The Trump Presidency...

Goatman

ADC
Book Reviewer
Washington Post June 27, 2020
Young people urged to take virus more seriously as pandemic worsens in U.S.

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Tubers float the Comal River in New Braunfels, Tex., on Thursday. The next day, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott closed some tubing and rafting businesses.
By
Annie Gowen,
Arelis R. Hernández and
Lori Rozsa
June 27, 2020 at 3:00 p.m. GMT+1

Health officials are imploring young people to wear masks and practice social distancing as coronavirus transmission among younger Americans continues to drive record outbreaks in several states.
The pleas come as governors in Texas and Florida instituted new limits on bars and alcohol consumption to stop the spread of the novel coronavirus, citing the skyrocketing number of young people who are contracting it. At the White House on Friday, Vice President Pence and other members of the Trump administration’s coronavirus task force, in its first briefing in weeks, urged young people to take the virus more seriously.

“Younger Americans have a particular responsibility to make sure that they’re not carrying the coronavirus into settings where they would expose the most vulnerable,” Pence said.

Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said younger people are often asymptomatic or have mild symptoms but can easily spread the virus to older or immune-compromised patients.


Worried about a second wave of coronavirus? We’re still in the first.


As states reopen and more tests are conducted, coronavirus cases continue to ravage the U.S.

While the virus is most dangerous to the elderly, it can be devastating to younger victims as well, health professionals said.

Younger patients are a widening percentage of total coronavirus hospitalizations, with those in the 18-to-49 age group growing from about 27 percent of hospitalizations the week ending March 7 to 35 percent this past week, CDC figures show.

Officials across the country — from Ohio to Arizona — said coronavirus cases among young people were spiking as many states that were slow to shut down in the early days of the pandemic threw their doors open again.

In Texas, Republican Gov. Greg Abbott on Friday closed bars except for delivery and takeout, limited restaurant capacity to 50 percent and closed popular rafting and tubing businesses that drove hundreds of young people to gather on spots near New Braunfels and the Comal River. More than half of new cases in the counties that encompass Austin, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio came among the young, authorities said.

Pence says it is ‘encouraging news’ that many new coronavirus cases are young Americans

Vice President Pence contradicted previous testimony of Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, during a news conference on June 26.

Mark Escott, Austin’s medical director, said case investigation and contact tracing are challenging because people have been interacting with more people in recent weeks. His team recently learned about a large party in the city’s western suburbs that attracted 300 to 400 high schoolers to a single location. The students were together for hours.

“There is concern about substantial transmission, and there’s an effort now to identify those individuals,” said Escott, who did contact tracing for another cluster of young people who went to Cabo San Lucas for spring break and brought the virus home.

Escott said increasing numbers of young people are ending up in ICUs and on ventilators because so many are infected with the virus. Escott said some young people will be forever changed by the virus, unable to return to a normal life or work.


“This is a devastating disease, and this is not something you want to take chances with because the impact is just so variable that it’s very hard to predict who’s going to do well and who is not,” he said.
In Oklahoma, Gov. Kevin Stitt (R) said nearly half of all coronavirus cases diagnosed after the state reopened in late April have been among people under 35. The vast majority — 70 percent — of cases since reopening have been diagnosed in people under 50. Stitt said the state will not order any businesses to close. More than 12,000 Oklahomans have been diagnosed with the coronavirus.

Tulsa’s health director, Bruce Dart, said new cases and hospitalizations are at record highs; 40 percent of the cases and a quarter of hospitalizations from the virus are among people ages 18 to 35. Last weekend, 6,200 people attended an indoor rally with President Trump.


“They’re conducting themselves like it’s pre-covid, and that’s not going to work anymore,” Dart said. The younger cohort is “not social distancing, not wearing masks or paying attention to hand-washing. These are the only tools we have to break the chain of transmission now.”

Dart said it was too soon to tell whether any new cases would stem from Trump’s rally, where several of his Secret Service and staff members tested positive for the virus, and that any impact would not show until later this week.

There have not been large increases in infections in Minnesota, New York and the District, where the country’s largest protests against police brutality took place earlier this month. It is difficult to know whether protests are causing a rise in states with skyrocketing infection rates, including Texas, where statistics show that 1 in 10 tested are positive.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said earlier this week that the state had a “real explosion” of cases among the young — including a drop in the median age of new cases, from 65 to 35. DeSantis’s decision to close bars is an attempt to quell risky socializing; in recent days, officials yanked liquor licenses from bars that were not adhering to social distancing and capacity guidelines.

