The Trump Presidency...

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Ok.

A lot of people don’t like Trump. I’m one of them. But the reality was that a lot of Americans disliked Trump less than they disliked Clinton.

I don’t know whether it’s the advent of social media, or the phenomenon has always been around, but there’s a sizeable grouping that can’t quite understand that other people hold different viewpoints to them. Hence we now have people going full retard over not getting their way with Brexit or Trump getting voted for by the majority. Worryingly though, these liberals seem to adopt rather extremist opinions when they don’t get their way such as advocating a removal of democratic principals because those who dare to have a different opinion to them are obviously stupid/racist/xenophobic/ ignorant and therefore unworthy of a vote.

This phenomenon seems to have kicked off with the centrist movements in the late 90s. The likes of Blair, Clinton, Obama etc have managed to push a liberal centrist agenda but many people have forgotten that since their great experiments have resulted in the biggest financial crash since the 20s, the vast majority of the electorate have started to question the ‘we know best’ approach.

I’m no fan of trump, however the simple fact is this.

Gallup: Trump's 45% approval rating a record high

I dislike the derogatory term ‘populist’ policies when they have the backing of the electorate.
 
But the reality was that a lot of Americans disliked Trump less than they disliked Clinton.
The reality was that a lot more disliked Trump more than Clinton and a substantial number disliked both.

Trump isn't in office because he was less disliked, he's there because of a quirk in the US election system.
 
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Ok.

A lot of people don’t like Trump. I’m one of them. But the reality was that a lot of Americans disliked Trump less than they disliked Clinton.

I don’t know whether it’s the advent of social media, or the phenomenon has always been around, but there’s a sizeable grouping that can’t quite understand that other people hold different viewpoints to them. Hence we now have people going full retard over not getting their way with Brexit or Trump getting voted for by the majority. Worryingly though, these liberals seem to adopt rather extremist opinions when they don’t get their way such as advocating a removal of democratic principals because those who dare to have a different opinion to them are obviously stupid/racist/xenophobic/ ignorant and therefore unworthy of a vote.

This phenomenon seems to have kicked off with the centrist movements in the late 90s. The likes of Blair, Clinton, Obama etc have managed to push a liberal centrist agenda but many people have forgotten that since their great experiments have resulted in the biggest financial crash since the 20s, the vast majority of the electorate have started to question the ‘we know best’ approach.

I’m no fan of trump, however the simple fact is this.

Gallup: Trump's 45% approval rating a record high

I dislike the derogatory term ‘populist’ policies when they have the backing of the electorate.
On another thread, I got into an argument over the definition of populism.. My definition, was any policy that the establishment/elite don't like is populist/extremist.. Its just a label, the media use the pejorative and lots of people just don't think and echo or parrot the guided view to signal there virtue.

It has always been with us, the majority of the populace have gotten lazier and just switched off from politics, allowing these overeducated people to set the agenda.
 
Good Morning Truppits.

Sitting here having a morning coffee I see the airwaves are lit up with good news for your magnificent POTUS, to say his popularity has grown in leaps and bounds overnight is an understatement, leaders from around the world are showing their support for the great job that Donald J Dump is doing.

His wonderful leadership on Immigration is showing the world how it should be done, his trade war with the world will go down in history as a lesson in proper Economics, his humbling truthful fact filled speeches are a shining light, a beacon of hope, in what can be a dreary world.

Yes, things are going so well for him that almost every Country in the World are demanding Hair Furor pay them a State Visit so that the country's leaders can learn how they too can bring their own citizens together.

Here are a few snippets from the Orange Eminence, the Lord Almighty, the King of America, and the Truppit Master, Donald J. Frump.
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President Donald Trump has always been a frequent liar, but it’s getting worse.

CODY FENWICK, ALTERNET
20 JUN 2018 AT 06:37 ET
“According to an analysis by Fact Checker through the end of May, Trump had made 3,251 false or misleading claims in 497 days — an average of 6.5 such claims per day of his presidency,” Parker writes. But this rate seems to be increasing, she notes.

“Trump is lying, obfuscating and inventing his own version of reality more frequently – a period that began post-Cohen raid but which has intensified in recent days.

Two major issues have prompted a deluge of new falsehoods from the president, Parker notes: the FBI inspector general report on Hillary Clinton’s email investigation, and the administration’s policy of separating immigrant families at the border.

