The Trump Presidency...

[Gravelbelly]

That is to do with their training and policing culture, not racism.

As an easy example... you watched the mobs storming the Capitol, and your first thought wasn't "if that was BLM, there would be dead rioters everywhere"? Isn't it amazing how few rioters were shot while beating a police officer to death; you don't think that their "training and policing culture" might be... slightly biased?

That is precisely what I am saying, because that is what any reasonable look at the statistics and the facts will indicate.

Reasonable looks at the statistics suggest that you're incorrect.

Remember, the DoJ has done plenty or reports on Police Departments that are overwhelmingly white (e.g. Ferguson PD); and the FBI has declared that there is a real and credible threat of white supremacists in law enforcement. After all, they're arresting plenty of white police officers for storming the Capitol by force, you don't hear of many black police officers getting lifted at BLM protests.

Risk of being killed by police use of force in the United States by age, race–ethnicity, and sex

Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men in the United States. Over the life course, about 1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police. Risk of being killed by police peaks between the ages of 20 y and 35 y for men and women and for all racial and ethnic groups...

www.pnas.org

PS No offence, but when you insist "its all the victims' fault for being armed and resisting arrest" it does rather sound like "Rodney King and George Floyd got real uppity, needed taught a lesson, boah".

 

[Filthy_contract]

Everyone knows the US state ended in 1942 when it was divided up between the Boxheads and the Japs. I know that to be true as I saw it on TV.

which has greater sense of reality than anything QMongs suggest.

 

[Civvy Scum]

Silicon upgrades?

Bunny boiling raving moon-howler.

 

[Filthy_contract]

Michele Anne Tittler seems to be rather strange.

She is actually from the planet Arcturus (which is actually a star, but never mind, we can let that one go) and her name is Lumia (light, obviously). She has a video of such mind-numbing stupidity it is difficult not to think it is a wind-up (satanic lizards, cannibals, Hitler/Bill gates/Uncle Tom Cobbley are all Rothschilds ad nauseum) as it encompasses nearly every bit of mental wibble you can think of.

It really has to be seen (more to be laughed at than anything else). Fill your boots:

I assume Dipso Fucktup thinks it is a documentary.

There is a Canadian Michelle Tittler who is a racist troll and has had several run-ins with the RCMP for posting race hate wibblevids.

There is another one who appears to be a lighting/camera person for film and TV. Lumia?

Difficult to say whether she is for real (so to speak) or trolling for lolz and the wind-up.

However, in the true spirit of @don't tell him pike I would.

Who knew the Arturians spoke Latin and English?

ETA: if this was broadcast in England, and about English people of note, private action for slander could be taken. If I was accused of being a child-molesting Rothschild cannibal and could demonstrate 'injury' (and I used to live in a Rothschild Mansion, as it happens...) I would sue the living daylight out of this complete nutter. And no, Arturian Dollars are not accepted in payment of damages.

And she wonders why none of her former college-mates don't support her?

 

[LEGZ30]

As an easy example... you watched the mobs storming the Capitol, and your first thought wasn't "if that was BLM, there would be dead rioters everywhere"?

You are right, it wasn't. I have spent an entire summer watching crowds, most of them linked to BLM, attacking Federal buildings and police stations. There has been no incident where there was 'dead rioters everywhere'. So there was no reason for me to expect it this time. That includes incidents where police were shot at by rioters, had fireworks and pipe bombs thrown at them and where attempts were made to burn buildings down with cops inside them.

Isn't it amazing how few rioters were shot while beating a police officer to death; you don't think that their "training and policing culture" might be... slightly biased?

No-one was shot 'while beating a police officer to death' because there was no incident where a police officer was 'beaten to death'. Officer Sicknick was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher thrown from the crowd. He was also pepper sprayed. He collapsed and died some time later, almost undoubtedly as a result of that.

Reasonable looks at the statistics suggest that you're incorrect.

