The Trump Presidency...

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That norm is now viewed as a threat by many, thanks to COVID. Like you said times change, and China is public enemy number one now. We also try to avoid buying cheap, as you pay to replace it just as often.
Trump can keep on calling it the China virus all he likes but as I'm quite active on other forums mostly gamer's and Sci-Fi with significant numbers of US members of both colours, no one seems to be taking the bait we have plenty of other names for it my term Ping Pong Plague is quite popular but not nearly as much as Boomer Doomer which is a bit contentious for me as I was born in 1960. They seem to think that Covid-19 deaths will have passed 200K by November and that it may be a bit problem considering how many times Trump has down played it, it may come down to inaction against reaction but the election will be what it will be.

It was pointed out to me that Trump only made one reference to the 1919 Flu epidemic as The Spanish Flu as there is a possibility that not only wasn't it Spanish but that it may have been brought to Europe in 1917 by US troops. This was by a bloke on the Discord to my Daughters Twitch page who said his college fees were paid for by Wheat exports to Russia from his dad's farm in Idaho during the cold war, who knew that while kids in the US were diving under their desks his dad was coining it on Ivan's Rubble's.

Is Soy a popular crop in Wyoming?, how did farmers fare during the trade war?, I know the Russian Soy farmers who picked up the slack for Soy trade with China think Trump has been a God send as does Monsanto who manged to pick up a considerable amount of turf at rock bottom prices from foreclosures. A member in Ohio who a couple of weeks back was pissed that they may rename Columbus picked up on Trumps claim a few days ago that Car manufacture is up and that new plants were being opened in his state, he can't find any news of it. I guess they are like all those imaginary steel mills and mines he went on about.

I know I've said it before but If if your wife lied to you as much as Trump lies to you would still be married, as far as I can see it's like walking in on your missus getting the good news and her saying "it's not what it looks like" when it's exactly what it looks like.
 
All US Covid deaths equal all military deaths up to and including the Vietnam war.

US deaths in the Korean war, just under 40,000.......... next would be WW2... 417,000...... just planning ahead..... a concept the Trump administration is unaware of.
 
Welcome to the new age then.

By being dependent on other countries for items that are vital to the nation, you set yourself up for a massive failure if you don’t have the ability to meet your needs in certain sectors. You know health, defense, etc etc.

Protectionism also has the advantage of ensuring your economy is not overly dependent on the service sector. Because when one is in that pickle and a massive disruption occurs you are SOL. As demonstrated today when the damage report comes out.

The flaw in your logic is that you assume all other actors are rational and not in fact hostile. Which is about as deluded as it gets. Protectionism does not make that mistake and serves to protect the populace from long term threats. So paying more for things might seem bad, until you can’t get them at all because your partners sell you down the river. In which case you pay in spades.

Would you like some respirator’s btw?
The trouble with your reasoning is that it’s been proven not to work. America flirted with autarky (which is what you’re describing) in the inter-war period. It contributed to the depth of the Great Depression- a period of economic depression that took the New Deal and the immense deficit spending program of WW2 to counter.

When I describe the ‘Law’ of comparative advantage it’s called that for a reason. It’s not a ‘theory’ or an ‘idea’ or an ‘ism’ (like protectionism is). It’s been consistently proven both in history and with Trump’s recent attempts at tariffs. Tariffs will hurt as many people in America as they help.

The simple fact is, people like paying less for stuff. Whenever someone tries to get in the way of that, things happen. It’s one of the reasons US customs are so busy on the Canadian border, stopping Americans bringing cheap (and otherwise legal) pharmaceuticals over. It works the other way too with car parts apparently. Just imagine how much money you would save if America dismantled the incredible protectionist walls around the pharmaceutical and medical industries.

People like paying less for stuff. It’s an inconvenient truth. A bit like the number ‘pi’. It doesn’t equal 3.2, as much as American politicians would have liked it to:


It’s ironic that people who shout ‘freedom’ so much are willing to socialise their economy by the heavy handed use of command and control economics, and yet are the very same people who are terrified of ‘socialised’ medicine.
 
It’s ironic that people who shout ‘freedom’ so much are willing to socialise their economy by the heavy handed use of command and control economics, and yet are the very same people who are terrified of ‘socialised’ medicine.
It's only socialism when somebody else benefits.
 
Welcome to the new age then.

By being dependent on other countries for items that are vital to the nation, you set yourself up for a massive failure if you don’t have the ability to meet your needs in certain sectors. You know health, defense, etc etc.

Protectionism also has the advantage of ensuring your economy is not overly dependent on the service sector. Because when one is in that pickle and a massive disruption occurs you are SOL. As demonstrated today when the damage report comes out.

The flaw in your logic is that you assume all other actors are rational and not in fact hostile. Which is about as deluded as it gets. Protectionism does not make that mistake and serves to protect the populace from long term threats. So paying more for things might seem bad, until you can’t get them at all because your partners sell you down the river. In which case you pay in spades.