Part of the reason for the increase in lies is an increase in tweets. In June, Trump has tweeted on average 11.3 times a day. These tweets are often filled with demonstrable lies. Trump also lies in speeches, sometimes repeating those he’s said through other media. His lies, it seems, even seem to be catching. Homeland Security Sec. Kirstjen Nielsen delivered misleading and falsehood-filled press briefing Monday.

But when you work for the Trump administration, lying on camera is apparently part of the job description.
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What was Trump thinking?
Edward Morrissey
The Week

Fierce rhetoric on immigration was the fuel on which much of Donald Trump's presidential campaign ran. His promises to take a hard line on enforcement resonated with millions of American voters, who responded enthusiastically and flocked to his rallies.


But that doesn't mean doing so is good for him.

Indeed, President Trump's latest thoughtless action and comments on immigration threaten to crush Republican momentum in the midterm elections.
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Donald Trump is indisputably the worst president in American history
Joel Mathis
http://theweek.com/articles/779929/donald-trump-indisputably-worst-president-american-history

eorge W. Bush was a terrible president. He fumbled everything from Katrina to Iraq to the economy. But even he wasn't all bad — his AIDS initiative in Africa was a blessing to that continent, for instance.

Jimmy Carter is remembered as a disastrous president (possibly unfairly) but he's had a post-presidency that's proved him an uncommonly decent man.

Lyndon Johnson's presidency collapsed in the Vietnam War — but hey, at least he spearheaded the momentous Civil Rights Act.

The point is that even lousy presidents have a silver lining ... right? Well, maybe not. It is increasingly difficult to find one nice thing to say about President Trump.


Let's just look at the last month: In that time he and his administration have picked fights with allies, buttered up dictators, accelerated a nascent trade war, and created — purely for the sake of cruelty and cynical political leverage — a humanitarian disaster on our border with Mexico. Oh, and in his spare time, he's used his Twitter account to undermine the rule of law in hopes it will save him from prosecution.

That's a whole term of bad accomplishments for some presidents, but Trump is barely breaking a sweat.

Trump oversees a White House full of chaotic, petty backstabbing. He makes some key decisions, it appears, purely for their trolling value. He changes positions so frequently that no one can rely on his word, but you weren't going to trust his word anyway since he's such a prolific liar. He tolerates obvious corruption in his Cabinet. He can't quite bring himself to condemn Nazis. And what may be his greatest "success" — getting out of Congress' way to get a tax cut passed — was a handout to the rich that will be paid by the poor and middle class for years to come.

He's the worst.

There are other contenders for the title, of course, but a glance through American history reveals that most bad presidents — like the aforementioned Bush, Carter, and Johnson — have at least one thing going for them.

Richard Nixon was the only president to resign, thanks to Watergate, which instantly relegated him to the ranks of the worst presidents. But he also opened relations with the Chinese, eased tensions with the Soviets, established the Environmental Protection Agency and, heck, he even endorsed the Equal Rights Amendment. He was better than Trump.

Herbert Hoover left the economy in such bad shape that capitalism itself needed saving after his term. But like Jimmy Carter, Hoover was redeemed in private life by his tremendous humanitarian work during World War I — and he was even known to raise funds for what is now the Boys & Girls Club of America. He was better than Trump.


Warren G. Harding's presidency was beset with corruption and scandal — though the most famous, the Teapot Dome scandal, wasn't revealed until after his death — and his private life, replete with infidelity, was nothing to brag about either. But he was also an early advocate of civil rights, urging that African Americans in the South be given equal opportunity to vote, and he condemned lynching in unequivocal terms. He was better than Trump.

James Buchanan played fiddle while the forces that led to the Civil War were gathering momentum. This is regarded by many historians as one of the worst-ever presidential mistakes. And he was an early example of a now-familiar phenomenon: a Northern man with Southern principles. Still, unlike Trump, Buchanan also had a long history of service to the public — serving as minister to Russia, ambassador to the United Kingdom, and secretary of state. Even he was better than Trump.

The list goes on. It is near impossible to find any president, no matter how terrible, of whom some nice things can't be said — until we get to Trump.