Remember, the DoJ has done plenty or reports on Police Departments that are overwhelmingly white (e.g. Ferguson PD); and the FBI has declared that there is a real and credible threat of white supremacists in law enforcement. After all, they're arresting plenty of white police officers for storming the Capitol by force, you don't hear of many black police officers getting lifted at BLM protests.

Risk of being killed by police use of force in the United States by age, race–ethnicity, and sex

Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men in the United States. Over the life course, about 1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police. Risk of being killed by police peaks between the ages of 20 y and 35 y for men and women and for all racial and ethnic groups...

www.pnas.org

PS No offence, but when you insist "its all the victims' fault for being armed and resisting arrest" it does rather sound like "Rodney King and George Floyd got real uppity, needed taught a lesson, boah".

Interesting you should mention Ferguson. That started after claims of a racist police officer killing an unarmed black man who was surrendering. All of the evidence proved that the shooting was actually a result of Michael Brown's unprovoked violent attack on the officer and all the 'hands up don't shoot' stuff was lies.

If you want to discuss the facts of these incidents then I have no problem with that. It is literally what I do for a living. If you want to discuss made up emotional crap you have got from Twitter or similar I will give it a miss.

 

[shouldknowbetter]

Oh, I see.

So you're claiming that it was losing a majority in the House which forced him to disband the pandemic response unit, and to lie about the severity of the epidemic. It was the Democrats that made him spout sh!te about hydroxychloroquine, or to suggest that scientists should shine "really strong lights" inside people?

He made an arse of it because he's fundamentally incompetent. You can't bribe or bully an epidemic, and 400,000 American citizens have paid the price as a result - particularly the stupid ones who seem to think that simple practices like wearing a mask are somehow unpatriotic...

Look, I get you really don’t like Trump and think he’s incompetent. You’ve got your point across. However, for all those failings you detail the USA is only 10th in the world for deaths per capita by country. The UK is third.

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths by country were highest in Belgium, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 200 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

So for all those failings Trump did better than the U.K. That make you proud? Many well developed nations have very similar statistics which says to me if you cannot lock your country down entirely there is very little you can do to subdue the virus.

And no I didn’t say anything that you said. I said that there is very little the President is allowed to do in a country the size of the US that would have had much effect. Even if he’d said wear masks people would have ignored it. They do in the U.K. Individual States did mask mandates and it had little effect. Other than some idiots in the news (and wasn’t that the wife murdering the husband or did I dream that) did anybody die because he questioned whether hydroxychloraquine might help? Or bright light? Did it kill anyone? The pandemic response unit personnel were just quietly moved elsewhere in the organisation. They still existed with their knowledge.

So here is what I am saying. From the data available the US is doing no worse and a little better than multiple other nations despite its size and population. It is my contention that the bad things you point to obviously had very little effect on the pandemic and it’s outcome. Unless you can point to things he should and could have done rather than those he shouldn’t have done I will remain of the opinion that the President of the US has very little input to a countrywide issue like this pandemic as the vast vast majority of the control of response is with the Governors who jealously guard it. You bemoan the death of 400,000 Americans but it is my belief that just as much of the responsibility for those deaths lie at the door of utterly incompetent Governors and State politicians.

If he’d been more affable from the start of his presidency would it have helped. No I do not believe it would as his opposition would not have cut him any slack. The only thing there would have been if he’d gone in hard for controls he’d now be in the right and them in the wrong because they would have opposed him regardless of the merits of what he said.

I believe that in the wash up of this situation, if it ever comes to a real end, there will be very few politicians who come out of it without having mistakes pointed out to them and being told they’re responsible for deaths. In that, I think, despite your utter disdain for the man, Trump has been no better or worse than many of them and the statistics demonstrate that.

So you carry on believing all the deaths are Trumps fault and I’ll carry on believing he did what he could within a shitty situation and guess what? The world will keep spinning. But please, for the love of god, stop putting words in my mouth. I am more than capable of saying what I think without your help.

