The Trump Presidency...

[Civvy Scum]

A fool and his money...

 

[LordVonHarley]

Not wanting to split hairs but neither of you are using credible source material.

Pulling figures out of thin air or using pictures from biases sources on Twitter does not install much trust.

Do either of you have direct links to your figures?

 

[offog]

If Trump has pardoned Flynn what crime has he been pardoned of, because I thought he was innocent and framed by the FBI.

 

[Zemlyak]

Trump’s legacy is kicking in. More chance of Covid now spreading through church goers due to his SCOTUS pick:

Major shift at Supreme Court on Covid-19 orders

The Supreme Court voted 5-4 to bar New York state from reimposing limits on religious gatherings.

www.politico.com

 

[PhotEx]

Sadly many of the oldies won’t get to enjoy Thanksgiving with their families. Because they are unable to leave their homes or care facilities. Miserable way to be forced to spend your remaining years.

Another 200,000 won’t get to see inauguration day.

Trumps ‘awesome’ legacy.

 

[PhotEx]

Trump’s legacy is kicking in. More chance of Covid now spreading through church goers due to his SCOTUS pick:

Major shift at Supreme Court on Covid-19 orders

The Supreme Court voted 5-4 to bar New York state from reimposing limits on religious gatherings.

www.politico.com

Justice Amy Coney Barrett - a religious fanatic more suited to sitting in an Iranian religious court, than a western democracies court.

 

[ABNredleg]

Not wanting to split hairs but neither of you are using credible source material.

Pulling figures out of thin air or using pictures from biases sources on Twitter does not install much trust.

Do either of you have direct links to your figures?

It says PA Secretary of State is the source in the Tweet. Perhaps more telling, this was never argued in court, and I can't find reference to Rudy's claims until the last couple of days. If they were real, everyone would have be screaming the day counting stopped. The numbers are wrong.

More than 3M in Pennsylvania apply for mail-in ballots

Pennsylvania Early Voting Statistics

 

[ABNredleg]

Your likely missing the point that it was fixed on specific counties inside PA, whilst you've dumped the entire states return.

A mismatch this obvious would have been easy to prove in court - it was never argued.

 

[Drazyl]

Biden issues Boris Johnson with new Brexit warning, saying the UK's border with Ireland must remain open

Biden was echoing concerns from other senior Democrats that the prime minister's Brexit plans could result in the re-emergence of a border in Ireland.

www.businessinsider.com

Joe Biden: Hard Border on the Island of Ireland 'Just Not Right'

Perhaps these might help darling!

We hear this a lot from American politicians. It's a strong indicator that they have no knowledge of the relationship between the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom, and have got all their information from drunken songs in Irish bars sung by people who haven't had a link to Ireland (North or South) for generations.

You might like to read more here (and if you can get Biden and the rest of your politicans to as well, that would be good):

The Common Travel Area and the special status of Irish nationals in UK law - House of Commons Library

The Common Travel Area is a special travel zone between the Republic of Ireland and the UK, Isle of Man and Channel Islands. It dates back to the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922. This briefing focuses on how the CTA operates between the UK and the Republic of Ireland.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk

I'll point out this quite important statement from it, with the most important bits in bold:

"Irish nationals have a special status in UK law which is separate to and pre-dates the rights they have as EU citizens.

In short, the Republic of Ireland is not considered to be a ‘foreign country’ for the purpose of UK laws, and Irish citizens are not considered to be ‘aliens’. Furthermore, Irish citizens are treated as if they have permanent immigration permission to remain in the UK from the date they take up ‘ordinary residence’ here.

This special status affects Irish nationals’ rights across a number of areas, including eligibility for British citizenship, eligibility to vote and stand for election, and eligibility for certain welfare benefits. It is thought that, as a result, Irish nationals have more rights than other EU/ EEA nationals resident in the UK."

 

[LordVonHarley]

If Trump has pardoned Flynn what crime has he been pardoned of, because I thought he was innocent and framed by the FBI.

Convicted for lying to the FBI, but the investigation might not have been kosher.

With Biden in power the chances of Flynn appealing his conviction are sunk. The only way Trump can guarantee Flynn walks free is to pardon him.