This raises a question: How might Trump possibly redeem himself? A Jimmy Carter post-presidency of philanthropy seems unlikely, given that New York is suing Trump for using his charitable foundation as a piggy bank to fund his private ventures. The best that can be said of "private life" Trump is that while he's a vulgarian con man, he's at least an entertaining vulgarian con man.
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Republican Steve Schmidt leaves ‘the party of Trump’: ‘The GOP has become a danger to our democracy’
TRAVIS GETTYS
20 JUN 2018 AT 06:13 ET


Republican strategist Steve Schmidt — who convinced John McCain to appoint Sarah Palin as his running mate — renounced his membership in the Republican Party over the continuing abuses of President Donald Trump.

The GOP strategist and MSNBC analyst announced in an overnight tweetstorm that he was leaving “the party of Trump” after nearly 30 years as a registered voter.

He called the party “corrupt, indecent and immoral,” and he said with few exceptions Republican elected officials were “feckless cowards who disgrace and dishonor the legacies of the party’s greatest leaders.”

“This child separation policy is connected to the worst abuses of Humanity in our history,” Schmidt said. “It is connected by the same evil that separated families during slavery and dislocated tribes and broke up Native American families. It is immoral and must be repudiated. Our country is in trouble. Our politics are badly broken.

“The first step to a season of renewal in our land is the absolute and utter repudiation of Trump and his vile enablers in the 2018 election by electing Democratic majorities,” he added. “I do not say this as an advocate of a progressive agenda. I say it as someone who retains belief in DEMOCRACY and decency.”

Schmidt condemned the family separation policy and “internment camps for babies” established by the Trump administration and shamed the officials who allowed that to happen.

“Everyone of these complicit leaders will carry this shame through history,” he said. “(Their) legacies will be ones of well earned ignominy. They have disgraced their country and brought dishonor to the Party of Lincoln.”
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Trump erases Obama-era offshore rules
By Daniel J. Graeber
Trump erases Obama-era offshore rules

June 20 (UPI) -- Executive action from the U.S. president eases offshore energy planning burdens. "The executive order reverses the misguided course of the 2010 National Ocean Policy," he said in a statement.

Trump has worked to unravel some of the safety measures implemented after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, one of the worst offshore spills in the history of the industry. Christy Goldfuss, senior vice president for energy and environment at the Center for American Progress, said the Trump administration has been reckless with offshore policies.

"This order is just the latest attack in what has become an all-out war on America's oceans."
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Trump, border separations and the twilight of American moral leadership
By Dominic Green
Trump, border separations and the twilight of American moral leadership - CapX

They say that success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan. The moral and political failure on America’s southern border has, however, many fathers. It is entirely accurate to blame Donald Trump for the disgraceful cruelty of separating parents from children. The buck stops there, on the president’s desk.

Previous presidents have wished the whole border and immigration business would go away, or hoped that another, legislative form of magical thinking would fix it. This president arrived at the White House promising to introduce a punitive theme into America’s already harsh border policing.
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Trump’s death march over trade
By BEN WHITE. 06/20/2018 05:11 AM EDT
Trump’s death match over trade

The escalating size of potential U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods could leave consumers paying higher prices while damaging the ability of American farmers to export to the world’s second-largest economy.

A potential collapse of NAFTA could destabilize supply chains for American companies.

And as corporate America tries to figure out exactly what President Donald Trump is going to do and what it could mean, one group is cleaning up on the all confusion: lobbyists. ................................................................................................................................................................................
The Note: Trump standing virtually alone
  • By RICK KLEIN
  • MARYALICE PARKS
Jun 20, 2018, 5:56 AM ET
The Note: Trump standing virtually alone

President Donald Trump has grown used to creating his own realities. That’s part of what makes this a jarring political moment: The president is in danger of being taken neither literally nor seriously, even inside his own party.

As Trump heads back to the campaign trail Wednesday in Minnesota, and work continues on an immigration solution that is nowhere close to being resolved, the realities of the world he’s sought to reshape come into stark view.

The stock market is sliding as a trade war moves out of the realm of the hypothetical. The United States has removed itself from the United Nations Human Rights Council.

And the images of America, now being consumed both home and abroad, continue to be of children separated from their families indefinitely.

Trump is raging at Democrats. But Republican lawmakers — the ones from the party that actually controls Washington — aren’t listening.

He claims his hands are tied. But prominent members of his own party demand that he untie them.

