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You also need to remember that NIC payments also include State Pension, so you will see a return when you are old and grey. Comparing the 12+2% model with US health insurance is a bit apple and oranges.
 
You also need to remember that NIC payments also include State Pension, so you will see a return when you are old and grey. Comparing the 12+2% model with US health insurance is a bit apple and oranges.
The whole system is different.
My employer pays 6k a year into my retirement accounts.
I have to contribute about $1273.00 a year into requirement. I also put another 90$ a month into a 457 account which is voluntary.
 
Pre Obama yes, post Obamacare no people can not be denied or at least that is my knowledge of how that works.
But with Trump's hard on for taking a wrecking ball to all things Obama, that situation might not last.

Here in the UK, we do not need to worry about rising premiums, not being covered if we are not working or retired, not having to worry that an employer will use health insurance as a leverage over us. Nor do we have to worry about deductibles or insane prescription charges.
We have the NHS. Everyone pays in, everyone is covered, no one has to worry. That is the beauty of the NHS.

The comedian Mark Thomas did a good show a few years ago on the Check Up of NHS at 70. I suspect you would find it very interesting (and funny). I think you can stream it online if you Google it.
 
But with Trump's hard on for taking a wrecking ball to all things Obama, that situation might not last.

Here in the UK, we do not need to worry about rising premiums, not being covered if we are not working or retired, not having to worry that an employer will use health insurance as a leverage over us. Nor do we have to worry about deductibles or insane prescription charges.
We have the NHS. Everyone pays in, everyone is covered, no one has to worry. That is the beauty of the NHS.

The comedian Mark Thomas did a good show a few years ago on the Check Up of NHS at 70. I suspect you would find it very interesting (and funny). I think you can stream it online if you Google it.
But if you are on benefits who pays into the system then? Does everybody pay regardless of employment status?

Last week we paid $25.00 for Tamiflu and Amoxicillin for the kid when she was diagnosed with the Flu and Strep throat. She was seen within an hour of calling the Children's clinic and we had to wait an hour to pick up the medicine once the prescription was issued to the pharmacy. The perks of insurance are also in the lack of waiting.
 
But if you are on benefits who pays into the system then? Does everybody pay regardless of employment status?

Last week we paid $25.00 for Tamiflu and Amoxicillin for the kid when she was diagnosed with the Flu and Strep throat. She was seen within an hour of calling the Children's clinic and we had to wait an hour to pick up the medicine once the prescription was issued to the pharmacy. The perks of insurance are also in the lack of waiting.
If you are on benefits (paid for as part of your NIC) you are still overed by the NHS. If I remember correctly part of the benefits budget goes to covering the NIC of those on benefits. Those on benefits will also pay for the NHS via other taxes.

The NHS does get bad press for waiting times but the system is based on triage. Those that need treatment get seen first.

Personally I have never had any problems getting my kids seen by a doctor or nurse. We have had an average number of trips to the A&E at the sick kids hospital and one ambulance trip followed by a week in hospital with a serious chest infection. Normal GP visits are easy to arrange.
While I have private healthcare through work, we have never had to use it.
 
If you are on benefits (paid for as part of your NIC) you are still overed by the NHS. If I remember correctly part of the benefits budget goes to covering the NIC of those on benefits. Those on benefits will also pay for the NHS via other taxes.

The NHS does get bad press for waiting times but the system is based on triage. Those that need treatment get seen first.

Personally I have never had any problems getting my kids seen by a doctor or nurse. We have had an average number of trips to the A&E at the sick kids hospital and one ambulance trip followed by a week in hospital with a serious chest infection. Normal GP visits are easy to arrange.
While I have private healthcare through work, we have never had to use it.
That is a question though. Does the UK have medical clinics that one can go to for non emergency care? We have them all over the place which cuts down on waiting times at the ER.
 
That is a question though. Does the UK have medical clinics that one can go to for non emergency care? We have them all over the place which cuts down on waiting times at the ER.
Our clinics are called GP surgeries (some are owned and run by the NHS, others are private and contract to the NHS, a few are private clinic).
GP = General Practice.
 
We also have walk-in centres where you can go for non-emergency treatment. These are usually nurse practitioner run but they normally have a doctor there.

The NHS has multiple layers of cover.

The first port of call is the 111 telephone service which you can dial for general help.

Then walk-in clinics for minor stuff (changing dressings, minor wounds etc).

Then GP surgeries for more serious medical issues (think Marcus Welby MD or family doctor). GPs refer patients to specialists.

Plus Accident & Emergency for trauma, sawing your arm off, heart attacks, car accidents etc. (Unfortunately much abused by morons who present with conditions that should have been treated by the above - “why are you treating that heart attack/limb amputation ahead of my hangover headache”).

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Re your daughters flu. Been a long time since I took my daughters to the GP. Usually seen within a short time. Any medication dispensed within 5 minutes by the attached pharmacy. All free. (Accuracy edit: free for kids, over sixties, long term sick and a few other exemptions. Otherwise £9 per prescription with cheaper prepayment options for repeat prescriptions.)
 
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Looks like POTUS has got his enforcers officials dressing as 1920s gangsters. Indicative of his diplomatic style?

A delegation led by Donald Trump's acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney (above right)  is due to meet key No 10 figures amid a transatlantic row over the the Chinese tech giant.

A delegation led by Donald Trump's acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney (above right) is due to meet key No 10 figures amid a transatlantic row over the the Chinese tech giant.

 
Looks like POTUS has got his enforcers officials dressing as 1920s gangsters. Indicative of his diplomatic style?

A delegation led by Donald Trump's acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney (above right)  is due to meet key No 10 figures amid a transatlantic row over the the Chinese tech giant.'s acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney (above right)  is due to meet key No 10 figures amid a transatlantic row over the the Chinese tech giant.

A delegation led by Donald Trump's acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney (above right) is due to meet key No 10 figures amid a transatlantic row over the the Chinese tech giant.

It will be an interesting day...
 
Looks like POTUS has got his enforcers officials dressing as 1920s gangsters. Indicative of his diplomatic style?

A delegation led by Donald Trump's acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney (above right)  is due to meet key No 10 figures amid a transatlantic row over the the Chinese tech giant.'s acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney (above right)  is due to meet key No 10 figures amid a transatlantic row over the the Chinese tech giant.

A delegation led by Donald Trump's acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney (above right) is due to meet key No 10 figures amid a transatlantic row over the the Chinese tech giant.

So wearing a hat is gangster?

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Looks like POTUS has got his enforcers officials dressing as 1920s gangsters. Indicative of his diplomatic style?

A delegation led by Donald Trump's acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney (above right)  is due to meet key No 10 figures amid a transatlantic row over the the Chinese tech giant.'s acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney (above right)  is due to meet key No 10 figures amid a transatlantic row over the the Chinese tech giant.

A delegation led by Donald Trump's acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney (above right) is due to meet key No 10 figures amid a transatlantic row over the the Chinese tech giant.

The question for you Skipped is do you think Boris will buckle down, or have a change of heart?
 
So wearing a hat is gangster?

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No, but the overall look in the Mulvaney picture immediately reminded me of Dragnet. The picture you've posted immediately reminded me of a fashion atrocity (reminds me vaguely of something out of Animal House).
 
The question for you Skipped is do you think Boris will buckle down, or have a change of heart?
IMO, it will depend on who wields the bigger trade stick for the future 'Global Britain'.
 

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