The Trump Presidency...

Taxes are high, but nowhere near as high as American commentators try to make out unless you're a very high earner. I'm sure eclipsing the US in pretty much every measure of quality of life more than makes up for it.
A 25 percent sales tax?! I cry at 6 percent. Forgive me for scoffing...But what happens if the tax base were to decrease?
 
Taxes are high, but nowhere near as high as American commentators try to make out unless you're a very high earner. I'm sure eclipsing the US in pretty much every measure of quality of life more than makes up for it.
Also has a population less than 1/3rd of the city, I am currently in.
 
I think population density is a big factor for the UK, but I imagine your BAME population is also taking it on the chin as well? I also think that in many cases it comes down to triage when you don't have the resources to deal with the number of critical patients. But I don't think that is going to be different in any part of the world. If you don't have the ability to realistically treat every patient, then doctors get to pick and choose whom has the best chance of survival and focus on them.

The wonderful thing about the US is that we can choose to be utter slobs and die early, or health fanatics and hopefully beat the national average.

We have many programs for low income individuals, but the attitude that government is responsible for all aspects of a persons life is not applicable in many parts of the country. People have a say in their own fate, and your actions determine much of how you live or don't live either.
But if you can't afford it you don't have a say in your own fate. And being a health fanatic won't bet a pre-disposition to a genetic affliction or having an accident.

I'm not sure you're getting what is being put to you. You don't necessarily need a 'socialised' health care system to have universal healthcare.

It can be through private insurance at private hospitals of anyone's choosing. But it will rely on everyone having insurance to a legislated and common standard so that there are no exemptions to what is covered.

Other countries do it to varying degrees. I gave you a link to one but from your responses it seems you didn't bother to watch.
 
But if you can't afford it you don't have a say in your own fate. And being a health fanatic won't bet a pre-disposition to a genetic affliction or having an accident.

I'm not sure you're getting what is being put to you. You don't necessarily need a 'socialised' health care system to have universal healthcare.

It can be through private insurance at private hospitals of anyone's choosing. But it will rely on everyone having insurance to a legislated and common standard so that there are no exemptions to what is covered.

Other countries do it to varying degrees. I gave you a link to one but from your responses it seems you didn't bother to watch.
I wouldn’t use the Germans as role models for much of anything anymore.

They are well known for cheating, and COVID is no different. So apologies but I would prefer to debate the merits of your system that is at least open and transparent. So apologies but some countries are openly dismissed, because they have a reputation.

We do in theory have means to cover most people in the country, be it private or socialized care. But the mindset to go European is lacking.

 
The higher taxes in these places also pay for, amongst other things:
A good state education system.
Profesional state fire brigade/service.
Police.
Ambulance.
Refuse collection and disposal.

So it’s quite difficult to isolate what is crudely or broadly a “health tax”.

I still think most ArRSers are trying to do the same or a similar thing as they accuse @Steamboat of doing, namely apply one nation’s cultural normal onto another’s. It doesn’t work. Many can’t understand the second amendment, it’s an alien concept, just as ‘free’ at point of delivery health care is.

(At least one of) The terrorist attack(s) at Westminster resulted in US citizens being injured. Do you think (Steamboat) that they were asked as they were picked up by the ambulance/wheeled into the hospital how they were going to pay for their treatment?

The injured US citizens WILL tell you that they were well treated. The Danish KNOW that they will be highly taxed, but it doesn’t seem to disuade them from trying to earn more.
 
I think what terrifies Americans is the clever use of "socialised" medicine by the medical lobby. If you just called it universal health care it might make internal discussion easier.

After all, this discussion is not merely about the state provision of services. The fact that the state is responsible for certain things is a given in all western countries.

Nobody would argue that education to 18, law enforcement, the armed services, road and transport infrastructure, libraries etc are "socialised" because they are run by the federal government or the individual states.

Europeans and others just have the notion that medical care should be universal as a general humane standard in itself and to avoid people falling through the gaps (the unemployed, existing conditions, deaths from non-treatment, bankruptcies and so forth).
 
I think what terrifies Americans is the clever use of "socialised" medicine by the medical lobby. If you just called it universal health care it might make internal discussion easier.

After all, this discussion is not merely about the state provision of services. The fact that the state is responsible for certain things is a given in all western countries.

Nobody would argue that education to 18, law enforcement, the armed services, road and transport infrastructure, libraries etc are "socialised" because they are run by the federal government or the individual states.

Europeans and others just have the notion that medical care should be universal as a general humane standard in itself and to avoid people falling through the gaps (the unemployed, existing conditions, deaths from non-treatment, bankruptcies and so forth).
I would agree with that. When one thinks of "Socialized Medicine" one thinks of the government taking over healthcare and in good order really F*cking it up. Obamacare did not impress to many people when all the tenets of being cheaper, keeping your doctor etc were broken. That tends to stick in people's minds for decades. I know it only made my insurance more expensive.
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I would agree with that. When one thinks of "Socialized Medicine" one thinks of the government taking over healthcare and in good order really F*cking it up. Obamacare did not impress to many people when all the tenets of being cheaper, keeping your doctor etc were broken. That tends to stick in people's minds for decades. I know it only made my insurance more expensive.
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I think Ronnies words disparage the millions of civil servants who work for the federal or state governments (and were fully intended to).

