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The Trump Presidency...

Tesla's business model has centred around extracting subsidies from governments. I don't know if they could have lasted as long as they have without the subsidies.

When they started out they were well ahead of a lot of the rest of the industry in terms of the electric power pack and drive train. But then again, it wasn't economic without the subsidies and it was still a very niche market.

California was probably the best place to start to sell electric cars though, as they have a lot of nouveau riche who are willing to spend money to show off that they are rich and "care about the environment".

I haven't seen many Teslas as they are rare as hen's teeth around here, but from what I have read about them the build quality is very poor. As other, more mainstream manufacturers sell more and more electric cars Tesla's market advantage will erode.

Tesla are a luxury brand, and their closest competitors would be companies such as Jaguar or Audi. A Jaguar IPace is in the same price bracket as a mid range Tesla, and from all reports that I've seen is a much better car.

I like the general idea of a battery powered electric car, but the price of battery packs is going to have to come down drastically before they are something the average person can afford to buy.

Maybe the pricing in Canada is different, but the Tesla model 3 starts at $38K (US). Jag I Pace starts at $70K. Damned near two Tesla model 3s for the price of the Jag.

But it’s probably like Audi, you can get an A5 for ~$40K. But none on the dealer lots for that, because they have all manner of options, making them $50K.
 
Noted recent lack of Trump's Media warriors defending the indefensible.... probably all called in by the National Guard to defend Government buildings from Trump supporters.
 
Two latest tales concerning the Fall of the Trumpian Empire:

1. The great leader wants a departure ceremony when he leaves the White House. Due to a lack of event pre-planning by anyone else he has decide to instruct his minions what he wants. Apparently a 21 gun salute and a red carpet would be adequete.

2. The bigger rumour is that he is going to bugger off in Air Force 1 on the morning of the inauguration whilst the plane is technically his. The pretext for his buggering off is to visit a military base to do a final review of the troops. Effectively poking the finger at Biden by depriving him of the plane for a while.
There is precedent for some of that, although President Trump has only himself to blame for any lack of planning for his departure. After the inauguration ceremony the Obamas were escorted by President Trump and the First Lady onto Marine One which (with callsign changed) flew the Obamas to Andrews AFB where they were received with appropriate ceremony and invited guests. They then boarded via red carpet onto Air Force One (again callsign changed) which took them to California.

While checking the above I noticed the traditional letter which Obama left on the Resolute Desk for his successor, and later came into the public domain. My bold:
Dear Mr. President -
Congratulations on a remarkable run. Millions have placed their hopes in you, and all of us, regardless of party, should hope for expanded prosperity and security during your tenure.
This is a unique office, without a clear blueprint for success, so I don't know that any advice from me will be particularly helpful. Still, let me offer a few reflections from the past 8 years. ...
Third, we are just temporary occupants of this office. That makes us guardians of those democratic institutions and traditions -- like rule of law, separation of powers, equal protection and civil liberties -- that our forebears fought and bled for. Regardless of the push and pull of daily politics, it's up to us to leave those instruments of our democracy at least as strong as we found them. ...
 
I can’t possibly imagine why black people in America should be angry, nope, can’t...


oh wait, slavery, KKK, Jim Crow, KKK again, more Jim Crow, White Supremacists....

Slavery started(in that they refused to ban it in the Declaration of Independence) and maintained under Democrats in the US post 1784

Civil war started by democrats who wanted to keep blacks as property firing on the Union

Republicans fought to free Blacks and banned Slavery

Ku Klux Klan FOUNDED by Democrats

Jim Crow? Democrats made those laws in the south

Changed sides? think again






Robert Byrd (Democratic Senator from West Virginia and Biden buddy) was a KKK member, recruiter and Klavern leader and wished the USA lose WW2 rather than he associate with blacks

I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.

— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), December1944


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Brotherton Lad

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There is precedent for some of that, although President Trump has only himself to blame for any lack of planning for his departure. After the inauguration ceremony the Obamas were escorted by President Trump and the First Lady onto Marine One which (with callsign changed) flew the Obamas to Andrews AFB where they were received with appropriate ceremony and invited guests. They then boarded via red carpet onto Air Force One (again callsign changed) which took them to California.

