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The Trump Presidency...

Making shit up isn't a good look is it? I know you like to roll in it though

Whilst digging into facts You might want to check out how many patents Huawei have filed in the past decade. Then read what Snowden says about US hardware and the CIA. I'm certainly not defending the Chinese but I don't think imitating them in government is the way to go

That's a long version on "Mlaaaaar" isn't it?

How many patents they stole you mean, via the Confucious institutes and blackmail.
Hang on, isn't Snowden a David Ickey type...I knew it!
You naughty little conspiracy theorist you.

EDIT: Imitating them in government would be voting in Joe Biden, the sellout.
 
I'd rather they didn't, but if they must, let them get on with it. They will inevitably fail, and then we shall just rebuild.

I mean shit, the WH was burned in the War of 1812, this shit ain't new :)

The people of the US will beat it, one way or another, that I'm sure.
That bit of paper, that "idea" (Sorry Joe) in the museum vault is worth it.
 
"Systemic Racism" is the equivalent of "Original Sin" in the present day Left's religion; it conveniently justifies everything.

Same with "Class Struggle" in Communism, etc. It's a vague, yet all-encompassing concept that everyone is supposed to regard as really important (while no one ever seems to fully understand it) so that the self-appointed "interpreters" of the concept also get to be regarded as important and given money, social position, and the power to denounce anyone they don't like or disagree with.

Everyone has to be constantly reminded of how terrible the world is, so that they (leftist pseudo-intellectuals and moral crusader types) can sell themselves as the only ones who can fix it.
 
An interesting take on the election outcome.
An absolute must-watch if you want to see what's around the corner It's not all Trump neither (he calls him out)
He covers every angle and most events of late.


Shitsstorm it will be.
 
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Do you have insurance in the U.S?

Yes

Before I had dental insurance, I had similar bills. Since then - about 10-15% is what I pay. And the quality of the care is head and shoulders on what I received in the Uk and by MIL dentists. Do they try and up sell you... every time. Is dealing with insurance billing a pain - 100%.

Oh no, I have dental insurance. But, as you know dental policies only have a given annual payout value. Mine is around $1500 - $2000 annually, every time I visit the dentist the cost of the treatment is taken off the remaining balance. I like to know what I am paying for treatment through my insurance provider because at the end of the day I am the customer.

Me and my circle - we all work hard. My mother is blown away by the quality of the care here. It’s not cheap, but it’s superior.

We could discuss that at length sometime.

If the NHS is so good, why did you have to go to Germany? I bet a similar procedure would have been multiple years waiting. You saved $5k dealing with the German healthcare system ( probably subsidized by German taxpayers).

I have lived in the USA so therefore I do not legally qualify for free NHS treatment in the UK, neither do you.

I can afford it so I went to Germany to see the people who invented the procedure, are the best at the procedure, and teach the procedure to all the other Docs around the planet.

Experiences obviously differ, but zero is impressive about the NHS, apart from no point of contact billing. But everytime someone pays that exorbitant VAT and the crimp on the economy, so someone else can reap the benefit of the system- what’s the cost?

I worked it out once that it was costing the highest national insurance payer around 65 quid a month for them and their family to benefit from the NHS.

The U.S model is a capitalist model vs the NHS as a socialist. Thank **** we have a choice (we are lucky) I will stick with my current one.

TBH for a capitalist system where Dr.s are charging a fortune for their time and comparatively limited experience the customer care and handling is shite, and to be honest absolutely no better than most small town NHS hospitals. I used to use the private Three Shires Hospital, Northampton, the Spire Hospital in Leicester, and the Spire Hospital in Harpenden. I was an experienced user of private medicine before I arrived in the USA and I am sadly disappointed by what is on offer here. Somewhere I even have a letter sent to me by the world famous (their description, not mine) may0 Clinic telling me never to darken their door again.

The May0 incident was a fcuk up from start to finish. I had a 14.00hrs appointment for which I arrived early, in fact early enough to have lunch before hand. I reported for my appointment half an hour before it was due and I was told that the Dr was not on site that day and I would be seeing another Dr. At 17.30hrs. Imagine how impressed I was, I asked them why they had not phoned to re-schedule, blank looks all around on their side.