 

[Steamboat]

You are right, it wasn't. I have spent an entire summer watching crowds, most of them linked to BLM, attacking Federal buildings and police stations. There has been no incident where there was 'dead rioters everywhere'. So there was no reason for me to expect it this time. That includes incidents where police were shot at by rioters, had fireworks and pipe bombs thrown at them and where attempts were made to burn buildings down with cops inside them.



No-one was shot 'while beating a police officer to death' because there was no incident where a police officer was 'beaten to death'. Officer Sicknick was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher thrown from the crowd. He was also pepper sprayed. He collapsed and died some time later, almost undoubtedly as a result of that.



Interesting you should mention Ferguson. That started after claims of a racist police officer killing an unarmed black man who was surrendering. All of the evidence proved that the shooting was actually a result of Michael Brown's unprovoked violent attack on the officer and all the 'hands up don't shoot' stuff was lies.

If you want to discuss the facts of these incidents then I have no problem with that. It is literally what I do for a living. If you want to discuss made up emotional crap you have got from Twitter or similar I will give it a miss.

What the left doesn't want to mention is that the angels who manage to get themselves slotted by LE, were breaking laws which required LE to intervene.

Gravel goes on to mention peaceful Mike Brown who was gunned down by racist cops, but fails to mention that the individual was assaulting the officer and trying to disarm him.

 

[Tedsson]

Brethren, at stressful times like this we need to remember dear departed Donny and reflect on the four years of his ministry and the year before that when he was working among the unbelievers.

So, in the spirit of Genesis let us go back to the beginning.

In the early days of his wandering in the wilderness he offered succour to the children of the world, following the words of jeezus to suffer the children.

So he had the Freedom Kids sing at his campaign rallies:

Due to a misunderstanding of the words of jeezus he made them suffer by not paying them until they sued him.

Verily the grifting and knocking was good in the eyes of the lord.

 

[finnisharrse]

My Country tis of thee or similar. Same tune different words

Thank you!

 

[Tappet]

My Country tis of thee or similar. Same tune different words

They were just warming up for when Biden Surrenders the country back to it's rightful monarch.

The stuff Ipso Facto / Maalox / other assorted mentalists believe, was all just part of a false flag operation. The USA will have socialised medicine and an understanding of sarcasm before the year is out.

 

[Joker62]

They were just warming up for when Biden Surrenders the country back to it's rightful monarch.

The stuff Ipso Facto / Maalox / other assorted mentalists believe, was all just part of a false flag operation. The USA will have socialised medicine and an understanding of sarcasm before the year is out.

I see you've started with the easy stuff. The sports side will be a lot harder, trying to convince them that baseball is rounders, football is played with a round ball and no body armour will take at least a couple of years.

 

[Steamboat]

They were just warming up for when Biden Surrenders the country back to it's rightful monarch.

The stuff Ipso Facto / Maalox / other assorted mentalists believe, was all just part of a false flag operation. The USA will have socialised medicine and an understanding of sarcasm before the year is out.

Hold on a moment, we can't even pay the peasants the bribe money that was promised for votes. If we throw in an impeachment, with a revolution to follow soon you might have to wait until 2023 before we achieve sarcasm...

 

[dogmeat]

As an easy example... you watched the mobs storming the Capitol, and your first thought wasn't "if that was BLM, there would be dead rioters everywhere"?

Yeah, just like all the cities where violent BLM and Antifa rioting mobs burn down the local properties and terrorise the inhabitants.

Oh, wait...

 

[TXSapper]

As an easy example... you watched the mobs storming the Capitol, and your first thought wasn't "if that was BLM, there would be dead rioters everywhere"? Isn't it amazing how few rioters were shot while beating a police officer to death; you don't think that their "training and policing culture" might be... slightly biased?