Would you like some respirator’s btw?
Economics has always been less of a science and more a statistical form of court astrology, where democracy is largely put aside, human beings are turned into units of labour and have no identity and all to compete on an individual level, without any protection from our representatives, who act as if they're are bored of the nation state and want to get on board this globalisation train....

As I see it, we have a number of narrowing alternatives to the adherents of globalisation:-
1. Go with the flow man and elect representatives who will 'manage' the decline, sympathetically.
2. Elect an outspoken outsider, who argues that capitalism has gotten it seriously wrong on globalisation and no longer on his watch, will globalisation be allowed to damage democracy, or treat one of ours and your citizens, as simply a unit of labour.
3. Elect the myriad of socialists and socialist lites who simply just dole out money to buy votes and accelerate the decline.
 
Economics has always been less of a science and more a statistical form of court astrology, where democracy is largely put aside, human beings are turned into units of labour and have no identity and all to compete on an individual level, without any protection from our representatives, who act as if they're are bored of the nation state and want to get on board this globalisation train....

As I see it, we have a number of narrowing alternatives to the adherents of globalisation:-
1. Go with the flow man and elect representatives who will 'manage' the decline, sympathetically.
2. Elect an outspoken outsider, who argues that capitalism has gotten it seriously wrong on globalisation and no longer on his watch, will globalisation be allowed to damage democracy, or treat one of ours and your citizens, as simply a unit of labour.
3. Elect the myriad of socialists and socialist lites who simply just dole out money to buy votes and accelerate the decline.
Yep, those words are definitely English.

Throw a few more in and that might make sense.
 
Yep, those words are definitely English.

Throw a few more in and that might make sense.
Maybe if you looked up from the economic texts for an instant and considered the human factor, then you may get an understanding that economics without any accountability is a recipe for fascism (see china).
 
then you may get an understanding that economics without any accountability is a recipe for fascism
The accountability is via the wallets and purses of consumers.

Who've clearly and consistently voted for what we have, as it happens.
 
A/ The hypocrisy in this is stunning, and b/ as far as a banana republic goes, I reckon they're pretty much already there.

'Rudy Giuliani, who very publicly urged the Trump administration’s Justice Department to probe corruption claims against Joe Biden, went on Fox News Wednesday night to ominously warn that if a Biden–Harris administration pursued a criminal prosecution of Donald Trump if he lost in November, the United States would have sunk to the level of a “banana republic.”

'Giuliani, of course, spent months conducting an off-the-books shadow campaign in Ukraine at the behest of Trump trying to dig up dirt on what ultimately became the president’s 2020 rival. In early February, the former New York City mayor and Trump personal attorney was urging Trump to begin a corruption probe against Biden and sending his purported findings to the DOJ for use in a possible criminal probe of the former vice president. Although nothing came of Giuliani’s supposed evidence. And Giuliani’s client, Trump, infamously made “lock her up” chants — threats to prosecute and imprison his 2016 rival Hillary Clinton — a staple of his first election campaign.

'But on Wednesday night, when Fox News guest host Mike Huckabee asked about the prospect of a Biden Justice Department pursuing a criminal investigation of Trump should he lose in the fall, Giuliani had an altogether different response.

“Rudy Giuliani, former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, former New York City mayor,” Huckabee said, after showing an clip from MSNBC where a liberal pundit encouraged Biden and Harris to remove Trump appointees from the federal government if they were to win. “How unprecedented and damaging would it be for a Biden administration to criminally prosecute a former president?”

“We would become a banana republic, governor,” Giuliani said, without the least bit of irony before slamming both parts of the Democratic ticket. “I mean, Biden has nothing left. She’s a very mean woman, and she was a terrible prosecutor.”


 
The accountability is via the wallets and purses of consumers.

Who've clearly and consistently voted for what we have, as it happens.
I love a good deal as much as the next non gender specific lifeform, but price is only part of equation. There is also supply & demand, quality and value to name a few.

China has been able to master producing product XYZ cheaply, and as industry blooms the price of labour has gone up. China now has a bigger and more affluent society. This in turn has priced some production out of the Chinese market.
The company's now turn to cheaper worker forces in developing countries. Who in turn benefit from the additional wealth creation and their population becomes more affluent.... The company then moves again to a country with a cheaper workforce. Rinse and repeat.
Surely the company will run out countries to move to and cheap labour to exploit?

Even in the service and IT industry I have seen companies hop from the UK to India, to Poland, to Romania chasing the cheap running costs.

So, as cheap production moves from one country to the next exploiting cheap labour workers are priced out if the market and lose their jobs.

Cheap does not always mean good, which brings us quality. The US can compete with Chinese costs, so they need to compete with quality. The consume is happy to pay a higher price for better quality. Take the watch market for example. You can buy a Casio F91 for £9.99 or you can buy a Rolex for £7,000. Both will tell the time, but only one will retain its value.

As said before, we need to factor in human nature.
The EU is very protectionist on its markets and the UK Gov wants more open markets to drive down prices, which is seen by some as being bad.
The US wants more protectionist markets, which would make it more like the EU, so surely this is good?
 
A/ The hypocrisy in this is stunning, and b/ as far as a banana republic goes, I reckon they're pretty much already there.