Geoff Beere, a student at the University of Miami and a club promoter, said that when bars in Florida reopened in June, they were quickly packed — even those that tried to enforce social distancing. He said students were tired of being cooped up during the statewide stay-at-home order.

“College kids are gonna be a little bit more stupid about things than older people, maybe a little more reckless,” he said.
Now that bars and clubs have been effectively shut again as the state prohibits businesses from selling alcohol indoors, he predicts parties and pool parties that flourished at the beginning of the pandemic will do so again.


Beere said he is cognizant of the spread of the coronavirus among his age group, but he is not overly concerned.
“I don’t feel invincible, and the virus is obviously serious,” he said. “But in the same sense, I’m young, I’m healthy, and it’s not likely to kill someone like me. But I know it can affect somebody else.”

Beere wears a mask during his daily life when he goes to the gym or grocery shopping, but not when he is at a club or a party.

“I’m not anti-mask,” Beere said. “But you really can’t drink with it on.”

In Oklahoma, several large-scale events have been canceled as the state’s cases have spiked, including a popular Oktoberfest in Tulsa and the state fair. But in-person high school graduations have gone on, and several communities are having Fourth of July celebrations. The party has not stopped at Dripping Springs, the cove at Grand Lake O’ the Cherokees in northeastern Oklahoma where revelers on boats tie up, drink, mingle in the water and turn up the country music.


“You’re taking a chance going down there, but it’s slimmer than going to a night club or bar surrounded by people you don’t know,” said Kaden Clites, a Butler Community College student from Wichita who spent a day on a boat in the party cove with some friends earlier this month.

Restaurants and bars in Oklahoma are operating without restrictions, and Stitt said in a news conference Thursday that would continue.
“Closing down the economy is not part of the discussions at this point,” Stitt said.

Matthew Broberg-Moffitt, 38, an immunocompromised writer who lives in Oklahoma City, said few of the young people in his town embraced masks.
Shortly after the state eased its restrictions on reopening, he passed an upscale pizza place in the town’s Plaza District and saw dozens of young people milling about outside, without social distancing.


“It’s very distressing,” Broberg-Moffitt said. “It’s definitely causing me to lose sleep — and I feel a lot of anger. I’m not an angry person. I was a Buddhist monk for a while. But I’m having a lot of pent-up anger and moments that are almost like rage at how poorly this is being handled.”

He continued: “I’m like, ‘How is this even possible?’ ”
 
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I wouldn’t use the Germans as role models for much of anything anymore.

They are well known for cheating, and COVID is no different. So apologies but I would prefer to debate the merits of your system that is at least open and transparent. So apologies but some countries are openly dismissed, because they have a reputation.
You're going to have to cite a credible source for Germany having cheated on the Covid responses and figures, and that that they are well known for cheating.

Reputations aren't always accurate and are sometimes talked up and misrepresented by agenda driven news sources. Here's one where Fox News tried to do a hatchet job on Denmark, you know, the one where you think they live a miserable socialist life. It's only a couple of minutes long so I'm sure it won't tax (geddit) you too much:


The link I previously posted for you about Germany is by a US expat who's actually lived in Germany for a number of years and has seen it close up, so you can compare and contrast with any preconceptions you have or 'reputations' you've heard about

We do in theory have means to cover most people in the country, be it private or socialized care. But the mindset to go European is lacking.

And that's the rub. It's the US mindset which is what Reid homed in on in his book and TBH which you are demonstrating.

Whilst being an individualist is admirable, an over emphasis on this applied to how society (careful, because society has s, o, c and an i in it, it doesn't mean socialist) organises itself can be detrimental, not just to others but to the citizens in general. And you can still be individualistic in a country with universal healthcare.
 
Washington Post June 27, 2020
Young people urged to take virus more seriously as pandemic worsens in U.S.

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Tubers float the Comal River in New Braunfels, Tex., on Thursday. The next day, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott closed some tubing and rafting businesses.
By
Annie Gowen,
Arelis R. Hernández and
Lori Rozsa
June 27, 2020 at 3:00 p.m. GMT+1

Health officials are imploring young people to wear masks and practice social distancing as coronavirus transmission among younger Americans continues to drive record outbreaks in several states.
The pleas come as governors in Texas and Florida instituted new limits on bars and alcohol consumption to stop the spread of the novel coronavirus, citing the skyrocketing number of young people who are contracting it. At the White House on Friday, Vice President Pence and other members of the Trump administration’s coronavirus task force, in its first briefing in weeks, urged young people to take the virus more seriously.

