like the one in the US?

You dont seem to understand that this is a thread about Trump, not the UK, or are you going to try and use that whataboutary on every topic brought up on here?
You do know that if a parent goes to jail in the UK there is a 99% chance their kids will be removed?

I understand you have said **** all about the many injustices against illegal immigrants in the UK and that you say you would do **** all to help them. Yet you get all blubbery over those trying to sneak over the US-Mexican border.
 
Yeah becuase in no way are you crying when trying to defend Trump
I havent done much defending, I have however laughed at chimps like you.
 
You do know that if a parent goes to jail in the UK there is a 99% chance their kids will be removed?

I understand you have said **** all about the many injustices against illegal immigrants in the UK and that you say you would do **** all to help them. Yet you get all blubbery over those trying to sneak over the US-Mexican border.
So you keep saying.
You terminal bore.
 
You do know that if a parent goes to jail in the UK there is a 99% chance their kids will be removed?

I understand you have said **** all about the many injustices against illegal immigrants in the UK and that you say you would do **** all to help them. Yet you get all blubbery over those trying to sneak over the US-Mexican border.

Yes, if a parent goes to jail, however all children were being removed in the US, something that does not happen to immigrants here.

What you are doing is called a "Tu quoque" logical fallacy, It is a fallacy because the moral character or actions of the opponent are generally irrelevant to the logic of the argument. It is often used as a red herring tactic and is a special case of the ad hominem fallacy, which is a category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of facts about the person presenting or supporting the claim or argument.
 
What you are doing is called a "Tu quoque" logical fallacy, It is a fallacy because the moral character or actions of the opponent are generally irrelevant to the logic of the argument. It is often used as a red herring tactic and is a special case of the ad hominem fallacy, which is a category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of facts about the person presenting or supporting the claim or argument.
What you are doing is called "Googling".
 
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Is Trump bothered about the border, or just trying to fulfil a public promise?. If you accept, he was just trying to tick a box he has done that pretty successfully, the democrats and the liberal media never seem to learn.

In the zeal to hype an issue and use innocent people as a club, all that has happened is Trump looks tough, but surrounded by spineless people in the eyes of those who dislike the media. Neutrals in the US presumably know the detail and are likely annoyed at the misrepresentations of the policy and can see through some of the media spin, making them more likely to vote trump. And, those who don't like him, like him even less.

It might hurt the republicans, but its instances like this which will secure his second term.
 
Is Trump bothered about the border, or just trying to fulfil a public promise?. If you accept, he was just trying to tick a box he has done that pretty successfully, the democrats and the liberal media never seem to learn.

In the zeal to hype an issue and use innocent people as a club, all that has happened is Trump looks tough, but surrounded by spineless people in the eyes of those who dislike the media. Neutrals in the US presumably know the detail and are likely annoyed at the misrepresentations of the policy and can see through some of the media spin, making them more likely to vote trump. And, those who don't like him, like him even less.

It might hurt the republicans, but its instances like this which will secure his second term.
Talking of the wall...

 
Is Trump bothered about the border, or just trying to fulfil a public promise?. If you accept, he was just trying to tick a box he has done that pretty successfully, the democrats and the liberal media never seem to learn.

In the zeal to hype an issue and use innocent people as a club, all that has happened is Trump looks tough, but surrounded by spineless people in the eyes of those who dislike the media. Neutrals in the US presumably know the detail and are likely annoyed at the misrepresentations of the policy and can see through some of the media spin, making them more likely to vote trump. And, those who don't like him, like him even less.

It might hurt the republicans, but its instances like this which will secure his second term.
He's actually being quite clever because his executive order will inevitably be challenged (within 21 days) in court which means the Democrats/Media/Courts will have to publically acknowledge the Law that has actually been in place since Clintons time which Trump was enforcing! - this week the extreme left/Media have done everything to blame only Trump and make out it was his law.
Last night I watched video footage of Obama reacting to exactly the same issue, except his treatment of kids was worse! - the difference was, in the video Obama told the press he couldn't do anything about it as it was a law created by Congress and out of his control. This time Trump has actually intervened and is being pillared by the press unlike Obama who did nothing! - therefore the people screaming about it clearly don't care about the kids and are using this as an opportunity to have a go at Trump.
None of the main stream media/shouty types has made any effort to show that this policy has been in place for about 15 years or present a solution to illegal immigration
PS in any country in the world if you break the law and go to prison you are separated from your kids
 
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He's actually being quite clever because his executive order will inevitably be challenged (within 21 days) in court which means the Democrats/Media/Courts will have to publically acknowledge the Law that has actually been in place since Clintons time which Trump was enforcing! - this week the extreme left/Media have done everything to blame only Trump and make out it was his law.
Last night I watched video footage of Obama reacting to exactly the same issue, except his treatment of kids was worse! - the difference was, in the video Obama told the press he couldn't do anything about it as it was a law created by Congress and out of his control. This time Trump has actually intervened and is being pillared by the press unlike Obama who did nothing! - therefore the people screaming about it clearly don't care about the kids and are using this as an opportunity to have a go at Trump.
None of the main stream media/shouty types has made any effort to show that this policy has been in place for about 15 years or present a solution to illegal immigration
PS in any country in the world if you break the law and go to prison you are separated from your kids
Exactly my point, like a modern day Ali, he seems to lead the bullying media onto the punch. Not saying its always intentional either, but the media make it so easy for him and each attack, likely improves his position, rather than undermines it.

The Media would be better, playing it fair and not give the neutrals a reason to vote for him.
 
He's actually being quite clever because his executive order will inevitably be challenged (within 21 days) in court which means the Democrats/Media/Courts will have to publically acknowledge the Law that has actually been in place since Clintons time which Trump was enforcing! - this week the extreme left/Media have done everything to blame only Trump and make out it was his law.
Last night I watched video footage of Obama reacting to exactly the same issue, except his treatment of kids was worse! - the difference was, in the video Obama told the press he couldn't do anything about it as it was a law created by Congress and out of his control. This time Trump has actually intervened and is being pillared by the press unlike Obama who did nothing! - therefore the people screaming about it clearly don't care about the kids and are using this as an opportunity to have a go at Trump.
None of the main stream media/shouty types has made any effort to show that this policy has been in place for about 15 years or present a solution to illegal immigration
PS in any country in the world if you break the law and go to prison you are separated from your kids

Why will it be challenged? and there was no law in place, it was a policy started 6 weeks ago
 
Why will it be challenged? and there was no law in place, it was a policy started 6 weeks ago
Because the previous policy that was in force for the last 20 plus years, was to detain children for no more than 20 days. The idea was to find a Guardian to take them out of a detention facility. Now they can stay with mum and dad for months, while pending deportation.
 
Because the previous policy that was in force for the last 20 plus years, was to detain children for no more than 20 days. The idea was to find a Guardian to take them out of a detention facility. Now they can stay with mum and dad for months, while pending deportation.
And who will challenge it?
 

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