When I eventually got to see the substitute Dr., (remember a Dr in the world famous may0 Clinic) at 17.45hrs he wandered in with my file in his hand and asked me how my tennis elbow was. Funnily enough I was there for a problem with the middle finger of my right hand, not tennis elbow - I pointed this out to him. Anyway, at the end of the consult he tells me his assistant will call to arrange a time for the procedure. Next day I get a call (remember I want a procedure on the middle finger of my right hand) to arrange a time for the procedure on the ring finger of my left hand.

I used lots of short four letter words calling the Dr.'s competence into doubt and mentioned things like reporting him to the State medical board. A couple of days later I received a signed for, Fedex delivered letter telling me to stay away from the May0 for life.

Then there was the senior whatever they call consultants in the US who was going to take an ultrasound guided biopsy from a suspect growth in my thyroid. He couldn't even prepare a sterile field properly, I told him to do it again properly or fcuk off because he was not going to stick potentially contaminated needles into me. He played the big important Dr. so I got up off the op table in my gown, told him to fcuk off and walked out to get changed.

You see @SOCALSapper I spent a year receiving medical training in two UK hospitals and a couple of other places. I know what a good Dr looks like and I still know what some of the basic procedures look like, so I don't take shit or poor drills from these overcharging *********. Add to that the fact that the Mrs does HR and has been responsible for negotiating the entire corporate healthcare insurance for a couple of financial companies here in the US (she is actually going through the annual process at the moment). The high level brokers and providers she deals with have taught her a few tricks about US healthcare provision - I won't say system, because there is no system.

I like living in the US, but unless the medical system changes to something better by the time I retire I shall be buggering off to Spain, or the South of France. I don't want to pay everything I have tucked away to some Dr. if I get ill in old age, and lets be honest, in the USA the main reason for personal bankruptcy is medical costs. And, by medical costs I don't just mean people who do not have insurance, we have a reasonably good policy so we are fine, but other people have policies where they have to pay a significant % of the cost out of their own pockets. For example, a chap I knew in Florida had to be taken to the emergency room at late o'clock with terrible pains. Turned out he had a kidney stone, he was kept in for a couple of days and it cost his insurer $35K. Luckily his wife had started a new job the week before which provided 100% cover, the week before and he would have been paying 50% of that out of his own pocket.

An over expensive capitalist system that allows insurers to cherry pick and deny service and payment at will is fine when you are young and healthy and can afford insurance. You know, I laughed at a lawyer who deigned to talk down to me when I was collecting my kids from school in Florida. He made the same noises as you are about US healthcare and people should pay for their care and if they can't pay "tough". Yup, I laughed at him 6 months later when he was bleating about being laid off in the knock on effect of 2008 and how would he be able to pay for his healthcare, blah, blah, blah. He was happily snotting on the people underneath him, but he should have taken notice of the fact that sat on his high horse gave him a long way to fall.

The system needs to change, I ain't gonna pay $1500 a month insurance to maybe, perhaps, possibly see a Dr once every couple of months when I retire.
 
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Oh no, I have dental insurance. But, as you know dental policies only have a given annual payout value. Mine is around $1500 - $2000 annually, every time I visit the dentist the cost of the treatment is taken off the remaining balance. I like to know what I am paying for treatment through my insurance provider because at the end of the day I am the customer.



We could discuss that at length sometime.



I have lived in the USA so therefore I do not legally qualify for free NHS treatment in the UK, neither do you.

I can afford it so I went to Germany to see the people who invented the procedure, are the best at the procedure, and teach the procedure to all the other Docs around the planet.



I worked it out once that it was costing the highest national insurance payer around 65 quid a month for them and their family to benefit from the NHS.



TBH for a capitalist system where Dr.s are charging a fortune for their time and comparatively limited experience the customer care and handling is shite, and to be honest absolutely no better than most small town NHS hospitals. I used to use the private Three Shires Hospital, Northampton, the Spire Hospital in Leicester, and the Spire Hospital in Harpenden. I was an experienced user of private medicine before I arrived in the USA and I am sadly disappointed by what is on offer here. Somewhere I even have a letter sent to me by the world famous (their description, not mine) may0 Clinic telling me never to darken their door again.