“Younger Americans have a particular responsibility to make sure that they’re not carrying the coronavirus into settings where they would expose the most vulnerable,” Pence said.

Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said younger people are often asymptomatic or have mild symptoms but can easily spread the virus to older or immune-compromised patients.


Worried about a second wave of coronavirus? We’re still in the first.


As states reopen and more tests are conducted, coronavirus cases continue to ravage the U.S.

While the virus is most dangerous to the elderly, it can be devastating to younger victims as well, health professionals said.

Younger patients are a widening percentage of total coronavirus hospitalizations, with those in the 18-to-49 age group growing from about 27 percent of hospitalizations the week ending March 7 to 35 percent this past week, CDC figures show.

Officials across the country — from Ohio to Arizona — said coronavirus cases among young people were spiking as many states that were slow to shut down in the early days of the pandemic threw their doors open again.

In Texas, Republican Gov. Greg Abbott on Friday closed bars except for delivery and takeout, limited restaurant capacity to 50 percent and closed popular rafting and tubing businesses that drove hundreds of young people to gather on spots near New Braunfels and the Comal River. More than half of new cases in the counties that encompass Austin, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio came among the young, authorities said.

Pence says it is ‘encouraging news’ that many new coronavirus cases are young Americans

Vice President Pence contradicted previous testimony of Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, during a news conference on June 26.

Mark Escott, Austin’s medical director, said case investigation and contact tracing are challenging because people have been interacting with more people in recent weeks. His team recently learned about a large party in the city’s western suburbs that attracted 300 to 400 high schoolers to a single location. The students were together for hours.

“There is concern about substantial transmission, and there’s an effort now to identify those individuals,” said Escott, who did contact tracing for another cluster of young people who went to Cabo San Lucas for spring break and brought the virus home.

Escott said increasing numbers of young people are ending up in ICUs and on ventilators because so many are infected with the virus. Escott said some young people will be forever changed by the virus, unable to return to a normal life or work.


“This is a devastating disease, and this is not something you want to take chances with because the impact is just so variable that it’s very hard to predict who’s going to do well and who is not,” he said.
In Oklahoma, Gov. Kevin Stitt (R) said nearly half of all coronavirus cases diagnosed after the state reopened in late April have been among people under 35. The vast majority — 70 percent — of cases since reopening have been diagnosed in people under 50. Stitt said the state will not order any businesses to close. More than 12,000 Oklahomans have been diagnosed with the coronavirus.

Tulsa’s health director, Bruce Dart, said new cases and hospitalizations are at record highs; 40 percent of the cases and a quarter of hospitalizations from the virus are among people ages 18 to 35. Last weekend, 6,200 people attended an indoor rally with President Trump.


“They’re conducting themselves like it’s pre-covid, and that’s not going to work anymore,” Dart said. The younger cohort is “not social distancing, not wearing masks or paying attention to hand-washing. These are the only tools we have to break the chain of transmission now.”

Dart said it was too soon to tell whether any new cases would stem from Trump’s rally, where several of his Secret Service and staff members tested positive for the virus, and that any impact would not show until later this week.

There have not been large increases in infections in Minnesota, New York and the District, where the country’s largest protests against police brutality took place earlier this month. It is difficult to know whether protests are causing a rise in states with skyrocketing infection rates, including Texas, where statistics show that 1 in 10 tested are positive.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said earlier this week that the state had a “real explosion” of cases among the young — including a drop in the median age of new cases, from 65 to 35. DeSantis’s decision to close bars is an attempt to quell risky socializing; in recent days, officials yanked liquor licenses from bars that were not adhering to social distancing and capacity guidelines.

Geoff Beere, a student at the University of Miami and a club promoter, said that when bars in Florida reopened in June, they were quickly packed — even those that tried to enforce social distancing. He said students were tired of being cooped up during the statewide stay-at-home order.

“College kids are gonna be a little bit more stupid about things than older people, maybe a little more reckless,” he said.
Now that bars and clubs have been effectively shut again as the state prohibits businesses from selling alcohol indoors, he predicts parties and pool parties that flourished at the beginning of the pandemic will do so again.