'Rudy Giuliani, who very publicly urged the Trump administration’s Justice Department to probe corruption claims against Joe Biden, went on Fox News Wednesday night to ominously warn that if a Biden–Harris administration pursued a criminal prosecution of Donald Trump if he lost in November, the United States would have sunk to the level of a “banana republic.”

'Giuliani, of course, spent months conducting an off-the-books shadow campaign in Ukraine at the behest of Trump trying to dig up dirt on what ultimately became the president’s 2020 rival. In early February, the former New York City mayor and Trump personal attorney was urging Trump to begin a corruption probe against Biden and sending his purported findings to the DOJ for use in a possible criminal probe of the former vice president. Although nothing came of Giuliani’s supposed evidence. And Giuliani’s client, Trump, infamously made “lock her up” chants — threats to prosecute and imprison his 2016 rival Hillary Clinton — a staple of his first election campaign.

'But on Wednesday night, when Fox News guest host Mike Huckabee asked about the prospect of a Biden Justice Department pursuing a criminal investigation of Trump should he lose in the fall, Giuliani had an altogether different response.

“Rudy Giuliani, former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, former New York City mayor,” Huckabee said, after showing an clip from MSNBC where a liberal pundit encouraged Biden and Harris to remove Trump appointees from the federal government if they were to win. “How unprecedented and damaging would it be for a Biden administration to criminally prosecute a former president?”

“We would become a banana republic, governor,” Giuliani said, without the least bit of irony before slamming both parts of the Democratic ticket. “I mean, Biden has nothing left. She’s a very mean woman, and she was a terrible prosecutor.”


The hypocrisy of US politians and supporters is THE biggest grip I have. Both sides do it.

As others have said, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.
 
The accountability is via the wallets and purses of consumers.

Who've clearly and consistently voted for what we have, as it happens.
Wrong; most consumers buy through intermediaries like supermarkets, catalogues, retailers or online multinationals like amazon. We certainly are NOT logging into the Dongeng Furniture Shop, Chengdu Shoe Company, or Aceh Suit emporioum websites to order are we ? but those intermediaries are and that is unaccountable.

Globalisation removed multiple layers of accountability and consumers only have the power if alternatives exist and many Businesses don't want to go back to having to make stuff, because then they're become accountable and making cash, then blaming others is the glitch in the matrix.

Covid for instance, is a product of business and global travel, where the accountable do not have to account for anything and the maligned nation state is the only accountable player.
 
Wrong; most consumers buy through intermediaries like supermarkets, catalogues, retailers or online multinationals like amazon. We certainly are NOT logging into the Dongeng Furniture Shop, Chengdu Shoe Company, or Aceh Suit emporioum websites to order are we ?
Irrelevant. We're choosing price/quality over patriotism each and every time.

The question was explicitly asked in the 'Buy British' campaign and guess what the answer was?
 
Wrong; most consumers buy through intermediaries like supermarkets, catalogues, retailers or online multinationals like amazon. We certainly are NOT logging into the Dongeng Furniture Shop, Chengdu Shoe Company, or Aceh Suit emporioum websites to order are we ? but those intermediaries are and that is unaccountable.

Globalisation removed multiple layers of accountability and consumers only have the power if alternatives exist and many Businesses don't want to go back to having to make stuff, because then they're become accountable and making cash, then blaming others is the glitch in the matrix.

Covid for instance, is a product of business and global travel, where the accountable do not have to account for anything and the maligned nation state is the only accountable player.
people are making choices.

i needed a new garden hose, it was a choice between a ‘British’ one made in China, or a German brand, actually made in Germany. £10 extra for the German one, but happy to pay the extra to avoid putting any money in the Communist parties pocket.
 
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Those who remember the "Injecting disinfectant as a Covid cure" episode may remember the Q fans favourite charlatan church, Genesis, and their Miracle Mineral Solution quack cure. They were looking to get Trump's endorsement of their industrial bleach enema cure all.

The con man/ self appointed Bishop, Mark Grenon, has just been arrested in Colombia.
 
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God wills it, the last paragraph of that article made me laugh.
 
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It was pointed out to me that Trump only made one reference to the 1919 Flu epidemic as The Spanish Flu as there is a possibility that not only wasn't it Spanish but that it may have been brought to Europe in 1917 by US troops. This was by a bloke on the Discord to my Daughters Twitch page who said his college fees were paid for by Wheat exports to Russia from his dad's farm in Idaho during the cold war, who knew that while kids in the US were diving under their desks his dad was coining it on Ivan's Rubble's.S
"Spanish" flu was never Spanish and has never been attributed to it. Just that, at the end of WW1, most countries labs were still shrouded in secrecy and, whilst they had identified it, couldn't publish any results.

Spain, neutral in WW1, had no such constrictions and was credited with identifying it for the first time. The country that identifies it has the strange honour of having it named after them, hence Spanish flu.

France, China, Britain and the US have all been cited as the origins of the flu due to the huge movement of people when WW1 ended. 1st case attributed to it was a soldier in Kansas in 1918 but it's not known if it started there or if he had just returned from one of the war zones.
 

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