The May0 incident was a fcuk up from start to finish. I had a 14.00hrs appointment for which I arrived early, in fact early enough to have lunch before hand. I reported for my appointment half an hour before it was due and I was told that the Dr was not on site that day and I would be seeing another Dr. At 17.30hrs. Imagine how impressed I was, I asked them why they had not phoned to re-schedule, blank looks all around on their side.

When I eventually got to see the substitute Dr., (remember a Dr in the world famous may0 Clinic) at 17.45hrs he wandered in with my file in his hand and asked me how my tennis elbow was. Funnily enough I was there for a problem with the middle finger of my right hand, not tennis elbow - I pointed this out to him. Anyway, at the end of the consult he tells me his assistant will call to arrange a time for the procedure. Next day I get a call (remember I want a procedure on the middle finger of my right hand) to arrange a time for the procedure on the ring finger of my left hand.

I used lots of short four letter words calling the Dr.'s competence into doubt and mentioned things like reporting him to the State medical board. A couple of days later I received a signed for, Fedex delivered letter telling me to stay away from the May0 for life.

Then there was the senior whatever they call consultants in the US who was going to take an ultrasound guided biopsy from a suspect growth in my thyroid. He couldn't even prepare a sterile field properly, I told him to do it again properly or fcuk off because he was not going to stick potentially contaminated needles into me. He played the big important Dr. so I got up off the op table in my gown, told him to fcuk off and walked out to get changed.

You see @SOCALSapper I spent a year receiving medical training in two UK hospitals and a couple of other places. I know what a good Dr looks like and I still know what some of the basic procedures look like, so I don't take shit or poor drills from these overcharging *********. Add to that the fact that the Mrs does HR and has been responsible for negotiating the entire corporate healthcare insurance for a couple of financial companies here in the US (she is actually going through the annual process at the moment). The high level brokers and providers she deals with have taught her a few tricks about US healthcare provision - I won't say system, because there is no system.

I like living in the US, but unless the medical system changes to something better by the time I retire I shall be buggering off to Spain, or the South of France. I don't want to pay everything I have tucked away to some Dr. if I get ill in old age, and lets be honest, in the USA the main reason for personal bankruptcy is medical costs. And, by medical costs I don't just mean people who do not have insurance, we have a reasonably good policy so we are fine, but other people have policies where they have to pay a significant % of the cost out of their own pockets. For example, a chap I knew in Florida had to be taken to the emergency room at late o'clock with terrible pains. Turned out he had a kidney stone, he was kept in for a couple of days and it cost his insurer $35K. Luckily his wife had started a new job the week before which provided 100% cover, the week before and he would have been paying 50% of that out of his own pocket.

An over expensive capitalist system that allows insurers to cherry pick and deny service and payment at will is fine when you are young and healthy and can afford insurance. You know I laughed at a lawyer who deigned to talk down to me when I was collecting my kids from school in Florida. He made the same noises as you are about US healthcare and people should pay for their care and if they can't pay "tough". Yup, I laughed at him 6 months later when he was bleating about being laid off in the knock on effect of 2008 and how would he be able to pay for his healthcare, blah, blah, blah. He was happily snotting on the people underneath him, but he should have taken notice of the fact that sat on his high horse gave him a long way to fall.

The system needs to change, I ain't gonna pay $1500 a month insurance to maybe, perhaps, possibly see a Dr once every couple of months when I retire.

I don’t class myself as young, but I hardly use it. I have a physical once a yearif I remember it. Same goes for auto insurance too. And life insurance.

It’s better for me though and the healthcare my family has gotten here in the U.S has been excellent.

Millions of people manage to retire here on the various Medicare options and living in Spain or France is not an option. It sucks you had a raw deal with the Mayo Clinic, but Spanish hospitals are going to be way better service? Or cheaper?
I had stitches in Spain (and Greece) and the ER/urgent care looked like it was straight out of a Colombian drug movie.

Healthcare can’t be good and cheap. You have to find a balance and everyone who thinks the NHS is free should remember that when the VAT is increased and it costs a fortune to fill a 1.2 liter 4 banger.
 
Medicare, what do you want to know about the realities of medicare at the moment? The service offered on medicare is minimal, and that is if you can find a Dr willing to accept it.

Look at the plans offered by Humana; you pay $93 a month and you have to pay $6700 in fees for any medical costs.

Both the old boys teaching on my air conditioning course at college were in their 70’s and both still working part time to cover the costs of paying supplemental insurance to top up their Medicare policies to actually be worth something. They were both paying around $800 a month in top up fee’s.