While checking the above I noticed the traditional letter which Obama left on the Resolute Desk for his successor, and later came into the public domain:


My brother in law, ex Fleet Air Arm Lynx pilot switched to fixed wing stuff, then flew the Obamas to Neckar Island for their post tour break with Richard Branson.
 
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I suspect Hell has a little back vent that regularly puffs its sulphur into this site. This way the Father of Lies keeps his minions, both conscious and unconscious, doing his nefarious bidding.
What make you think you aren't one of his minions?
 
I suspect I have been fighting for the agencies of good for 4 years.....must have been very hard for a Journalist to come back to (Home) USA from reporting Dictatorship/corruption in an African state and then see it happen on their doorstep.

But what is Trump going to do next?... unlike most tacticians that only burn the bridges behind them as they retreat, Donald has also managed to burn all the ones in front of him.
 
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Maybe the pricing in Canada is different, but the Tesla model 3 starts at $38K (US). Jag I Pace starts at $70K. Damned near two Tesla model 3s for the price of the Jag.

But it’s probably like Audi, you can get an A5 for ~$40K. But none on the dealer lots for that, because they have all manner of options, making them $50K.
That's why I said a "mid range Tesla" was comparable to a Jaguar iPace.

A Tesla Model S starts at $101,990 in Canada, while a Jaguar IPace starts at $91,000. An Audi e-tron starts at $85,600. More direct comparisons of price of course would require a combination of more detailed research plus personal preference, so I'll just say that this puts them all in the same price range and they will be selling to the same sort of customer. That sort of customer won't be the average person.

Tesla's cheapest car is their Model 3, which starts at $52,990 and goes up to $74,990. The top selling car in Canada is the Honda Civic (top seller for more than two decades now), and it starts at $23,400. The Model 3 might be Tesla's "cheapest" car, but it is far from cheap and isn't in anywhere near the price which is affordable by the average person in Canada. It's still in the luxury car price bracket.

Electric cars are at present a luxury product and a long, long, way from being affordable by the mainstream.
 
Sure ignore it when convenient, yet bring it up about Jim Crow, also old news
There is an awful lot more than just Jim Crow that 48% of the VOTING population will have to face.
 
2. The bigger rumour is that he is going to bugger off in Air Force 1 on the morning of the inauguration whilst the plane is technically his. The pretext for his buggering off is to visit a military base to do a final review of the troops. Effectively poking the finger at Biden by depriving him of the plane for a while.
This makes no sense since all the POTUS' since LBJ at least flew out on AF1 their last day.

Once Biden is sworn in as POTUS AF1 becomes SAM45 Special Air Mission 45 as its call sign

Same for Obama
Same for Bush 43
Same for Clinton
Same for Bush41
Same for Reagan, etc, etc.
 

OneTenner

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I suspect Hell has a little back vent that regularly puffs its sulphur into this site. This way the Father of Lies keeps his minions, both conscious and unconscious, doing his nefarious bidding.
Don't drag Damanbugs back into it!
 
Schmuck, show me one state where Jim Crow Laws are still in Effect?
Not one..... it's a very old repealed law.... either your a poorly educated American or an outside agency (FSB?) that doesn't do it's homework anymore... unlike the gold standard the KGB use to be..... I'm sure Putin, if seeing this post, will be less than impressed.
 
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Not one..... it's a very old repealed law.... either your a poorly educated American or an outside agency (FSB?) that doesn't do it's homework anymore... like the gold standard KGB use to do.
Oh the ******* Irony....

 
Schmuck, show me one state where Jim Crow Laws are still in Effect?
Not one..... it's a very old repealed law.... either your a poorly educated American or an outside agency that doesn't do it's homework anymore... like the KGB use to do.
Oh the ******* Irony....

Thats it?........................ a lack of your maturity on show.
 
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