The Trump Presidency...

I try not to watch Fox News as it leaves me feeling not just badly informed but contaminated.

Err, Are these the same Executive Orders that the Republican Senator Ben Sasse said:
"The pen and phone theory of executive law making is unconstitutional slop"?
Oh dear, the supreme narcissist's had another hissy fit (and can't stop patting himself on the back while he does it).

'Donald Trump lashed out on Monday at a Republican senator who is criticising recent executive orders the president says would provide relief to those out of work due to the coronavirus and protect some from being evicted.

'Mr Trump used a Monday morning tweet to call Nebraska GOP Senator Ben Sasse a "RINO," short for "Republican in name only," and mocked him over his last Senate campaign.

"RINO Ben Sasse, who needed my support and endorsement in order to get the Republican nomination for Senate from the GREAT State of Nebraska, has, now that he's got it (Thank you President T), gone rogue, again," the president tweeted. "This foolishness plays right into the hands of the Radical Left Dems!"


 
Oh dear, the supreme narcissist's had another hissy fit (and can't stop patting himself on the back while he does it).

'Donald Trump lashed out on Monday at a Republican senator who is criticising recent executive orders the president says would provide relief to those out of work due to the coronavirus and protect some from being evicted.

'Mr Trump used a Monday morning tweet to call Nebraska GOP Senator Ben Sasse a "RINO," short for "Republican in name only," and mocked him over his last Senate campaign.

"RINO Ben Sasse, who needed my support and endorsement in order to get the Republican nomination for Senate from the GREAT State of Nebraska, has, now that he's got it (Thank you President T), gone rogue, again," the president tweeted. "This foolishness plays right into the hands of the Radical Left Dems!"


You can't make this stuff up can you, it's a reality TV shit show.
 
@Steamboat But if there isn't a payroll tax cut and the funding gets pushed to individual States then where do you think the shortfall is going to come from?
If only there was some kind of tax where people could pay weekly, now there's a new idea to think about.
 
@Steamboat But if there isn't a payroll tax cut and the funding gets pushed to individual States then where do you think the shortfall is going to come from?
The Payroll tax comes out of the Federal taxes that are already taken out of our checks.

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So in a nutshell I wouldn't have this removed from my check every month. If it is retroactive it would be back two pay periods for me giving me a nice little bump. This is a small effort to help the working class out. Because 200 bucks is better than nothing.
 
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The Payroll tax comes out of the Federal taxes that are already taken out of our checks.

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So in a nutshell I wouldn't have this removed from my check every month. If it is retroactive it would be back two pay periods for me giving me a nice little bump. This is a small effort to help the working class out. Because 200 bucks is better than nothing.
Yes, I get that and it is a good thing but Trump is touting this as a forever thing if he gets elected. A lot of people believe that they won't be paying this tax anymore which is not correct. By paying it through the Fed tax the higher population states are chipping in for the Wyomings etc, dumping it to each state would probably mean you may end up paying a lot more.
 
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Yes, I get that and it is a good thing but Trump is touting this as a forever thing if he gets elected. A lot of people believe that they won't be paying this tax anymore which is not correct. By paying it through the Fed tax the higher population states are chipping in for the Wyomings etc, dumping it to each state would probably mean you may end up paying a lot more.
But where does the Federal money go out here? To the infrastructure that is vital to the national well being. We don't get money from Uncle Sugar just to live here.

Trump has deferred the collection of it, and set up a one hell of a future fight with Congress. Should he lose the election the Dem's have to try to either forgive completely the amount deferred, or collect it. If he wins, momentum will be on his side to kill it and let the people "keep their money". When the public sees their paychecks go up, they are loathe to give it up. Woe be to any party that attempts to screw that up after dealing with the fallout from the worst financial crisis most of us have seen in our lifetimes. Whilst he may not be the most articulate person on the planet, his actions have shown that the American people are his priority. In bending the laws to help the common man and doing what Congress can't do, he is not hurting his image one bit.

I mean for FFS using executive authority to not evict people, is going to make the man look more like Robin Hood then Prince John. By offering to negotiate in good faith and signalling a willingness to sign a compromise bill, he makes himself look rather reasonable. Compared to the diehards in both parties that want to spend nothing, or spend everything plus more. If both parties could agree to a bill of about 1.6 to 1.9 Trillion, I would go along with it and not grumble and I think many other people would as well. I don't think the die hard right's position of no new spending is feasible nor do I agree with the ultra left's bullshit wish list.
 
But where does the Federal money go out here? To the infrastructure that is vital to the national well being. We don't get money from Uncle Sugar just to live here.
Wait, so you have collective provision for common-use services? That's a bit... socialist... isn't it?
 
Wait, so you have collective provision for common-use services? That's a bit... socialist... isn't it?
Dabbling in “Socialism” has been around since the New Deal. But it does not mean we go all out, “Just the tip” is fine. For example maintaining the Interstates so all can use is a Federal and State level responsibility.
 
But where does the Federal money go out here? To the infrastructure that is vital to the national well being. We don't get money from Uncle Sugar just to live here.