The thing is when you are younger you are fitter and healthier. When you get older you become more illness prone and need to visit the doc more often. Added to which the vagaries of US medical insurance mean that you may change your provider every year. That means they want your money out of your pocket that year because next year you could be with someone else.

As I said I like the US, but regardless of having citizenship if the medical is not sorted in the next few years we are off.

check around all the other countries where you have to pay medical insurance and compare what is charged there to what they charge here. You will find that the costs here are between 5 and 10 times higher. The reason for that is that is twofold:

1. Insurance companies take the piss,

2. Too many Dr’s chasing patients. I got that gem from a Canadian heart surgeon. He explained it is the result of universities profiteering and putting As many bums on seats as possible to make money out of medical degrees. That results in more Drs out there chasing patients And having to make a living out of the limited number of patients they do see. Given; some Dr’s are very busy, but there are other who are very quiet.

The Canadian Doc told me that in Canada, based on the British model, they control the number of Dr’s entering into the profession, and subsequently specialisms, so as not to flood the market. The Doc I spoke with was the consultant running a department in a large hospital covering a large part of Toronto. He and his staff were it for patients in that part,of the city, unlike the US where you find rows of Dr’s surgeries on every main road And the patient has to stick a pin in a directory to make a choice.

The Canadian Doc knows lots of similarly qualified surgeons on the US side of the lake. He said that withe the numbers they give him he knows that hensee’s five times more patients than they do. It may mean he is busier, but it also means he is more experienced.

Added to which on average people in the US die earlier than people in proper developed countries. California is different, it is more Developed like europe than the rest of the US where as in my May0 dit some of the medical practices are decidedly third world - FFS they still hold prayer vigils and believe in creationism here in Texarrse.
 

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Dear god this thread has begun to move on at a pace and I wish I had the free time to contribute as much as some of you, it's almost like some of those on perma- send don't have an actual job,, not wanting to mention names ( you know who you are) but if any of you were on the 2016 election thread you are giving Hellsbrink a run for his money.

There is still plenty of time to go so I'm not looking at the poles or making any predictions on he outcome. What I've been watching is the GOP's next potential golden boy Tucker Carlson, he of the lost Hunter Biden documents scandal. As the damming documents which turned out to be an easily copied flash drive has now been found Tucker seems to have borrowed Trumps reverso-cycle and is winding back on the release of said damming documents that would sink Joe Biden's campaign. It's almost like someone has had a word in his ear and told him to keep his hands clean from the Jacob Wohl level October surprise fuckwittery.

A few months back I listened to the Audible version of former Republican strategist Rick Wilsons book Running against the Devil, with the exception of Trumps Covid-19 mismanagement it's like he wrote the script for the current election.
 
Medicare, what do you want to know about the realities of medicare at the moment? The service offered on medicare is minimal, and that is if you can find a Dr willing to accept it.

Look at the plans offered by Humana; you pay $93 a month and you have to pay $6700 in fees for any medical costs.

Both the old boys teaching on my air conditioning course at college were in their 70’s and both still working part time to cover the costs of paying supplemental insurance to top up their Medicare policies to actually be worth something. They were both paying around $800 a month in top up fee’s.

The thing is when you are younger you are fitter and healthier. When you get older you become more illness prone and need to visit the doc more often. Added to which the vagaries of US medical insurance mean that you may change your provider every year. That means they want your money out of your pocket that year because next year you could be with someone else.

As I said I like the US, but regardless of having citizenship if the medical is not sorted in the next few years we are off.

check around all the other countries where you have to pay medical insurance and compare what is charged there to what they charge here. You will find that the costs here are between 5 and 10 times higher. The reason for that is that is twofold:

1. Insurance companies take the piss,

2. Too many Dr’s chasing patients. I got that gem from a Canadian heart surgeon. He explained it is the result of universities profiteering and putting As many bums on seats as possible to make money out of medical degrees. That results in more Drs out there chasing patients And having to make a living out of the limited number of patients they do see. Given; some Dr’s are very busy, but there are other who are very quiet.

