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The Trump Presidency...

Did you spend a lot of your childhood carrying your football back to your bedroom ?
My working assumption is Biden will be President in 2021 and a host of legal challenges coming to light with new evidence, whistleblowers etc etc, all undermining his presidency and undercutting his legitimacy....
I was struck by a comment the President made awhile ago, around the rank-and-file of the FBI and other organisations and perhaps some of them, have decided to step up and raise a few questions of there own a bit earlier than I expected..

On mongs; this thread is heaving with them and its a bit of a cheek for some, to call out people who fall short of their high standards.
 

ABNredleg

War Hero
We've been down this road before, and usually the proof that is presented is that someone is registered to vote in two states. WHICH IS NOT ILLEGAL. What is illegal is VOTING in two states. Americans are very mobile, and when moving to a different state they very rarely cancel their registration. That's why all states have a process to purge inactive voters - this usually consists of missing a couple of elections and the state mailing a notification.

This is just Project Crosscheck all over again.

In his role as Kansas Secretary of State, Kobach directed the Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program,[163] which compared state records to find people possibly registered to vote in more than one place. The program had been launched in 2005 by a predecessor of Kobach, Republican Ron Thornburgh.[164] From 2011 until the program's temporary suspension in early 2018, Kobach oversaw its rapid expansion to 30 states.

The program was dogged with accusations of voter suppression enabled by its primitive data matching. According to the New York Times, "The program searches for double registrations using only voters' first and last names and date of birth, and it generates thousands of false matches—John Smith in Kansas can easily be confused with John Smith in Iowa."[140][165] Due to its tendency to produce false matches, the program could be implemented to suppress the vote and wrongly remove legitimate voters from voter rolls.[140][166]

The large numbers of false positives produced by the program led to sensational and misleading headlines: for example, 35,750 voters in the 2012 North Carolina general election matched with voters with supposedly identical voters in other states, but upon close investigation only "eight cases of potential double voting were referred to prosecutors and two people were convicted."[140] A 2016 paper by researchers at Stanford, Harvard, Yale and the University of Pennsylvania found that if the program were fully implemented "200 legitimate voters may be impeded from voting for every double vote stopped."[140] By 2017, doubts over the accuracy of Crosscheck had led four states to withdraw from the program.
 
We've been down this road before, and usually the proof that is presented is that someone is registered to vote in two states. WHICH IS NOT ILLEGAL. What is illegal is VOTING in two states. Americans are very mobile, and when moving to a different state they very rarely cancel their registration. That's why all states have a process to purge inactive voters - this usually consists of missing a couple of elections and the state mailing a notification.

This is just Project Crosscheck all over again.

In his role as Kansas Secretary of State, Kobach directed the Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program,[163] which compared state records to find people possibly registered to vote in more than one place. The program had been launched in 2005 by a predecessor of Kobach, Republican Ron Thornburgh.[164] From 2011 until the program's temporary suspension in early 2018, Kobach oversaw its rapid expansion to 30 states.

The program was dogged with accusations of voter suppression enabled by its primitive data matching. According to the New York Times, "The program searches for double registrations using only voters' first and last names and date of birth, and it generates thousands of false matches—John Smith in Kansas can easily be confused with John Smith in Iowa."[140][165] Due to its tendency to produce false matches, the program could be implemented to suppress the vote and wrongly remove legitimate voters from voter rolls.[140][166]

The large numbers of false positives produced by the program led to sensational and misleading headlines: for example, 35,750 voters in the 2012 North Carolina general election matched with voters with supposedly identical voters in other states, but upon close investigation only "eight cases of potential double voting were referred to prosecutors and two people were convicted."[140] A 2016 paper by researchers at Stanford, Harvard, Yale and the University of Pennsylvania found that if the program were fully implemented "200 legitimate voters may be impeded from voting for every double vote stopped."[140] By 2017, doubts over the accuracy of Crosscheck had led four states to withdraw from the program.

Thanks for the reply and explanation. As I said on the previous page the involvement of the FBI should put the claims to bed once and for all so we can then look at the next four years under Biden and Harris.
 
Thanks for the reply and explanation. As I said on the previous page the involvement of the FBI should put the claims to bed once and for all so we can then look at the next four years under Biden and Harris.
It won't though. Because you can't prove a negative, and Trump has already poisoned the waters with his wild lies about the DoJ and FBI not stopping (non- existent) fraud during the election.

So all the Culties will just assume the FBI investigation is a cover up. .
 
We've been down this road before, and usually the proof that is presented is that someone is registered to vote in two states. WHICH IS NOT ILLEGAL. What is illegal is VOTING in two states. Americans are very mobile, and when moving to a different state they very rarely cancel their registration. That's why all states have a process to purge inactive voters - this usually consists of missing a couple of elections and the state mailing a notification.

This is just Project Crosscheck all over again.

In his role as Kansas Secretary of State, Kobach directed the Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program,[163] which compared state records to find people possibly registered to vote in more than one place. The program had been launched in 2005 by a predecessor of Kobach, Republican Ron Thornburgh.[164] From 2011 until the program's temporary suspension in early 2018, Kobach oversaw its rapid expansion to 30 states.