That statement is nonsense when applied to fire departments, the various law enforcement agencies, the US Weather Service etc.
 
The higher taxes in these places also pay for, amongst other things:
A good state education system.
Profesional state fire brigade/service.
Police.
Ambulance.
Refuse collection and disposal.

So it’s quite difficult to isolate what is crudely or broadly a “health tax”.

I still think most ArRSers are trying to do the same or a similar thing as they accuse @Steamboat of doing, namely apply one nation’s cultural normal onto another’s. It doesn’t work. Many can’t understand the second amendment, it’s an alien concept, just as ‘free’ at point of delivery health care is.

(At least one of) The terrorist attack(s) at Westminster resulted in US citizens being injured. Do you think (Steamboat) that they were asked as they were picked up by the ambulance/wheeled into the hospital how they were going to pay for their treatment?

The injured US citizens WILL tell you that they were well treated. The Danish KNOW that they will be highly taxed, but it doesn’t seem to disuade them from trying to earn more.
No I would hope not, as if anything were to happen to one of your citizens in a terrorist attack they would be treated without worrying about insurance.

But the general public is not going to be willing to pay heavily for others to get elective surgeries etc, that are covered by the NHS. Nor do some people really care to pay for the poor choices that some people make in life.

But you still pay for your healthcare, it just comes in the form of more taxes.

Part of the rewards of our system and the way to encourage more people to work and prosper is to keep taxes as minimal as possible and let the masses keep as much as possible. To encourage people to continue to work and grow the economy, not sit on their ass*s and collect benefits. My wife's cousin in NC is doing just that and making more money in unemployment than he was working. All he is doing is pissing that money away on booze and chew and a few toys to go with it. Which annoys those of us that do show up to our day jobs and put in that 40 plus.
 
I think Ronnies words disparage the millions of civil servants who work for the federal or state governments (and were fully intended to).

That statement is nonsense when applied to fire departments, the various law enforcement agencies, the US Weather Service etc.
Yes, not every CS works on things that are vital to keeping the economy going and life reasonable for the masses. But it does ring true in come cases as well.
 
Then why did we have a mixed race President?
By your previous arguments you didn't.

He was a Kenyan Muslim imposter.(You may remember you published his so-called birth certificate.)

If you are NOW claiming him as a legitimate American President, then I would say it was because he was just white enough to qualify.
Then perhaps you could also ask why you have not had 1) Any women Presidents 2) Apart from JFK who was Roman Catholic, why every other President was a white male Protestant.
Looks like a bit of a closed shop to me.
 
By your previous arguments you didn't.

He was a Kenyan Muslim imposter.(You may remember you published his so-called birth certificate.)

If you are NOW claiming him as a legitimate American President, then I would say it was because he was just white enough to qualify.
Then perhaps you could also ask why you have not had 1) Any women Presidents 2) Apart from JFK who was Roman Catholic, why every other President was a white male Protestant.
Looks like a bit of a closed shop to me.
No I did not publish his birth certificate.

I don't know of any females that are worth voting for at this point in time and HRC sure as hell was not. I am sure at some point we will have one and another minority as well.
 
The higher taxes in these places also pay for, amongst other things:
A good state education system.
Profesional state fire brigade/service.
Police.
Ambulance.
Refuse collection and disposal.

So it’s quite difficult to isolate what is crudely or broadly a “health tax”.

I still think most ArRSers are trying to do the same or a similar thing as they accuse @Steamboat of doing, namely apply one nation’s cultural normal onto another’s. It doesn’t work. Many can’t understand the second amendment, it’s an alien concept, just as ‘free’ at point of delivery health care is.

(At least one of) The terrorist attack(s) at Westminster resulted in US citizens being injured. Do you think (Steamboat) that they were asked as they were picked up by the ambulance/wheeled into the hospital how they were going to pay for their treatment?

The injured US citizens WILL tell you that they were well treated. The Danish KNOW that they will be highly taxed, but it doesn’t seem to disuade them from trying to earn more.
That doesnt happen here either. I have mentioned before - if you need emergency care, its given. Now dpending on your follow up treatment, financial situation and insurance status.. thats different. I can show you a waiting room right now, full of people and most wont pay a cent for the treatment.
 
By your previous arguments you didn't.

He was a Kenyan Muslim imposter.(You may remember you published his so-called birth certificate.)

If you are NOW claiming him as a legitimate American President, then I would say it was because he was just white enough to qualify.
Then perhaps you could also ask why you have not had 1) Any women Presidents 2) Apart from JFK who was Roman Catholic, why every other President was a white male Protestant.
Looks like a bit of a closed shop to me.
In SB's defence, I think the Obama 'birth certificate' was our newly resident loon, IF.
 

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