Beere said he is cognizant of the spread of the coronavirus among his age group, but he is not overly concerned.
“I don’t feel invincible, and the virus is obviously serious,” he said. “But in the same sense, I’m young, I’m healthy, and it’s not likely to kill someone like me. But I know it can affect somebody else.”

Beere wears a mask during his daily life when he goes to the gym or grocery shopping, but not when he is at a club or a party.

“I’m not anti-mask,” Beere said. “But you really can’t drink with it on.”

In Oklahoma, several large-scale events have been canceled as the state’s cases have spiked, including a popular Oktoberfest in Tulsa and the state fair. But in-person high school graduations have gone on, and several communities are having Fourth of July celebrations. The party has not stopped at Dripping Springs, the cove at Grand Lake O’ the Cherokees in northeastern Oklahoma where revelers on boats tie up, drink, mingle in the water and turn up the country music.


“You’re taking a chance going down there, but it’s slimmer than going to a night club or bar surrounded by people you don’t know,” said Kaden Clites, a Butler Community College student from Wichita who spent a day on a boat in the party cove with some friends earlier this month.

Restaurants and bars in Oklahoma are operating without restrictions, and Stitt said in a news conference Thursday that would continue.
“Closing down the economy is not part of the discussions at this point,” Stitt said.

Matthew Broberg-Moffitt, 38, an immunocompromised writer who lives in Oklahoma City, said few of the young people in his town embraced masks.
Shortly after the state eased its restrictions on reopening, he passed an upscale pizza place in the town’s Plaza District and saw dozens of young people milling about outside, without social distancing.


“It’s very distressing,” Broberg-Moffitt said. “It’s definitely causing me to lose sleep — and I feel a lot of anger. I’m not an angry person. I was a Buddhist monk for a while. But I’m having a lot of pent-up anger and moments that are almost like rage at how poorly this is being handled.”

He continued: “I’m like, ‘How is this even possible?’ ”
...and see our beaches over the past few weeks.

A person can be intelligent. 'The People' are dumb.
 

ipso_facto

Old-Salt
This is Archbishop Vigano's open letter to President Trump on 7th June. Worth a read as he has understood what The President has really taken on and what he is battling.

Open Letter to President Donald Trump from the Carlo Maria Vigano, Archbishop of Ulpiana - Marriage & Family - Home & Family - News - Catholic Online

Mr. President,

In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority. And yet the former are the object of a sort of discrimination which places them in a situation of moral inferiority with respect to their adversaries, who often hold strategic positions in government, in politics, in the economy and in the media. In an apparently inexplicable way, the good are held hostage by the wicked and by those who help them either out of self-interest or fearfulness.

These two sides, which have a Biblical nature, follow the clear separation between the offspring of the Woman and the offspring of the Serpent. On the one hand there are those who, although they have a thousand defects and weaknesses, are motivated by the desire to do good, to be honest, to raise a family, to engage in work, to give prosperity to their homeland, to help the needy, and, in obedience to the Law of God, to merit the Kingdom of Heaven. On the other hand, there are those who serve themselves, who do not hold any moral principles, who want to demolish the family and the nation, exploit workers to make themselves unduly wealthy, foment internal divisions and wars, and accumulate power and money: for them the fallacious illusion of temporal well-being will one day -- if they do not repent -- yield to the terrible fate that awaits them, far from God, in eternal damnation.

In society, Mr. President, these two opposing realities co-exist as eternal enemies, just as God and Satan are eternal enemies. And it appears that the children of darkness -- whom we may easily identify with the deep state which you wisely oppose and which is fiercely waging war against you in these days -- have decided to show their cards, so to speak, by now revealing their plans. They seem to be so certain of already having everything under control that they have laid aside that circumspection that until now had at least partially concealed their true intentions. The investigations already under way will reveal the true responsibility of those who managed the Covid emergency not only in the area of health care but also in politics, the economy, and the media. We will probably find that in this colossal operation of social engineering there are people who have decided the fate of humanity, arrogating to themselves the right to act against the will of citizens and their representatives in the governments of nations.

We will also discover that the riots in these days were provoked by those who, seeing that the virus is inevitably fading and that the social alarm of the pandemic is waning, necessarily have had to provoke civil disturbances, because they would be followed by repression which, although legitimate, could be condemned as an unjustified aggression against the population. The same thing is also happening in Europe, in perfect synchrony. It is quite clear that the use of street protests is instrumental to the purposes of those who would like to see someone elected in the upcoming presidential elections who embodies the goals of the deep state and who expresses those goals faithfully and with conviction. It will not be surprising if, in a few months, we learn once again that hidden behind these acts of vandalism and violence there are those who hope to profit from the dissolution of the social order so as to build a world without freedom: Solve et Coagula, as the Masonic adage teaches.