The Canadian Doc told me that in Canada, based on the British model, they control the number of Dr’s entering into the profession, and subsequently specialisms, so as not to flood the market. The Doc I spoke with was the consultant running a department in a large hospital covering a large part of Toronto. He and his staff were it for patients in that part,of the city, unlike the US where you find rows of Dr’s surgeries on every main road And the patient has to stick a pin in a directory to make a choice.

The Canadian Doc knows lots of similarly qualified surgeons on the US side of the lake. He said that withe the numbers they give him he knows that hensee’s five times more patients than they do. It may mean he is busier, but it also means he is more experienced.

Added to which on average people in the US die earlier than people in proper developed countries. California is different, it is more Developed like europe than the rest of the US where as in my May0 dit some of the medical practices are decidedly third world - FFS they still hold prayer vigils and believe in creationism here in Texarrse.

My sister and her family in California is having a similar experience with dentists. Lots to choose from and all of them up selling and competing but charging and arm and a leg for treatment that would be free (or sub $1000). Even though they have good healthcare they always seem to be paying thousands of dollars in excess for dental.

Having worked at a US company for 9 years and been in daily meetings with my US counterparts , healthcare was always a hit topic. Something will need to happen in the US to fix the healthcare inequality. An NHS style system could be an possible solution, but it would take someone like Trump who is willing to disrupt a system to implement improvements to do it. I don't think Biden or Harris have the guts.
Saunders would, Warren might of.
 
How many patents they stole you mean, via the Confucious institutes and blackmail.
Hang on, isn't Snowden a David Ickey type...I knew it!
You naughty little conspiracy theorist you.

EDIT: Imitating them in government would be voting in Joe Biden, the sellout.
Yup...this is where you get off into tinfoil territory - they stole lots, it's what China does. I don't need to watch a video on the 'tube, made by an embittered expat who was loving it for a decade or two and suddenly found a conscience once he was no longer protected to know that.

They did and do steal, information most of all. As do the spams, the RSPs and ourselves. Everyone is at it.


I'd not bat an eyelid if Snowden fell off a balcony BTW.

They still lead patent registering and are genuine technology leaders in some areas. The world has changed and the tinfoil isn't going to stop that. They'll come up against US business and find it can be very dirty too, the way it is.

You're suffering because the rip off Chinese tinfoil you wear isn't stopping the thought rays I reckon.
 
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Try the capitol


the peddler is the little hard left shit-stirrer Lisa Fithian, running the "shut it down" movement.
They along with Antifa are planning to besiege DC if Trump wins, **** democracy eh, they think they are saving it.
She has written a playbook by the same title "Shut it Down"

Of course, the unwitting students will be the Green and yellow bloc, creating the diversions so the black block can make an attack and get away with the help of the other blocs, they have been doing this for years, using weaknesses in our own laws against LE.
They will team up with anyone who will help them bring down a system, especially a democratic one they cant legally take control of or disagree with.

Black bloc "defenders of democracy"

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Syrian trained...makes you wonder who arranged to get them over there in the first place, doesn't it ;)



Let's hope the DHS/NSA already have them tapped and tagged.
Pre 2000 nobody put up with this shit, Now they call it "peaceful protesting" and a fvcking "idea" assisted by media and certain Democrat politicians.

For shits and giggles, maybe have a poke about for fighting-age men staying in some 4-star hotels that are all booked up for the rest of the year ;)
I hear they like to take scheduled buses from city to city too, according to an insider I follow.

I expect if Biden wins they will go back to smashing up corporate G20's and such, whatever pays the bills.
You could always try work out how they got to Syria by reading shit. Radical I know.


You can look up Kevin Belton as well and see where he is now....obvs a sleeper.....or perhaps a young lad looking for a bit of a fight who has now grown up a bit...or maybe not.
 
If Trump wins by a big margin, and the nation melts down, what do you think the majority would demand should the streets of some cities turn to fire and destruction?
Missing from Political Polling, three groups stand out for Trump:-
1. Shy Trump Voters - unknown number and lying to pollsters about intentions due to avoidance.
2. Low Propensity Voters -
Who are completely off the radar, if you haven't voted in the past three elections, you don't appear in the sample.
3. Conspiracy types - In both 1 and 2, you have a minority, who believe the pollster is the big state and enjoy actively lying for laughs, by claiming themselves democrat. (Think when indian fraudsters ring you up and some people wind up the caller).

