The Trump Presidency...

If I am following the clip correctly "get her out tomorrow" actually transpires to her being replaced a years later?
Not exactly lighting fast response times from the WH.
doesn’t it completely undermine the claim that he sacked her over the burisma issue, as this was months before burisma or the aid package was ever mentioned
 
C'mon then, whos going to post the news first...
Another Trump law over, delayed by activist judges and allowed to progress by SCOTUS.


With this great Neil Gorsuch rebuke.

 
Many of the claims in that attachment are clearly false and hyperbole put out by the White House. I don't have a problem with that because every politician does it.

To note a few: It wasn't the biggest tax reform in history.

It wasn't the biggest military increase in history, the military hasn't been completely rebuilt or even seen these magnificent new weapons yet.

The trade deals are not the most historic deals the world has ever seen, the tariffs are being paid by you the citizens of America.

Repeal and replace hasn't been accomplished and isn't even being worked on by the Senate.

The wall wasn't and never will be paid for by Mexico.

The tax cuts he promised for the middle and lower class in 2018 never materialized.

The historic and greatest peace plan in the history of the world that was going to be announced two years ago is just about to be unfolded this week without a single Palestinian in attendance and has already been dismissed by the Arab League has unworkable,

North Korea is closer to having a nuclear arsenal than ever before despite the greatest deal makers promise.

and finally, the count of lies and mis-spoken untruths has surpassed the SIXTEEN THOUSAND mark.

Most normal people see through the hyperbole and recognize bullshit when they see it and dismiss it as such but his base see him as some kind of almighty genius Any clown can walk into a surging economy and claim credit for the continuing growth and it was very easy to install a policy of "Everything Obama did undo it."
Not from the White House...


But only what you determine is RW Bullshit, no? As you see but can't recognize any of the 3 years of LW bullshit that you spout as truth.

Hard to get anything done in cooperation with the House of Representatives when the current majority party have done practically nothing except campaign for each other in states they aren't from and push impeachment, using any random insinuation they could invent, since before Trump even took office.

Surging Economy?
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"Every single Obama year but 2015 was worse than any year from 1960 to his inauguration. This isn't bad luck. If nothing changed in the economy, the likelihood of having a period as bad as Obama’s just by chance was 1 out of 1000.

The numbers for GDP and NPDI are interesting but still just lifeless statistics. The human toll is terrible. This comes in the form of teary-eyed parents telling their children there may not be much of a vacation this year or next and there may not be many gifts under the Christmas tree this year." - Forbes 29 Nov 2016
 
Not from the White House...


But only what you determine is RW Bullshit, no? As you see but can't recognize any of the 3 years of LW bullshit that you spout as truth.

Hard to get anything done in cooperation with the House of Representatives when the current majority party have done practically nothing except campaign for each other in states they aren't from and push impeachment, using any random insinuation they could invent, since before Trump even took office.

Surging Economy?
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"Every single Obama year but 2015 was worse than any year from 1960 to his inauguration. This isn't bad luck. If nothing changed in the economy, the likelihood of having a period as bad as Obama’s just by chance was 1 out of 1000.

The numbers for GDP and NPDI are interesting but still just lifeless statistics. The human toll is terrible. This comes in the form of teary-eyed parents telling their children there may not be much of a vacation this year or next and there may not be many gifts under the Christmas tree this year." - Forbes 29 Nov 2016
You really should use more credible sources.

 

par avion

War Hero
Name one politician running now and then who could do what he has done for the US economy, and do almost every single thing he ran on.
Butt-hurty feelings and faux outrage don' t count.

Exactly.

If Boris achieves the same here, the west has managed to elect two blonde buffoons who outsmarted misled people, turned their countries around and kicked socialisms head in.

This decade belongs to the conservatives of the west and there is still room for love when you finally come round, lose the hate and absorb why this is happening.

You might not accept having a person you dislike running the world you enjoy, but you will never thrive in a world where a person you like runs the world you abhor.

I will gladly join some proper outrage if these chaps absolutely fail on their own merit, not by anyone elses hand and certainly not before.

F*ck socialism and its communist honeymooners
They winge about Fox news but I was in Seoul a couple of years ago and on CNN it was nothing but Trump this, Trump that, whinge whinge, blah, blah. It was unwatchable. I was glad when I found the BBC 24 channel. It seemed reasonable and unbiased.

At the end of the day it will all be decided by the peaple in fly-over country between NY and LA who will decide matters. And that will be on the basis of who is making their lives better and fighting for them.

I have no dog in the fight because unless you have you are an American voter your opinion is irelevant.
 
You really should use more credible sources.

The graph I put up actually makes Obama look better, and ends with him, not containing GDP under Trump.

Note Obama's near 0% 2015 growth... he averaged out around 2% over his 2 terms as shown...

However, the graph I put up shows that Obama's economy was not the great upswing claimed... up from what? ?Nothing. Down from every year since WWII.
 