Reasonable looks at the statistics suggest that you're incorrect.

Remember, the DoJ has done plenty or reports on Police Departments that are overwhelmingly white (e.g. Ferguson PD); and the FBI has declared that there is a real and credible threat of white supremacists in law enforcement. After all, they're arresting plenty of white police officers for storming the Capitol by force, you don't hear of many black police officers getting lifted at BLM protests.

Risk of being killed by police use of force in the United States by age, race–ethnicity, and sex

Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men in the United States. Over the life course, about 1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police. Risk of being killed by police peaks between the ages of 20 y and 35 y for men and women and for all racial and ethnic groups...

www.pnas.org

PS No offence, but when you insist "its all the victims' fault for being armed and resisting arrest" it does rather sound like "Rodney King and George Floyd got real uppity, needed taught a lesson, boah".

You dont hear of many people being lifted during these BLM protests riots.

 

[terminal]

But what does that say about trump, people saying ‘I’d vote for anyone as long as it’s not trump?’

Trump has so tightly linked his policies to his personal political "brand" that it's hard to separate the American public's perception of Trump's personality from Trump's policies. Given that, I wouldn't care to guess how the American voter would react if the same political platform were to be adopted by someone who was less "colourful".

We also need to remember that Trump lost the popular vote in the 2016 election as well. More people voted for Clinton in 2016 than voted for Trump. Trump won the election only because the peculiarities of the American electoral system meant that he could still be president provided he had the right votes in the right place despite "losing" the election in terms of how many people actually voted for him. This time around those quirks didn't work in his favour and when he lost the popular vote he also lost the election. In neither election did he actually win the most votes.

 

[terminal]

My Country tis of thee or similar. Same tune different words

The US "Star Spangled Banner", which I believe is their national anthem, is actually an English drinking song with new words.

The Anacreontic Song - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To Anacreon, in Heav’n, where he sat in full glee,
A few sons of harmony sent a petition,
That he their inspirer and patron would be;
When this answer arrived from the jolly old Grecian —
Voice, fiddle and flute, no longer be mute.
I’ll lend ye my name, and inspire you to boot,
And, besides, I’ll instruct you, like me, to entwine,
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s vine.
— CHORUS —


The news through Olympus immediately flew;
When Old Thunder pretended to give himself airs —
If these mortals are suffer’d their scheme to pursue,
The devil a goddess will stay above stairs.
Hark! already they cry in transports of joy.
Away to the Sons of Anacreon we’ll fly…
And there with good fellows, we’ll learn to entwine,
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s vine.
— CHORUS —


The yellow-hair’d god, and his nine fusty maids,
From Helicon’s banks will incontinent flee.
Idalia will boast but of tenantless shades,
And the biforked hill a mere desert will be.
My Thunder, no fear on’t shall soon do its errand,
And dam’me! I’ll swing the ringleaders, I warrant.
I’ll trim the young dogs for thus daring to twine,
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s vine.
— CHORUS —


Apollo rose up; and said, Pr’ythee ne’er quarrel,
Good King of the gods, with my vot’ries below!
Your thunder is useless — then, shewing his laurel,
Cry’d, Sic evitabile fulmen, you know!
Then over each head my laurels I’ll spread;
So my sons from your crackers no mischief shall dread,
Whilst snug in their club-room, they jovially twine,
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s vine.
— CHORUS —


Next Momus got up, with his risible phiz;
And swore with Apollo he’d cheerfully join —
The full tide of harmony still shall be his,
But the song, and the catch, and the laugh shall be mine;
Then, Jove, be not jealous of these honest fellows.
Cry’d Jove, We relent, since the truth you now tell us;
And swear by Old Styx that they long shall entwine,
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s vine.
— CHORUS —


Ye sons of Anacreon, then, join hand in hand;
Preserve unanimity, friends and love.
‘Tis your’s to support what’s so happily plan’d;
You’ve the sanction of gods, and the fiat of Jove.
While thus we agree, our toast let it be.
May our club flourish happy, united, and free!
And long may the sons of Anacreon entwine,
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s vine.
— CHORUS —

 

[endure]

The US "Star Spangled Banner", which I believe is their national anthem, is actually an English drinking song with new words.

