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The Trump Presidency...

The debate heard round the world.
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You should be the one whining about his tax as the more he dose not pay the more you have to. So tell us are you paying more tax now than 2016 or don't you care (how very socialist of you).
Sorry I was trying to keep out of this but this line just made me want to reach for the reply button.

Please explain exactly how one person paying less tax means other people have to pay more? From what I have gathered over the years, the government sets a tax rate on various things, including goods and services, in order to get money to spend on the country. I'm pretty sure that is the basis of taxation.

So if everyone in the country pays an amount of tax, that is the amount of money that the country has to spend. If a group of people pay less tax for whatever reason, then the others don't have to pay more it just means that the country has less to spend on stuff.

I don't believe that any government starts the fiscal year by saying "right, we need X amount of cash to spend this year so you, you and you pay up. If him over there can't pay up this share then you and you will just have to dig deeper to make up the shortfall...."

If I have to pay more tax this year than last it is either because a) I earned more or b) the government needs to raise cash for something so the taxes have gone up.

Honestly looking at the last ten pages or so I'm surprised some of you are let out without adult supervision. Try reading the facts as presented, then look into the facts that are not presented, and maybe just possibly think "is there another explanation than the one I am being given...?"
 
Trump's being Trump and Biden is coming across frail. What a bun fight.

If I was eligible to vote I would be looking at a third party right now.

You would waste your vote in this election.
 
I don’t see a clear winner - I don’t think many voters will have changed a vote based on that debate. Joes claims were really vague and he didn’t seem to believe his own answers about his son.

Trump should have let him speak more - his confused waffling would have helped Trump more.
 
What! you mean trump played by the same election rules in use since 1804? how dare he?
Why then do people insist that the same election rules require popularity when they don't?

That he's only the second (IIRC) successful candidate who hasn't also carried the popular vote is a by-the-by, the rules don't require it.
 
Being a septic sort I watched. I wished that they had a system of the candidates in soundproof booths with the mikes on timers. Biden kept interrupting Trump and Trump was almost as bad.

Biden did seem to lose it when Hunters less than honorable discharge came up. He had failed the piss test for coke twice FFS. Hunter had gotten a commission at age 42 to the USN Reserve requiring waivers for both age and a prior drug problem. Does anyone think daddy might have helped a bit?? Biden has said his sons are both veterans. Sorry Joe, a less than honorable discharge does not confer veteran status for anything (civil service , VA benefits, VA mortgage....)
 
Being a septic sort I watched. I wished that they had a system of the candidates in soundproof booths with the mikes on timers. Biden kept interrupting Trump and Trump was almost as bad.

Biden did seem to lose it when Hunters less than honorable discharge came up. He had failed the piss test for coke twice FFS. Hunter had gotten a commission at age 42 to the USN Reserve requiring waivers for both age and a prior drug problem. Does anyone think daddy might have helped a bit?? Biden has said his sons are both veterans. Sorry Joe, a less than honorable discharge does not confer veteran status for anything (civil service , VA benefits, VA mortgage....)
Would this have helped?
 
Well I watched some of it on the news just, and I must say it I was impressed by the Dignity and Gravitas both man had...

Like a pair of 4 year olds squabbling.
 
I thought Trump walked all over Biden who was hopeless. He was stuttering and flailing all over the place.

I bet the steering group of the Democratic party are wishing they let Sanders or Warren win the primaries. At least they would have been able to stand up to Trump in a debate with coherent answers.
 
I bet the steering group of the Democratic party are wishing they let Sanders or Warren win the primaries. At least they would have been able to stand up to Trump in a debate with coherent answers.
He was awfully weak. If the Dems had put up a credible, younger, moderate and more eloquent candidate they would have this in the bag already.
 
He was awfully weak. If the Dems had put up a credible, younger, moderate and more eloquent candidate they would have this in the bag already.

No.. they would have put up a ‘better’ candidate. More electable? I am not so sure many people see how far left the democrats core has shifted left.
 
For the first, and I hope only, time in my life I actually want a Democrat to win. Not because I sympathise with many of his beliefs but because the incumbent is such a massive clusterfuck of a human being.
 

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