Not sure is Flynn can still appeal at a later date (like in 4 years).

 

[PhotEx]

We hear this a lot from American politicians. It's a strong indicator that they have no knowledge of the relationship between the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom, and have got all their information from drunken songs in Irish bars sung by people who haven't had a link to Ireland (North or South) for generations.

You might like to read more here (and if you can get Biden and the rest of your politicans to as well, that would be good):

The Common Travel Area and the special status of Irish nationals in UK law - House of Commons Library

The Common Travel Area is a special travel zone between the Republic of Ireland and the UK, Isle of Man and Channel Islands. It dates back to the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922. This briefing focuses on how the CTA operates between the UK and the Republic of Ireland.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk

I'll point out this quite important statement from it, with the most important bits in bold:

"Irish nationals have a special status in UK law which is separate to and pre-dates the rights they have as EU citizens.

In short, the Republic of Ireland is not considered to be a ‘foreign country’ for the purpose of UK laws, and Irish citizens are not considered to be ‘aliens’. Furthermore, Irish citizens are treated as if they have permanent immigration permission to remain in the UK from the date they take up ‘ordinary residence’ here.

This special status affects Irish nationals’ rights across a number of areas, including eligibility for British citizenship, eligibility to vote and stand for election, and eligibility for certain welfare benefits. It is thought that, as a result, Irish nationals have more rights than other EU/ EEA nationals resident in the UK."

it’s all true, but don’t be confusing the ‘I’m Oirish - my Great, great, great, grand grandfather emigrated to Boston in 1945 - Americans’ with facts.

 

[Emcon Ecomcon]

A mismatch this obvious would have been easy to prove in court - it was never argued.

It was been argued yesterday in the PA Hearings. But crucially, the Trump team really is heath robinson in nature and it needs a proper team of investigators from the state/federal level, to mobilise and put the people in charge under oath, to explain anomalies and then do a proper background investigation to determine if the person is lying or not.

We knew in advance they were going to be issues and I am only surprised the FBI and other agencies don't seem to have had any clandestine operations in place.. We are where we are now and the only way to prove beyond any doubt that the election was safe, would have been to indulge Trump and actually do the legwork.

The alternative to conspiracy theory is the equally empty headed debunking operation, that pretends no damage has been done, or perhaps some, but who cares so long as we got the removal of an orange man.

 

[bob_the_bomb]

Socialism; is internationalist in spirit and discourages nationalism.. The Free Market has used that spirit to sell out the nation and it was recognised at the time, but nobody believed it and to some extent didn't care given the profits, but it still immoral.

Obama had already shifted the military eastwards, Trump just started to address the economic nationalism argument and clearly has public backing, why Biden was waffling on about it in the election campaign.

Summary:-
The US and lesser extent UK, suffered enormous economic defeats and hollowed out our economies to the bone over thirty years and service jobs only exist today, so long as China and the ROW doesn't replace them.. Defending those defeats shows how out of touch you really are.

Read those first two sentences again...

 

[bob_the_bomb]

It was been argued yesterday in the PA Hearings. But crucially, the Trump team really is heath robinson in nature and it needs a proper team of investigators from the state/federal level, to mobilise and put the people in charge under oath, to explain anomalies and then do a proper background investigation to determine if the person is lying or not.

We knew in advance they were going to be issues and I am only surprised the FBI and other agencies don't seem to have had any clandestine operations in place.. We are where we are now and the only way to prove beyond any doubt that the election was safe, would have been to indulge Trump and actually do the legwork.

The alternative to conspiracy theory is the equally empty headed debunking operation, that pretends no damage has been done, or perhaps some, but who cares so long as we got the removal of an orange man.

It will be too late for Rudi if you don’t call him soon...it’s just amazing what you turn up when the entire Republican Party fails to do so.

 

[ABNredleg]

It was been argued yesterday in the PA Hearings. But crucially, the Trump team really is heath robinson in nature and it needs a proper team of investigators from the state/federal level, to mobilise and put the people in charge under oath, to explain anomalies and then do a proper background investigation to determine if the person is lying or not.