Azul_R

Clanker
Not from the White House...

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A naive scan would have that seem an impressive list of achievements, but a closer look shows a stinking pile of bovine excrement. Picking at random, because fact checking the whole lot is too much effort, let's look at:
The President signed into law 12-weeks of paid parental leave for federal workers.
Yes, that's true. But the parental leave part of the bill was what the Democrats negotiated in return for recognizing the Space Force that Trump wanted. If it were up to Trump and the Republicans, the parental leave thing wouldn't have happened.

Just about all of the rest is similarly misleading.

The biggest piece of misdirection is the emphasis on the economy, while omitting any mention of the deficit. I remember the years of UK boom and bust, with governments cutting taxes and increasing spending a year or two before an election and then belt tightening afterward as it wasn't sustainable. The US economy is currently in an unsustainable position because the administration spunked huge amounts of money on tax cuts for companies and the one percent, with the fig leaf justification that this would spur investment. Of course it did nothing of the sort, the main effect being huge share buybacks to increase the value of executive stock options, this coupled with a runaway government deficit.

Where are the proud administration boasts of a deficit that almost hit a trillion dollars in 2019 and will almost certainly exceed that in 2020?
 
nothing i posted was false. Ambassadors do serve at potus's pleasure and you do imbibe toilet duck
Of course they do.

The issue is, whose interests do they serve. And for being neglectful of whose interests are they to be dismissed?

The President's or the National Interest?

Incidentally, has he thrown Bolton under the bus yet? Barely know him, he was rubbish anyway, just a liar selling books, or betraying executive privillege or whatever is the current (Presidential impeachment) defence strategy.
 
Not from the White House...


But only what you determine is RW Bullshit, no? As you see but can't recognize any of the 3 years of LW bullshit that you spout as truth.

Hard to get anything done in cooperation with the House of Representatives when the current majority party have done practically nothing except campaign for each other in states they aren't from and push impeachment, using any random insinuation they could invent, since before Trump even took office.

Surging Economy?
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"Every single Obama year but 2015 was worse than any year from 1960 to his inauguration. This isn't bad luck. If nothing changed in the economy, the likelihood of having a period as bad as Obama’s just by chance was 1 out of 1000.

The numbers for GDP and NPDI are interesting but still just lifeless statistics. The human toll is terrible. This comes in the form of teary-eyed parents telling their children there may not be much of a vacation this year or next and there may not be many gifts under the Christmas tree this year." - Forbes 29 Nov 2016
You may think I'm pissed off that America is doing well, I'm not, if America is doing well then so is Canada.
You may think it's clever sticking a dumb on every one of my posts. Boo Hoo.But fill your boots. It makes you look like a Truppit. {But then again I have noticed you doing that in other threads if you disagree with someone else's opinion}.
You may think I'm some kind of radical Liberal, I'm not.
You think that the current LWM is biased against Trump and the RWM was never ever biased against Obama. It wasn't. Case in point. The numbers for GDP and NPDI are interesting but still just lifeless statistics. The human toll is terrible. This comes in the form of teary-eyed parents telling their children there may not be much of a vacation this year or next and there may not be many gifts under the Christmas tree this year." - Forbes 29 Nov 2016 - talk about LWM hysterics?
Btw.. Maybe the Examiner did make their own list - but it was a press release from the WH prior to the Mueller report that I was talking about.
Did the GOP help or hinder the Obama admin, they hindered Obama every chance they could but yet you complain when the shoe is on the other foot.

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I merely point out the current ludicrous state of American Politics and if you don't like it so be it.
 
Of course they do.

The issue is, whose interests do they serve. And for being neglectful of whose interests are they to be dismissed?

The President's or the National Interest?

Incidentally, has he thrown Bolton under the bus yet? Barely know him, he was rubbish anyway, just a liar selling books, or betraying executive privillege or whatever is the current (Presidential impeachment) defence strategy.
Cough..... funny you should ask.

In a Twitter tantrum Trump attacked Bolton Wednesday morning, curiously not by name – presumably after reports said he had waived executive privilege previously by attacking Bolton.

For a guy who couldn’t get approved for the Ambassador to the U.N. years ago, couldn’t get approved for anything since, “begged” me for a non Senate approved job, which I gave him despite many saying “Don’t do it, sir,” takes the job, mistakenly says “Libyan Model” on T.V., and..….many more mistakes of judgement, gets fired because frankly, if I listened to him, we would be in World War Six by now, and goes out and IMMEDIATELY writes a nasty & untrue book. All Classified National Security. Who would do this?

— Donald J. Chump (@realDonaldChump) January 29, 2020

Oh Dear, It did not go well for the dunce, in large part because despite his war-mongering policies, Bolton is seen as tremendously credible by Republicans and Democrats alike.

But more so because, as so many point out, Trump hired him.