The focus will turn, inevitably and surely regrettably, to partisan finger-pointing about competing proposals. Yet at this moment, and not by design, Trump stands virtually alone.
QUOTE OF THE DAY

"That's just a load of crap." — Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., on Tuesday, in reaction to the president’s claim that Congress needs to make the decision on the immigration enforcement policy that leads to separated families.
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An Increasingly Isolated And Paranoid Trump: ‘The Bushies Are Out To Get Me’
By Kate Riga | June 20, 2018 8:15 am
An Increasingly Isolated And Paranoid Trump: ‘The Bushies Are Out To Get Me’
As staffers drain from the White House and the bulk of President Donald Trump’s most trusted advisors depart, Trump is growing increasingly lonely and mistrustful of those remaining, according to a Tuesday New York Times report.

“The Bushies in the White House are out to get me,” Trump reportedly said about staff holdovers from the Bush administration.

Me: Personally In his mind it's the real Bushes on the Whitzetag Lawn that are out to get him.

He is also so devoid of human contact that he’s eager to spar with reporters even as he slanders the profession daily, according to the Times.

The tides do not seem to be changing either, as rumors fly about a chunk of significant White House players who are eyeing the exits. Per the New York Times, that list includes Chief of Staff John Kelly, White House Counsel Don McGahn, Legislative Affairs Director Marc Short, Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Deputy Press Secretary Raj Shah, and Social Media Director Dan Scavino.

Scavino in particular would reportedly be a big loss to the President, as he is one of the last campaign holdovers who has stayed with Trump since the beginning and is vested with the responsibility of running Trump’s treasured Twitter feed—when Trump isn’t using it, of course.
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Yes, It's going so well for the Orange Idiot the Truppits must be awe !
 
Yet another WTF ! moment in Frump land.

A heckler yelled "Mr. President, f*** you" as President Donald Trump walked through the US Capitol building on Tuesday evening to meet with House Republicans about immigration legislation.

"Mr. President f*** you," is heard yelled in footage of the president entering the office of House Speaker Paul Ryan.

Trump was en route to talk to members of his own party about immigration policy.

Shortly thereafter Frumps Brown shirted Police issued a "global look out" for a woman with "an intern badge" with dirty blonde hair and blue-chequered pants.
 
then you will never learn - very sad

he was being questioned on his findings which found that a limited number of named (and a couple not named) FBI individuals completely failed to do their jobs properly in an effort to keep Hillary in the race to become President - his next report will cover the suspected FISA abuses of the FBI/DOJ/Obama Admin

in anyones book his findings so far have been pretty shocking and worthy of note. Ignoring it wont make it go away
a) then you will never learn - very sad
Wow, If I choose not to watch a conspiracy nut video about something that I have seen and read about extensively does not mean I don't look for the truth elsewhere.

b) which found that a limited number of named (and a couple not named) FBI individuals completely failed to do their jobs properly in an effort to keep Hillary in the race to become President.
Obviously they didn't do their job properly dummy, coz.. (and I might be letting the cat out of the bag for you here.. Hilary isn't President) Durr !!

c) in anyone's book his findings so far have been pretty shocking and worthy of note.
By ANYONE'S book I think you mean the Orange Idiots book !! People with common sense seem to be able to distinguish fact from fiction.

d) Ignoring it wont make it go away
Hey, I haven't put you on ignore.. I don't want to.. your nut job conspiracy posts are waaaaay to funny.
 
On one side, you have Rachel maddow, Trudeau and others of that ilk, crying like little babies at the drop of a hat.. On the other, a man, who is prepared to deal with challenges head on, like some crazed judge dredd/trump.

Of course, Trump will inevitably get some things wrong, its what happens, when you try and overturn established ways, principles, frozen thinking.

I know which one I would prefer leading our country.
That would be Putin?
You seem to be a fanboi.
 

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a) then you will never learn - very sad
Wow, If I choose not to watch a conspiracy nut video about something that I have seen and read about extensively does not mean I don't look for the truth elsewhere.

b) which found that a limited number of named (and a couple not named) FBI individuals completely failed to do their jobs properly in an effort to keep Hillary in the race to become President.
Obviously they didn't do their job properly dummy, coz.. (and I might be letting the cat out of the bag for you here.. Hilary isn't President) Durr !!

c) in anyone's book his findings so far have been pretty shocking and worthy of note.
By ANYONE'S book I think you mean the Orange Idiots book !! People with common sense seem to be able to distinguish fact from fiction.

d) Ignoring it wont make it go away
Hey, I haven't put you on ignore.. I don't want to.. your nut job conspiracy posts are waaaaay to funny.
Its ok Headgear pops every so often all excited about memos that will totally like for sure, for reals destroy Clinton, sadly then reality says umm no.
 