Trump has deferred the collection of it, and set up a one hell of a future fight with Congress. Should he lose the election the Dem's have to try to either forgive completely the amount deferred, or collect it. If he wins, momentum will be on his side to kill it and let the people "keep their money". When the public sees their paychecks go up, they are loathe to give it up. Woe be to any party that attempts to screw that up after dealing with the fallout from the worst financial crisis most of us have seen in our lifetimes. Whilst he may not be the most articulate person on the planet, his actions have shown that the American people are his priority. In bending the laws to help the common man and doing what Congress can't do, he is not hurting his image one bit.

I mean for FFS using executive authority to not evict people, is going to make the man look more like Robin Hood then Prince John. By offering to negotiate in good faith and signalling a willingness to sign a compromise bill, he makes himself look rather reasonable. Compared to the diehards in both parties that want to spend nothing, or spend everything plus more. If both parties could agree to a bill of about 1.6 to 1.9 Trillion, I would go along with it and not grumble and I think many other people would as well. I don't think the die hard right's position of no new spending is feasible nor do I agree with the ultra left's bullshit wish list.
Err..
Is this THE same Trump who as a property landlord in the 1980s and 1990 s was always in court for trying to illegally evict his tenants?
Especially poor and black ones in rent controlled buildings.
It is almost as if he hasn't ever given a flying @#££ for the American people, especially the poor ones.
Oh.
He hasn't, has he?
 
Err..
Is this THE same Trump who as a property landlord in the 1980s and 1990 s was always in court for trying to illegally evict his tenants?
Especially poor and black ones in rent controlled buildings.
It is almost as if he hasn't ever given a flying @#££ for the American people, especially the poor ones.
Oh.
He hasn't, has he?
Oh Hector, the Orange One was a private citizen not a saint.

But now he gets to be the man who helps out the common folk of all stripes. But your wonderful party is to busy looking like a bunch of out of touch a$$holes to even negotiate on the interests both sides share common ground on. It makes them look incredibly poor and spiteful. Half a loaf of bread is better than none, and it is a small attempt to help folks out.
 

ipso_facto

War Hero
I try not to watch Fox News as it leaves me feeling not just badly informed but contaminated.

Err, Are these the same Executive Orders that the Republican Senator Ben Sasse said:
"The pen and phone theory of executive law making is unconstitutional slop"?


The unconstitutional and probably illegal, not to mention unworkable Executive Orders (Oh, how Republicans used to scream when Obama used them...) and also, with the really bigly clever idea to rape the federal Hurricane recovery budget just as Hurricane season starts?
THOSE Executive Orders?
I still don't get the basis of your vituperance regarding President Trump. You need to answer an honest question that perhaps RedRacer puts very eloquently.

 

ipso_facto

War Hero
Something very dark and sinister has slowly taken over the Democratic Party recently and turned it into a blind cult. They have lost their minds and can't think straight.

What is green castle?

 
Oh Hector, the Orange One was a private citizen not a saint.

But now he gets to be the man who helps out the common folk of all stripes. But your wonderful party is to busy looking like a bunch of out of touch a$$holes to even negotiate on the interests both sides share common ground on. It makes them look incredibly poor and spiteful. Half a loaf of bread is better than none, and it is a small attempt to help folks out.
As the Supreme Court recently pointed out to the God Emperor, being President does not make you special or immune.
He was a thieving shit then, he is a thieving shit now.
The only difference is that instead of New York and people who live next to his golf courses, now he is in a position to ruin people's lives on a continental scale.
It's just a matter of degree.
 
Oh Hector, the Orange One was a private citizen not a saint.

But now he gets to be the man who helps out the common folk of all stripes. But your wonderful party is to busy looking like a bunch of out of touch a$$holes to even negotiate on the interests both sides share common ground on. It makes them look incredibly poor and spiteful. Half a loaf of bread is better than none, and it is a small attempt to help folks out.
As the Supreme Court recently pointed out to the God Emperor, being President does not make you special or immune.
He was a thieving shit then, he is a thieving shit now.
The only difference us that instead of New York and people who live next to his golf courses, now he is in a position to ruin people's lives on a continental scale.
It's just a matter of degree.


I still don't get the basis of your vituperance regarding President Trump. You need to answer an honest question that perhaps RedRacer puts very eloquently.

I am a civilised human being.
I despise everything Trump represents.
 
And the EC which doesn't automatically reflect the popular vote, because that's not the way the system was set up.
Its never was designed to reflect the popular vote, if we went by that alone

California, Texas, Florida and New York would decide All national elections and the other states would have no say, their votes would not count at all.

Whats amusing is the rage from the democrats about the Electoral college that they have known decided presidential elections for over 218 years. Suddenly on Nov 9th 2016 they start crying about it.
 

Something my buddies overseas need to read. In the 5th Stimulus battle, Trump has managed to pull the rug out from under Nancy and Chuckie. They can stomp and shout all they want but, if they hold up the EO’s they will bear the brunt of the common folk trying to make ends meet. Which is likely to happen because everybody is going to equate Nancy with no stimulus check right before school opens up. Not a position to be in, when you deliberately try to tank the economy for political gain the voters will remember.
I believe his E.O. will be found Unconstitutional. Only Congress gets to apportion monies
 
I believe his E.O. will be found Unconstitutional. Only Congress gets to apportion monies
Yes, but who in their right mind is going to challenge them? To do so would cut off the enhanced unemployment and let people be evicted. That is a losing strategy in order to prove him wrong.
 
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