Although it may seem disconcerting, the opposing alignments I have described are also found in religious circles. There are faithful Shepherds who care for the flock of Christ, but there are also mercenary infidels who seek to scatter the flock and hand the sheep over to be devoured by ravenous wolves. It is not surprising that these mercenaries are allies of the children of darkness and hate the children of light: just as there is a deep state, there is also a deep church that betrays its duties and forswears its proper commitments before God. Thus the Invisible Enemy, whom good rulers fight against in public affairs, is also fought against by good shepherds in the ecclesiastical sphere. It is a spiritual battle, which I spoke about in my recent Appeal which was published on May 8.

For the first time, the United States has in you a President who courageously defends the right to life, who is not ashamed to denounce the persecution of Christians throughout the world, who speaks of Jesus Christ and the right of citizens to freedom of worship. Your participation in the March for Life, and more recently your proclamation of the month of April as National Child Abuse Prevention Month, are actions that confirm which side you wish to fight on. And I dare to believe that both of us are on the same side in this battle, albeit with different weapons.

For this reason, I believe that the attack to which you were subjected after your visit to the National Shrine of Saint John Paul II is part of the orchestrated media narrative which seeks not to fight racism and bring social order, but to aggravate dispositions; not to bring justice, but to legitimize violence and crime; not to serve the truth, but to favor one political faction. And it is disconcerting that there are Bishops -- such as those whom I recently denounced -- who, by their words, prove that they are aligned on the opposing side. They are subservient to the deep state, to globalism, to aligned thought, to the New World Order which they invoke ever more frequently in the name of a universal brotherhood which has nothing Christian about it, but which evokes the Masonic ideals of those want to dominate the world by driving God out of the courts, out of schools, out of families, and perhaps even out of churches.

The American people are mature and have now understood how much the mainstream media does not want to spread the truth but seeks to silence and distort it, spreading the lie that is useful for the purposes of their masters. However, it is important that the good -- who are the majority --wake up from their sluggishness and do not accept being deceived by a minority of dishonest people with unavowable purposes. It is necessary that the good, the children of light, come together and make their voices heard. What more effective way is there to do this, Mr. President, than by prayer, asking the Lord to protect you, the United States, and all of humanity from this enormous attack of the Enemy? Before the power of prayer, the deceptions of the children of darkness will collapse, their plots will be revealed, their betrayal will be shown, their frightening power will end in nothing, brought to light and exposed for what it is: an infernal deception.

Mr. President, my prayer is constantly turned to the beloved American nation, where I had the privilege and honor of being sent by Pope Benedict XVI as Apostolic Nuncio. In this dramatic and decisive hour for all of humanity, I am praying for you and also for all those who are at your side in the government of the United States. I trust that the American people are united with me and you in prayer to Almighty God.

United against the Invisible Enemy of all humanity, I bless you and the First Lady, the beloved American nation, and all men and women of good will.

+ Carlo Maria Vigano
Titular Archbishop of Ulpiana
Former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of Americq




 

Goatman

ADC
Book Reviewer
Jolly good......this phrase is the key bit of dog-whistle

' orchestrated media narrative '

Ask Alistair Campbell about ' Orchestrating the media narrative ' .

I have worked in government media relations for a while, amongst other wacky incarnations.

I have had one-to-one encounters with the British and International media here, rather than media outfits based in USA.

So I can therefore only speak from personal experience of UK/Europe.

During the Blair years, Campbell tried very hard to do exactly that.

In some measure he was succesful, but ultimately failed to CONTROL what was written,broadcast or disseminated via social media ,particularly the Twittersphere.
Which is where El Presidente seems to focus much of his personal energy.

Anyone who thinks 'the Meejah' can be orchestrated has already lost touch with the shambolic,chaotic nature of the beast up close and personal.

The only 'narrative' to consider is this ' Will this grab the reader's attention?'

The idea that someone...anyone...is bending facts over COVID-19 to discredit Mr Trump just really isn't seeing the big picture today.

