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The Trump Presidency...

Lot of Brits shooting each other as well, check your country's news occasionally.

Let's just take a quick google look at 'lots'.

US population in 2019 - 328.2 million (population of usa)

UK population in 2019 - 66.65 million (population of uk)

So roughly 5 times larger.

US gun deaths in 2019 - 15,292 (us gun deaths 2019)

UK gun deaths in 2019 - 650 - (Homicide level down for first time in five years)

So roughly 23 times larger.

You're talking bollocks, again.
 
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Every American I have ever met or known who has spent any time over here says the exact opposite.

Maybe it's a postcode/zip code lottery and I've just been lucky on the left side/unlucky on the right side of the pond and your acquaintances have been the opposite.

Dunno, but I won't accept "US healthcare is shit", cos it's not. At least not in my experience.
 
Maybe it's a postcode/zip code lottery and I've just been lucky on the left side/unlucky on the right side of the pond and your acquaintances have been the opposite.

Seems unlikely.
Dunno, but I won't accept "US healthcare is shit", cos it's not. At least not in my experience.

I don't think anyone is saying the level of healthcare provided is shit, it's the fact that as a society you don't seem to think you should provide that level of care to everyone as a matter of course.
 
I would accept that as a general point. American health care is clearly world class.

The question I would ask is why does the US perform very badly on nearly all measures of health outcome amongst the leading industrial nations.

That is a difficult circle to square although I can think of one obvious reason.

I think part of the difference could be how much of your countries health care system have you been exposed to. If you have not been in the system much or used it all that often and jump ship and go elsewhere the impression is that it could be light years ahead of what you had not experienced. I also think that some Hospitals and clinics in America are just better than others.
 
Every American I have ever met or known who has spent any time over here says the exact opposite.

Except you have two here telling you the opposite. Two that experienced both systems ( and UK-MIL healthcare).
 
Let's just take a quick google look at 'lots'.

US population in 2019 - 328.2 million (population of usa)

UK population in 2019 - 66.65 million (population of uk)

So roughly 5 times larger.

US gun deaths in 2019 - 15,292 (us gun deaths 2019)

UK gun deaths in 2019 - 650 - (Homicide level down for first time in five years)

So roughly 23 times larger.

You're talking bollocks, again.

Please don't let us go down the gun thread again.

It's even more off piste than the healthcare debate.

It's been done to death a dozen times on ARRSE. It's just pointless trench warfare.
 
Except you have two here telling you the opposite. Two that experienced both systems ( and UK-MIL healthcare).

Sure, but I have never met either of you. And at the risk of raising hackles, those who I have spoken to online who seem to dislike the NHS so much seem to do so for political and dogmatic reasons.
 
Seems unlikely.


I don't think anyone is saying the level of healthcare provided is shit, it's the fact that as a society you don't seem to think you should provide that level of care to everyone as a matter of course.

As an individual, I think everyone should have healthcare coverage, whether that be private insurance and facilities, or publicly-run facilities for those who can't/don't have private coverage.

Where I have difficulty is the socialist notion that the 90% that have coverage should pay more for it so the 10% have some coverage. I don't mind paying a small premium for it, I would see it as a social responsibility. Unfortunately the ACA so disrupted the health insurance industry that the middle classes got landed with the bulk of the costs, and it disproportionately financially affected those people - middle America. That, I think, is the core of the "as a society" piece.

IMHO, there *should* be universal coverage, but the extent of it and where the costs fall is plain old politics, and I am no politician.
 

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Please don't let us go down the gun thread again.

It's even more off piste than the healthcare debate.

It's been done to death a dozen times on ARRSE. It's just pointless trench warfare.

Well then, why haven't you directed your ire at the individual who introduced the subject to the thread, rather than the one who refuted the bollocks claim?
 
No they dont. You look after lives first. You soulless bastard.

Then explain to me how are you going to look after the masses without the resources to do so after the Pandemic is long over?? Besides getting through the now you have to be able to function in the future. If you are an at risk person stay the hell home. But people have to work in order to keep the system going or it will just go tits up, and then everybody really suffers. So don't be such a selfish whiner.
 
Well then, why haven't you directed your ire at the individual who introduced the subject to the thread, rather than the one who refuted the bollocks claim?

It wasn't aimed at you personally.

Using your post was just a generic link. This topic really has been done to death.

Oi, whoever started this. You're a c*nt. Don't do it again.


In other news Trumpy Bear is off with his Birther bullshit re Harris. He is wrong but the wolf whistle to the deluded has been blown.
 

mercurydancer

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Book Reviewer
Then explain to me how are you going to look after the masses without the resources to do so after the Pandemic is long over?? Besides getting through the now you have to be able to function in the future. If you are an at risk person stay the hell home. But people have to work in order to keep the system going or it will just go tits up, and then everybody really suffers. So don't be such a selfish whiner.
Selfish? When I want to care for the sick? Redefine selfish for me. I am not whining but caring. A word that clearly does not mean as much to you or Trump as Election or Money.
 
Let's just take a quick google look at 'lots'.

US population in 2019 - 328.2 million (population of usa)

UK population in 2019 - 66.65 million (population of uk)

So roughly 5 times larger.

US gun deaths in 2019 - 15,292 (us gun deaths 2019)

UK gun deaths in 2019 - 650 - (Homicide level down for first time in five years)

So roughly 23 times larger.

You're talking bollocks, again.

Throw up all the number you want mate, it doesn't alter the fact that there are shootings just about every day somewhere in one of the most firearms regulated countries in the world that is the UK.

The UK police reckon that with the amount of illegal firearms coming into the country, mainly from Eastern Europe, they are struggling to stem the flow of them coming in and they see an increase in gun crimes in the near future.
 
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Throw up all the number you want mate, it doesn't alter the fact that there are shootings just about every day somewhere in one of the most firearms regulated countries in the world that is the UK.

The UK police reckon that with the amount of illegal firearms coming into the country, mainly from Eastern Europe, they are struggling to stem the flow of them coming in and they see an increase in gin crimes in the near future.
links to any of these assertions?
 

mercurydancer

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Didnt take him long to do the dirty did it by saying that Harris was not an American citizen. The vile unscrupulous piece of ordure.
 
they see an increase in gin crimes in the near future.

I have had a few gin crimes inflicted on me.

They looked OK after a bottle of Gordons but they were fuckin horrors when I woke up in the morning.

I'm amazed I still have two arms.





(Sorry Sam. I know it's childish)
 
Selfish? When I want to care for the sick? Redefine selfish for me. I am not whining but caring. A word that clearly does not mean as much to you or Trump as Election or Money.
Some people have the ability to realise that life will still continue for the vast majority after the Rona. We have more people in this country that die from heart disease and cancer in a year then what COVID will manage. Perhaps if you could get your hysteria under control you would understand that this bug is just another item on the list of things that COULD kill me. But if we remain on indefinite lockdown, the economic cost will continue to build and then things will get out of hand. So unless you would like to gut your nation for the next decade plus, you are going to have to accept the fact that extended lockdowns are not in your national interest.
 

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