The program was dogged with accusations of voter suppression enabled by its primitive data matching. According to the New York Times, "The program searches for double registrations using only voters' first and last names and date of birth, and it generates thousands of false matches—John Smith in Kansas can easily be confused with John Smith in Iowa."[140][165] Due to its tendency to produce false matches, the program could be implemented to suppress the vote and wrongly remove legitimate voters from voter rolls.[140][166]

The large numbers of false positives produced by the program led to sensational and misleading headlines: for example, 35,750 voters in the 2012 North Carolina general election matched with voters with supposedly identical voters in other states, but upon close investigation only "eight cases of potential double voting were referred to prosecutors and two people were convicted."[140] A 2016 paper by researchers at Stanford, Harvard, Yale and the University of Pennsylvania found that if the program were fully implemented "200 legitimate voters may be impeded from voting for every double vote stopped."[140] By 2017, doubts over the accuracy of Crosscheck had led four states to withdraw from the program.
No fraud - its a cry, that is quite patently ridiculous as something must exist, because humans are flawed.
No evidence of fraud - is hardly convincing, if the people shouting it would like it to be so.
The fraud won't effect the result - far more persuasive, but undermined by the very lack of evidence.

For once I agree with Hectors previous, because trust is at an all time low. The quickest easiest way to map an exit on this, is the Trump Team get to pick one county and bring in the army to count and verify every ballot by hand to determine, if the rejection rate is correct, all persons are legal and that would probably shut all this down and let Biden get on with his Presidency.
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
No fraud - its a cry, that is quite patently ridiculous as something must exist, because humans are flawed.
No evidence of fraud - is hardly convincing, if the people shouting it would like it to be so.
The fraud won't effect the result - far more persuasive, but undermined by the very lack of evidence.

For once I agree with Hectors previous, because trust is at an all time low. The quickest easiest way to map an exit on this, is the Trump Team get to pick one county and bring in the army to count and verify every ballot by hand to determine, if the rejection rate is correct, all persons are legal and that would probably shut all this down and let Biden get on with his Presidency.
There have already been any number of recounts. They've all come to the general conclusion that things were above board. And there's a reason for that.

The Dominion machines (which are NOT connected to the internet) work in the following way: The voter types in her/his choices. The machine spits out a paper copy. The voter checks the copy to make sure that it corresponds to what she/he typed into the machine. The voter then takes that copy to the counter and it is entered as a vote. If the final tally of votes registered by the machine and the paper copies don't match, then something has gone wrong somewhere and the "error" is immediately looked into by the adjudicating team (which consists of both Republicans and Democrats on an equal basis). To date, there have been no claims of "uneven tallies" anywhere in the US. So, at least according to you and the other conspirators, the "fraud" must be somewhere else. Is that right?

MsG
 
Reading all this drivel it dawned on me that Emong is basing his wibble on the Russian criminal system where there are detectives, investigators (usually lawyers, a bit like the French examining magistrate) and prosecutors.

By the time a Soviet case comes to court it has indeed been thoroughly investigated and the guilty bastard is only sent to court and marched in for a formal conviction.

And then thrown out the window.
Strange how someone like, oh I dunno, Ecommiecon, who purports to not be a stinking Russkie, knows so much about their massively corrupt system. Very odd, I can't imagine how that could be.
 
There have already been any number of recounts. They've all come to the general conclusion that things were above board. And there's a reason for that.

The Dominion machines (which are NOT connected to the internet) work in the following way: The voter types in her/his choices. The machine spits out a paper copy. The voter checks the copy to make sure that it corresponds to what she/he typed into the machine. The voter then takes that copy to the counter and it is entered as a vote. If the final tally of votes registered by the machine and the paper copies don't match, then something has gone wrong somewhere and the "error" is immediately looked into by the adjudicating team (which consists of both Republicans and Democrats on an equal basis). To date, there have been no claims of "uneven tallies" anywhere in the US. So, at least according to you and the other conspirators, the "fraud" must be somewhere else. Is that right?

MsG
Do you understand that recount means different things to different people...... In the US, its a recheck on the tabulation of results. Its not a hand count and recheck of each ballot. Christ my forged 3rd year comp sicknote had more checks, than vote in the US election.
 
I believe that's the whole point. Giuliani and his fellow frothers know for a fact that they've no evidence and they'll never have any. I think what they're trying to do with all their court cases is to sow as much doubt as possible about the validity of the election in folks' minds. It's laying the foundation for Dipshit Donny to be able to bang on for years about being the "real" president.

MsG

Possible, though I suspect Trump’s court actions are a knee jerk response and the ‘muddying the waters’ and the longer term questioning of the legitimacy of Biden’s election is an unintended outcome for Trump.
 
Do you understand that recount means different things to different people...... In the US, its a recheck on the tabulation of results. Its not a hand count and recheck of each ballot. Christ my forged 3rd year comp sicknote had more checks, than vote in the US election.

I reckon you’d be an interesting study into ‘people who ignore the bleeding obvious’ mentality.
 

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