The better polling firms like IBD/TIPP, have clearly a good sample of 2016 voters and the current Biden lead, really is 6-7 points on known voters..... The problem for Biden, is the democrats and RINOs have made the election into an identity and ideological battle and that brings out the three groups above.

Big Margin:-
Group 1/3: - Rasmussen/Trafalgar claim to have mined a couple of points swing from Biden.
Group 2 - Have the weight and if the republicans can mobilise them, for this election, then you could see some hefty and surprising swings.

Conclusions:-
To avoid violence we probably want either the Trump Big Margin win, or the polls are bang on the money, as the idiots need uncertainty to mobilise the dumb.
 
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Yup...this is where you get off into tinfoil territory - they stole lots, it's what China does. I don't need to watch a video on the 'tube, made by an embittered expat who was loving it for a decade or two and suddenly found a conscience once he was no longer protected to know that.

They did and do steal, information most of all. As do the spams, the RSPs and ourselves. Everyone is at it.


I'd not bat an eyelid if Snowden fell off a balcony BTW.

They still lead patent registering and are genuine technology leaders in some areas. The world has changed and the tinfoil isn't going to stop that. They'll come up against US business and find it can be very dirty too, the way it is.

You're suffering because the rip off Chinese tinfoil you wear isn't stopping the thought rays I reckon.

Ahh I see, Now you claim you, and only, read and speak for disseminating my posts, pis off grac.

The video wasn't aimed at just you, so stop the weak responses., I have always been critical of the CCP and anybody questioning your idiotic words only has to search my history on it. I've been consistent on it.

Tinfoil you say?
inventive you say?

Why did you post a video from 2014, are you a dinosaur, or is that all your search engine could find for you?
Next, you will be telling us Chinese tech firms including software are good companies and has the best

interests of the users and our governments at heart.
Are you aware of the big data war happening right now?
I had a demo from DarkTrace last year, A UK firm run by ex spooks that place data analysis hardware in the loop of your company, That tells you a lot about how the data is getting out, it's not just hardware, it's software, and software leaves traces, Mobile data in corporate networks being the biggest risk.

You could just say right now, would rather America and five eyes had your back or the Chinese.
Its appears to me you are making excuses for the CCP by taking the old, oh look bad America.
Of course, you could just be attacking me, which is fine, I'll bite for you princess.


Salinus Desperatus Graculus


You could always try work out how they got to Syria by reading shit. Radical I know.


You can look up Kevin Belton as well and see where he is now....obvs a sleeper.....or perhaps a young lad looking for a bit of a fight who has now grown up a bit...or maybe not.

Of course, Rolling Stone magazine, damn I'm so blind.
Maybe I should watch Entertainment Hollywood to get the scoop on the latest developments on the ground situation in Northern Iraq too eh crac!

PMSL

PS - I did read it, do you really think they have the full story ;)
 
Missing from Political Polling, three groups stand out for Trump:-
1. Shy Trump Voters - unknown number and lying to pollsters about intentions due to avoidance.
2. Low Propensity Voters -
Who are completely off the radar, if you haven't voted in the past three elections, you don't appear in the sample.
3. Conspiracy types - In both 1 and 2, you have a minority, who believe the pollster is the big state and enjoy actively lying for laughs, by claiming themselves democrat. (Think when indian fraudsters ring you up and some people wind up the caller).

The better polling firms like IBD/TIPP, have clearly a good sample of 2016 voters and the current Biden lead, really is 6-7 points on known voters..... The problem for Biden, is the democrats and RINOs have made the election into an identity and ideological battle and that brings out the three groups above.

Big Margin:-
Group 1/3: - Rasmussen/Trafalgar claim to have mined a couple of points swing from Biden.
Group 2 - Have the weight and if the republicans can mobilise them, for this election, then you could see some hefty and surprising swings.

Conclusions:-
To avoid violence we probably want either the Trump Big Margin win, or the polls are bang on the money, as the idiots need uncertainty to mobilise the dumb.

I know some who enjoy ******* with the cold callers.
Me, also including and not limited to; Insurance, sales and Indian computer repairmen.

The last one I had, I had the lads in the office in stitches..I stole a car, drank drove and hit a few pensioners before fleeing the scene and crashing, Could they sort out my neck problem.

I would love to get a political one knowing the way they use the information.
 
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