The Anacreontic Song - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To Anacreon, in Heav’n, where he sat in full glee,
A few sons of harmony sent a petition,
That he their inspirer and patron would be;
When this answer arrived from the jolly old Grecian —
Voice, fiddle and flute, no longer be mute.
I’ll lend ye my name, and inspire you to boot,
And, besides, I’ll instruct you, like me, to entwine,
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s vine.
— CHORUS —


The news through Olympus immediately flew;
When Old Thunder pretended to give himself airs —
If these mortals are suffer’d their scheme to pursue,
The devil a goddess will stay above stairs.
Hark! already they cry in transports of joy.
Away to the Sons of Anacreon we’ll fly…
And there with good fellows, we’ll learn to entwine,
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s vine.
— CHORUS —


The yellow-hair’d god, and his nine fusty maids,
From Helicon’s banks will incontinent flee.
Idalia will boast but of tenantless shades,
And the biforked hill a mere desert will be.
My Thunder, no fear on’t shall soon do its errand,
And dam’me! I’ll swing the ringleaders, I warrant.
I’ll trim the young dogs for thus daring to twine,
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s vine.
— CHORUS —


Apollo rose up; and said, Pr’ythee ne’er quarrel,
Good King of the gods, with my vot’ries below!
Your thunder is useless — then, shewing his laurel,
Cry’d, Sic evitabile fulmen, you know!
Then over each head my laurels I’ll spread;
So my sons from your crackers no mischief shall dread,
Whilst snug in their club-room, they jovially twine,
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s vine.
— CHORUS —


Next Momus got up, with his risible phiz;
And swore with Apollo he’d cheerfully join —
The full tide of harmony still shall be his,
But the song, and the catch, and the laugh shall be mine;
Then, Jove, be not jealous of these honest fellows.
Cry’d Jove, We relent, since the truth you now tell us;
And swear by Old Styx that they long shall entwine,
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s vine.
— CHORUS —


Ye sons of Anacreon, then, join hand in hand;
Preserve unanimity, friends and love.
‘Tis your’s to support what’s so happily plan’d;
You’ve the sanction of gods, and the fiat of Jove.
While thus we agree, our toast let it be.
May our club flourish happy, united, and free!
And long may the sons of Anacreon entwine,
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s vine.
— CHORUS —

So they stole both of them from us?

 

[dogmeat]

So they stole both of them from us?

They did give us the Monty Python theme in exchange.

 

[Carbon 6]

Michele Anne Tittler seems to be rather strange.

She is actually from the planet Arcturus (which is actually a star, but never mind, we can let that one go) and her name is Lumia (light, obviously). She has a video of such mind-numbing stupidity it is difficult not to think it is a wind-up (satanic lizards, cannibals, Hitler/Bill gates/Uncle Tom Cobbley are all Rothschilds ad nauseum) as it encompasses nearly every bit of mental wibble you can think of.

It really has to be seen (more to be laughed at than anything else). Fill your boots:

I assume Dipso Fucktup thinks it is a documentary.

There is a Canadian Michelle Tittler who is a racist troll and has had several run-ins with the RCMP for posting race hate wibblevids.

There is another one who appears to be a lighting/camera person for film and TV. Lumia?

Difficult to say whether she is for real (so to speak) or trolling for lolz and the wind-up.

However, in the true spirit of @don't tell him pike I would.

That was a waste of 15 seconds of my life.

 

[tommikka]

That was a waste of 15 seconds of my life.

You lied
By saying 15 seconds I thought it might be worth a click ..... the whole video is 15 minutes
You have just wasted 5 seconds of my life