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The Trump Presidency...

We hear this a lot from American politicians. It's a strong indicator that they have no knowledge of the relationship between the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom, and have got all their information from drunken songs in Irish bars sung by people who haven't had a link to Ireland (North or South) for generations.

You might like to read more here (and if you can get Biden and the rest of your politicans to as well, that would be good):


I'll point out this quite important statement from it, with the most important bits in bold:

"Irish nationals have a special status in UK law which is separate to and pre-dates the rights they have as EU citizens.

In short, the Republic of Ireland is not considered to be a ‘foreign country’ for the purpose of UK laws, and Irish citizens are not considered to be ‘aliens’. Furthermore, Irish citizens are treated as if they have permanent immigration permission to remain in the UK from the date they take up ‘ordinary residence’ here.

This special status affects Irish nationals’ rights across a number of areas, including eligibility for British citizenship, eligibility to vote and stand for election, and eligibility for certain welfare benefits. It is thought that, as a result, Irish nationals have more rights than other EU/ EEA nationals resident in the UK."
Here again is where you fail. It doesn’t matter what you say or write down. What matters is what people perceive you are going to do. In this case a hard border with Ireland just screams a” Trump wall “in the minds of the Dems. Which must not be allowed. If Biden already perceives BoJo to be an epic ****, then that perception will play a role in relations.
 

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Here again is where you fail. It doesn’t matter what you say or write down. What matters is what people perceive you are going to do. In this case a hard border with Ireland just screams a” Trump wall “in the minds of the Dems. Which must not be allowed. If Biden already perceives BoJo to be an epic ****, then that perception will play a role in relations.
You do know the only people claiming there will be a hard border is the EU and co of course? Oh you didn't. . .
 
If you followed the story you would have noted that he changed his story several times. It went from him stating that Hunter Biden dropped either one, two or three laptops off for repair onto a person claiming to be Hunter Biden and then to " I didn't actually see him because I'm legally blind to finally one of the laptops had a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it so it must have been Hunter Biden. He also wasn't clear on how many laptops there actually were, it was between one and three.

He may well have been an unwitting participant in one of the worst and ill thought out October surprise scams ever but as Rudy Giuliani was behind it would you expect anything less. if you use the base line of the truth only having one story he kind of brought this on himself. I suggested in a pre election day post that the Hunter Biden's laptop would cease to be a story on November the 3rd and it seems I was correct..
So all the pictures were NOT Hunter Biden and his various crack hoes? him playing with himself in the images released? funny hes not screaming for an investigation how someone got those images huh?
 

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In short, the Republic of Ireland is not considered to be a ‘foreign country’ for the purpose of UK laws, and Irish citizens are not considered to be ‘aliens’. Furthermore, Irish citizens are treated as if they have permanent immigration permission to remain in the UK from the date they take up ‘ordinary residence’ here.

This special status affects Irish nationals’ rights across a number of areas, including eligibility for British citizenship, eligibility to vote and stand for election, and eligibility for certain welfare benefits. It is thought that, as a result, Irish nationals have more rights than other EU/ EEA nationals resident in the UK."
[My bold in your post] It actually is the case that not only do Irish nationals have more rights than EU/EEA nationals resident in the UK, they also have more rights than UK citizens. But let me explain that using an example:

You are a UK citizen born and bred and you take up a position in another EU country and work there for, say, five years. Then you're made redundant and decide to return to the UK. However, you also can't find a job here either, so you apply for unemployment and housing benefit. But you won't get it because the authorities will claim that the "focus of your life" is no longer in the UK. You'll have to apply for a tribunal hearing and it could easily be anything up to three years before you attend and are eventually granted the benefits you originally applied for, although the tribunal will normally shorten the period. So if you had to wait for, say, two years, they'll only award you benefits backdated for 18 months or so. That way they save a bit.

This is all down to a whacky law passed by Maggie Twatcher, who wanted to prevent EU nationals coming from their native countries to the UK and applying for benefits straight away. Only the same law is also applied to UK citizens.

Irish nationals, on the other hand, can come to the UK and are immediately able to apply for those benefits. They don't even have to have any personal attachment to the UK, but they're still entitled to benefits. How about that for unfair, eh?

MsG
 
Here again is where you fail. It doesn’t matter what you say or write down. What matters is what people perceive you are going to do. In this case a hard border with Ireland just screams a” Trump wall “in the minds of the Dems. Which must not be allowed. If Biden already perceives BoJo to be an epic ****, then that perception will play a role in relations.
Did you read what I wrote.

Take your stupid USA USA hat off and learn something about the world outside your borders.

Biden will be schooled in reality when it comes to it. If he still won't learn he is as stupid as you are coming across.
 
You keep saying that. Maybe you are right. But maybe you are wrong.

Maybe Biden/Harris will be to busy dealing with a pandemic, a Democrat party civil war, building bridges with conservative America to get the economy going to give two hoots about the RoI/NI boarder?
 
You know a Biden admin will be more inclined to side with Berlin than London right?
Fair comment; Germany is the key player in the EU and so being closer to them means they can leverage the relationship.

We are rapidly becoming less relevant than before.
 
Maybe Biden/Harris will be to busy dealing with a pandemic, a Democrat party civil war, building bridges with conservative America to get the economy going to give two hoots about the RoI/NI boarder?
Foreign policy is the one area he will have a free hand in. Domestically his agenda looks to be a long shot on the home front.
 
Fair comment; Germany is the key player in the EU and so being closer to them means they can leverage the relationship.

We are rapidly becoming less relevant than before.
Biden is an internationalist and Boris is a fly in the ointment. The man is only President Elect and he has his fingers in the Brexit cookie jar.
 
Fair comment; Germany is the key player in the EU and so being closer to them means they can leverage the relationship.

We are rapidly becoming less relevant than before.
Despite Steamboats blinkered view of the world and U.K citizens normal habit of knocking anything British the figures would seem to suggest that Biden and Americans would need to be a set of absolute idiots to jeopardize $273 BILLION$'s worth of trade which keeps a shit ton of people in a job..

U.S. goods and services trade with United Kingdom totaled an estimated $273.0 billion in 2019. Exports were $147.4 billion; imports were $125.6 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with United Kingdom was $21.8 billion in 2019.

United Kingdom | United States Trade Representative​

 
Despite Steamboats blinkered view of the world and U.K citizens normal habit of knocking anything British the figures would seem to suggest that Biden and Americans would need to be a set of absolute idiots to jeopardize $273 BILLION$'s worth of trade which keeps a shit ton of people in a job..

U.S. goods and services trade with United Kingdom totaled an estimated $273.0 billion in 2019. Exports were $147.4 billion; imports were $125.6 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with United Kingdom was $21.8 billion in 2019.

United Kingdom | United States Trade Representative

I wonder how much of an impact Brexit is going to have on top on the Rona for the average British consumer? More taxes and less free money for extra stuff me thinks.
 
Despite Steamboats blinkered view of the world and U.K citizens normal habit of knocking anything British the figures would seem to suggest that Biden and Americans would need to be a set of absolute idiots to jeopardize $273 BILLION$'s worth of trade which keeps a shit ton of people in a job..

U.S. goods and services trade with United Kingdom totaled an estimated $273.0 billion in 2019. Exports were $147.4 billion; imports were $125.6 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with United Kingdom was $21.8 billion in 2019.

United Kingdom | United States Trade Representative

And compared to the EU?
 

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