I don't know why Comecon rates being told he is a Putinist fanboi as "Old."
He only joined in May...
I would have thought it was still rather a novelty.
Maybe his other socks were getting called fanbois too.
 
Trump Approval Rating Now Tied With Obama At Same Point In Presidency


Anyone Notice That Trump Is Now Tied With 'Popular' Obama On Job Approval?


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Popularity: President Trump can't get a break from negative press coverage, but somehow his approval rating continues to edge upward. In fact, it's now tied with where the "extremely popular" President Obama was at this point in his first term.

























The latest Gallup poll puts Trump's job approval at 45%. That's the highest it's been since he took office, and it's up from 37% at the start of the year. Although you'd barely know it from the press Trump gets, his approval number has been on a slow but relatively steady rise all year.
Not only that, but Trump's approval in this poll is now equal to Obama's at the same point in Obama's presidency. Gallup had Obama at 45% approval by late June 2010.
The difference is that while Trump's approval has been climbing, Obama's was dropping steadily over the course of his first term.
When Obama took office, he had an approval rating of 67%. By August of that year, it had fallen to 50%. A year later it was down to 43% in Gallup's poll.
By this point in Obama's presidency, his average approval was 47.9% and falling, according to Real Clear Politics. By October of 2010, it dropped down to 44%. Trump's average is currently 43.7%, and on the uptrend.
Even more striking is the fact that the public's approval of Obama was sagging even while his press coverage was overwhelmingly positive.
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A Pew Research Center study that came out last fall found that in Obama's first two months in office positive stories outweighed negative ones by two to one. A separate analysis by the Center for Media and Public Affairs found that over his first year in office almost 70% of the coverage about Obama himself was positive, as were 54% of the stories about his job performance.
And that's to say nothing of the adoration heaped on Obama by celebrities and media pundits.
Over Trump's first two months, by contrast, 62% of the stories were negative and 33% neutral. A mere 5% were positive. And if you took Fox News out of the mix, the share of positive coverage probably would almost entirely disappear. It's unlikely that Trump's coverage has improved any since.
But even as Obama's approval numbers sagged, the press continued to describe him as popular. The Washington Post called him "the popular president" in May, when his approval rating had dropped below 50%. In July, the New York Times quoted a consultant — without mockery — as saying "he's still an extremely popular president."
The IBD/TIPP Poll has consistently shown Trump's approval below the Real Clear Politics average. But his approval had been climbing in our poll as well. His 36% approval rating in June is up from 33% last October. What's more, the IBD/TIPP Presidential Leadership Index — a broader approval measure — shows a steady rise since October, when it stood at 36.5, to June's 41.1.
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What explains the two divergent popularity trends? Perhaps it's because the public eventually sees behind the media smoke screen to what's actually happening around them.
In Obama's case, his economic policies left the economy struggling long after the recession had ended. He was also entirely dismissive of Republicans, spent like there was no tomorrow, and devoted most of his time and energy pushing for ObamaCare, which the public hated.
For Trump, in contrast, the economy is booming, jobs are plentiful, household incomes are at record highs, optimism is up across the board — for which the public credits Trump. And he appears to be doing well internationally.
We suspect that even if Trump's approval did manage to climb above 50% in all the polls, the press would refuse to ever call him "popular." It certainly wouldn't do anything to dispel the intense hostility of his critics. They have a hard enough time describing him as "legitimate."
 
On one side, you have Rachel maddow, Trudeau and others of that ilk, crying like little babies at the drop of a hat.. On the other, a man, who is prepared to deal with challenges head on, like some crazed judge dredd/trump.

Of course, Trump will inevitably get some things wrong, its what happens, when you try and overturn established ways, principles, frozen thinking.

I know which one I would prefer leading our country.
Errrr, Excuse me Trudeau isn't crying like a baby at all but it's sad to see you defending a stupid idiot for defending the USA but take the piss out of our PM for trying to defend Canada.

You made a mistake in your second statement it should be "Trump will inevitably get almost everything wrong, its what happens when you have a dicktator who knows sweet FA about anything but then acts like a big baby when he doesn't get his way.

I know which one I would prefer leading our country.. thanks but Trudeau doesn't need your support
 

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