PS....this is the cleric in question:

Editor's note: President Donald Trump tweeted June 10 that he was "honored" to have received an "incredible" letter from former Apostolic Nuncio Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano — an open letter published on LifeSiteNews, a right-wing website that claims the letter has been viewed more than 2.5 million times. Who is Archbishop Vigano? An outspoken critic of Pope Francis, he gained a following after publishing a letter calling on the pope to resign. At that time, we published this backgrounder on Vigano. We are republishing it today.

Who is Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano?

He's an embittered 77 year old Vatican insider who has failed to make Cardinal.
Roman Catholic Church politics......<yawn>

'' As for Vigano's latest letter, church historians see it as a continuation of longstanding backstabbing and infighting within the highest ranks of the church but within a new context: That is, open, where the wider Catholic community watches it play out publicly in real time.

"It's as if the Borgias and the Medicis had Twitter accounts," said Christopher Bellitto, a professor of church history at Kean University, in Union, New Jersey.

Bellitto described the history of early church councils from the fourth to the seventh centuries filled with "accounts of people shouting at each other, throwing things at each other, wrestling with each other, pulling each other's beards." Many of Paul's letters, he added, amount to pleas for early Christians to stop fighting with each other. At one point during the Great Western Schism, in the late 14th century, skirmishes broke out between militaries aligned with the pope in Rome and the pope in Avignon, France.

Like with many past church rows, the letter from Vigano amounts to a struggle for power, he said. ''
 
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...and see our beaches over the past few weeks.

A person can be intelligent. 'The People' are dumb.
But there are different factors encouraging the Dumb in America.
The Loony Right, the survivalists, the boogaloo insurrectionists, the well regulated militias, the God bothered, the conspiracy theorists..

Most of whom also seem to not be brown or vote Democrat.

All of which conspire to make the US experience of the virus worse.

There are always the young and dumb, but when their so called elders and betters are frothing madmen there isn't much hope that they will change.
 
Jolly good......this phrase is the key bit of dog-whistle

' orchestrated media narrative '

Ask Alistair Campbell about ' Orchestrating the media narrative ' .

I have worked in government media relations for a while, amongst other wacky incarnations.

I have had one-to-one encounters with the British and International media here, rather than media outfits based in USA.

So I can therefore only speak from personal experience of UK/Europe.

During the Blair years, Campbell tried very hard to do exactly that.

In some measure he was succesful, but ultimately failed to CONTROL what was written,broadcast or disseminated via social media ,particularly the Twittersphere.
Which is where El Presidente seems to focus much of his personal energy.

Anyone who thinks 'the Meejah' can be orchestrated has already lost touch with the shambolic,chaotic nature of the beast up close and personal.

The only 'narrative' to consider is this ' Will this grab the reader's attention?'

The idea that someone...anyone...is bending facts over COVID-19 to discredit Mr Trump just really isn't seeing the big picture today.

PS....this is the cleric in question:

Editor's note: President Donald Trump tweeted June 10 that he was "honored" to have received an "incredible" letter from former Apostolic Nuncio Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano — an open letter published on LifeSiteNews, a right-wing website that claims the letter has been viewed more than 2.5 million times. Who is Archbishop Vigano? An outspoken critic of Pope Francis, he gained a following after publishing a letter calling on the pope to resign. At that time, we published this backgrounder on Vigano. We are republishing it today.

Who is Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano?

He's an embittered 77 year old Vatican insider who has failed to make Cardinal.
Roman Catholic Church politics......<yawn>
Paragraph 2 is exactly correct.
It is a spot on description of the ghastly and corrupt Trump administration.
It seems to belong in a different letter.
I call fake news.
 

Goatman

ADC
Book Reviewer
who is orchestrating anything on Arrse?
wow, full marks for paranoia there Ipso.

From personal experience ' orchestrating the media narrative' in a Western Democracy*
is akin to nailing jelly to a wall whilst wearing boxing gloves and exerting mind-control over your herd of cats.

Good luck with that sport - most of us will watch in bemused admiration as you attempt it :-D




* for want of a better word
 

rampant

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
I've put this in the relevant thread, but also deserves to be in here, apparently the administration have known about the bounties fro over a year, and Bolton has said he briefed the President on them himself

 

ipso_facto

Old-Salt
From personal experience ' orchestrating the media narrative' in a Western Democracy*
is akin to nailing jelly to a wall whilst wearing boxing gloves and exerting mind-control over your herd of cats.

Good luck with that sport - most of us will watch in bemused admiration as you attempt it :-D
* for want of a better word
Oh so you think the media is independent? In America only 6 organisations own 90% of the news media. They receive a 4 am talking point and all the outlets use the exact scripted words for their news.