We knew in advance they were going to be issues and I am only surprised the FBI and other agencies don't seem to have had any clandestine operations in place.. We are where we are now and the only way to prove beyond any doubt that the election was safe, would have been to indulge Trump and actually do the legwork.

The alternative to conspiracy theory is the equally empty headed debunking operation, that pretends no damage has been done, or perhaps some, but who cares so long as we got the removal of an orange man.

The PA Hearings is not a judicial hearing, it is an informal meeting set up by a subset of very conservative Republicans after the PA legislative leaders refused to hold formal hearings. There were no rules of evidence at the hearings so they can say anything, which they did. The claim being made has not been argued in court.

As to the FBI, the Department of Justice had monitors in PA and they reported back that there was no evidence of fraud. Given that Barr was chomping at the bit to get the FBI involved, the fact that the FBI is not involved is significant. They are expert at analyzing elections and would have noticed unusual patterns.

 

[HectortheInspector]

The alternative to conspiracy theory is the equally empty headed debunking operation, that pretends no damage has been done, or perhaps some, but who cares so long as we got the removal of an orange man.

24 carat balls.

It is NOT an alternative "either you believe in one baseless CONSPIRACY theory" OR you believe in a "empty headed DEBUNKING" because that presumes that each is equally worthless.

That, sadly, is exactly the sort of intellectual amoral vacuum that Russia goes in for. There is no truth. There is only what the State says is the truth today.

A baseless conspiracy theory is both baseless and a theory. That is,it is a lie. A fantasy.

A debunking is the disqualification of a false theory.
You have to be spectacularly stupid to see that destruction of a lie is equally as worthless as spreading the lie.
Which makes you Steamboat, or a Russian.
Such strange bedfellows.

 

[LordVonHarley]

Read those first two sentences again...

Socialist (those wanting the community or people to control or regulate the means of production, for the good of the community) have used the Free Market (the economic system of unregulated/unrestricted completion between private companies to determine market prices for personal profit) to destroy nation states?

The Socialists did this to destroy the Nation State, who's very identity creates the community they are trying to protect?

That does not make sense.

 

[Emcon Ecomcon]

Socialist (those wanting the community or people to control or regulate the means of production, for the good of the community) have used the Free Market (the economic system of unregulated/unrestricted completion between private companies to determine market prices for personal profit) to destroy nation states?

The Socialists did this to destroy the Nation State, who's very identity creates the community they are trying to protect?

That does not make sense.

Socialists long ago decided the working classes weren't worth saving and why they've been on a drive to invent new oppressed minorities and the nation state is an obstacle to true equality and as such they're are entirely internationalist in nature and have climbed into bed with the free market to attain its own private goals.

 

[LordVonHarley]

It says PA Secretary of State is the source in the Tweet. Perhaps more telling, this was never argued in court, and I can't find reference to Rudy's claims until the last couple of days. If they were real, everyone would have be screaming the day counting stopped. The numbers are wrong.

More than 3M in Pennsylvania apply for mail-in ballots

Pennsylvania Early Voting Statistics

It's Twitter and users can put up anything they want. Some pictures will be true, some pictures will be fabricated.
For example Trump twitted that he won the election, but that does not make it true.

In the name of fact checking can we all try and use sources with links to source material?

 

[Emcon Ecomcon]

The PA Hearings is not a judicial hearing, it is an informal meeting set up by a subset of very conservative Republicans after the PA legislative leaders refused to hold formal hearings. There were no rules of evidence at the hearings so they can say anything, which they did. The claim being made has not been argued in court.

As to the FBI, the Department of Justice had monitors in PA and they reported back that there was no evidence of fraud. Given that Barr was chomping at the bit to get the FBI involved, the fact that the FBI is not involved is significant. They are expert at analyzing elections and would have noticed unusual patterns.

All very well, but if this stuff never reaches beyond a court hearing and the state employees are not subject to legal investigation and threatened with perjury, then we will never get to the bottom and bingo, your into the realms of smoke can be seen, but lets not investigate.

My view, unlike HectortheRussianDetector, is all sides lie to us and its up to the State to prove beyond reasonable doubt and by leaving things uninvestigated, you actually play into the hands of our enemies far more, than exposing fraud, or forensically proving all the conspiracy as bunk.