 
Oh so you think the media is independent? In America only 6 organisations own 90% of the news media. They receive a 4 am talking point and all the outlets use the exact scripted words for their news.

And the most watched organisation is Fox News, which has been relentlessly peddling Trump propaganda for years.
Are they on-script now that they have started to turn against him for his blatant incompetence?
 
Jolly good......this phrase is the key bit of dog-whistle

Who is Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano?

He's an embittered 77 year old Vatican insider who has failed to make Cardinal.
Roman Catholic Church politics......<yawn>

'' As for Vigano's latest letter, church historians see it as a continuation of longstanding backstabbing and infighting within the highest ranks of the church but within a new context: That is, open, where the wider Catholic community watches it play out publicly in real time.

"It's as if the Borgias and the Medicis had Twitter accounts," said Christopher Bellitto, a professor of church history at Kean University, in Union, New Jersey.

Bellitto described the history of early church councils from the fourth to the seventh centuries filled with "accounts of people shouting at each other, throwing things at each other, wrestling with each other, pulling each other's beards." Many of Paul's letters, he added, amount to pleas for early Christians to stop fighting with each other. At one point during the Great Western Schism, in the late 14th century, skirmishes broke out between militaries aligned with the pope in Rome and the pope in Avignon, France.

Like with many past church rows, the letter from Vigano amounts to a struggle for power, he said. ''
Yep, apparently it's all a Masonic plot. I'm surprised he didn't manage to get the Gnomes of Zurich, the Illuminati and Dan Brown in there too.

'They are subservient to the deep state, to globalism, to aligned thought, to the New World Order which they invoke ever more frequently in the name of a universal brotherhood which has nothing Christian about it, but which evokes the Masonic ideals of those want to dominate the world by driving God out of the courts, out of schools, out of families, and perhaps even out of churches.'
 
Contrary to the orchestrated narrative on this site, Archbishop Vigano tackled the Vatican corruption head on. Nothing embittered about him but indeed a very brave man going against some of the stupidity of the Vatican.
He's a grown man who believes in sky fairies, he's almost as mental as you.
 
And for you anti-pythonists...


Trumps an areshole from minute one, only now the US are beginning to spot this after over 3 years prehaps skills and education would be better than a shyt landlord running the country..... November.
His true vocation should have been a cot death and thus make the planet a better place.
 
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You're going to have to cite a credible source for Germany having cheated on the Covid responses and figures, and that that they are well known for cheating.

Reputations aren't always accurate and are sometimes talked up and misrepresented by agenda driven news sources. Here's one where Fox News tried to do a hatchet job on Denmark, you know, the one where you think they live a miserable socialist life. It's only a couple of minutes long so I'm sure it won't tax (geddit) you too much:


The link I previously posted for you about Germany is by a US expat who's actually lived in Germany for a number of years and has seen it close up, so you can compare and contrast with any preconceptions you have or 'reputations' you've heard about



And that's the rub. It's the US mindset which is what Reid homed in on in his book and TBH which you are demonstrating.

Whilst being an individualist is admirable, an over emphasis on this applied to how society (careful, because society has s, o, c and an i in it, it doesn't mean socialist) organises itself can be detrimental, not just to others but to the citizens in general. And you can still be individualistic in a country with universal healthcare.

The Germans have been under counting their COVID deaths which naturally make their statists look better, compared to the rest of the world.

Now one thing I do wonder about, is are the Danes like the Germans when it comes to sorting out who will go on to get a university education and who will go on to a trade school? We don’t have that sorting hat, and everybody can go if they want.
 
Oh so you think the media is independent? In America only 6 organisations own 90% of the news media. They receive a 4 am talking point and all the outlets use the exact scripted words for their news.

Mad.

If a category five hurricane was approaching Florida how would the 16,000 thousand radio and TV stations across America announce it at approximately the same time (say the 8am news).

Can you think of 16,000 different ways to say "A category 5 hurricane is approaching Florida"?.

Ditto anything of importance.
 
Mad.

If a category five hurricane was approaching Florida how would the 16,000 thousand radio and TV stations across America announce it at approximately the same time (say the 8am news).

Can you think of 16,000 different ways to say "A category 5 hurricane is approaching Florida"?.

Ditto anything of importance.
A satellite map with arrows and a time stamp in the corner?
 

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