Trump has the worst hiring record of any president in history. He frequently hires incompetent people, dishonest people, and too many of them have ended up arrested, charged, convicted, and jailed.
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Maybe chump should think twice before dissing people he fires.
 
A naive scan would have that seem an impressive list of achievements, but a closer look shows a stinking pile of bovine excrement. Picking at random, because fact checking the whole lot is too much effort, let's look at:

Yes, that's true. But the parental leave part of the bill was what the Democrats negotiated in return for recognizing the Space Force that Trump wanted. If it were up to Trump and the Republicans, the parental leave thing wouldn't have happened.

Just about all of the rest is similarly misleading.

The biggest piece of misdirection is the emphasis on the economy, while omitting any mention of the deficit. I remember the years of UK boom and bust, with governments cutting taxes and increasing spending a year or two before an election and then belt tightening afterward as it wasn't sustainable. The US economy is currently in an unsustainable position because the administration spunked huge amounts of money on tax cuts for companies and the one percent, with the fig leaf justification that this would spur investment. Of course it did nothing of the sort, the main effect being huge share buybacks to increase the value of executive stock options, this coupled with a runaway government deficit.

Where are the proud administration boasts of a deficit that almost hit a trillion dollars in 2019 and will almost certainly exceed that in 2020?
I have been told 401k's are doing nicely, that would be the little guy.
Why don't you explain why deficit never goes down, it's the nature of the system, perpetual debt that can never be repaid, not capitalism's fault, The nature of "fiat" central banking.
Why didn't Obama talk about it, Oh i know...









If a boom comes aftyer a spike just like after WW2 and large American manafacturing base,, that is fine.
 
A naive scan...

Where are the proud administration boasts of a deficit that almost hit a trillion dollars in 2019 and will almost certainly exceed that in 2020?
Obama added over 12 Trillion in 8 years. Nice to see it slowed.
 

Azul_R

Clanker
I have been told 401k's are doing nicely, that would be the little guy.
Yes, they're doing nicely. No, that's not the little guy.

Way too many Americans don't have any money in retirement accounts, and the median value of 401ks is surprisingly low, see This is the average 401(k) savings by age With a median amount of $63k in your account in the years immediately ahead of retirement, a booming stock market may be of some help because every little helps, but the vast gains are going to the people at the top.
Why don't you explain why deficit never goes down, it's the nature of the system, perpetual debt that can never be repaid, not capitalism's fault, The nature of "fiat" central banking.
But it does go up and down, as per your later charts, where spikes due to borrowing for wars, or to cope with the effects of recession, typically get paid down in later years. Carrying too big a deficit gets beyond the ability of the government to service the debt (or, before that, gets beyond the ability of the government to convince lenders that it can service the debt) hence situations like Greece.

There's a periodic feature of American politics, the appearance of deficit scolds. If things are good, let's cut taxes and do favors for our biggest campaign contributors. Then, oh noes, the deficit is growing too big, we have to do the responsible thing, take hard decisions, etc etc - and cut government spending on "entitlements" like the Social Security that most American rely on for retirement.


Why didn't Obama talk about it, Oh i know...









If a boom comes aftyer a spike just like after WW2 and large American manafacturing base,, that is fine.
Note how the deficit was paid down after WWI, WWII, the excesses of the Reagan/Bush Sr years (where Clinton deserves most of the credit but I'll give some kudos to GHW Bush for going against the "voodoo economics" of most of his party). Then there's the spending of the Shrub era, finishing with the emergency of the financial collapse that took the early years of the Obama presidency to get under control. By the last few years of Obama, the deficit was down to about half a trillion a year, now it's about double that.
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Which direction is the slope?

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There us a lot of context when you read the site you pulled that single chart from:

US Government Finances: Spending, Deficit, Debt, Revenue since 1792




You don't think with better trade deals, increased manufacturing and lower unemployment the economy will get better over time?
You can't raise revenue when people do not work, people cannot spend on the ecomomy equally, And you can't tax the hilt out of companies when they don't have customers due to not working or do not have any money.

Four more years will tell us what Trump's plan is vs Obamas.
I think, judging by the economy spending for 2020 he might be able to give it some strength.

One thing is for sure, Socialism will not solve it.
Sorting out the fed will.
 
The graph I put up actually makes Obama look better, and ends with him, not containing GDP under Trump.

Note Obama's near 0% 2015 growth... he averaged out around 2% over his 2 terms as shown...

However, the graph I put up shows that Obama's economy was not the great upswing claimed... up from what? ?Nothing. Down from every year since WWII.
Do you actually know how macroeconomics work? You have a war, stuff goes down...after it, there's a huge boom and it slowly flat lines, you have a recession - it plunges - picks up again after it's over and then minor ups and downs again.
 

Helm

MIA
Moderator
Book Reviewer
I notice Grofas has been caught lying again then, clearly nothing compared to his mighty bone spur injuries
"The Pentagon has said the number of troops suffering from traumatic brain injuries (TBI) after an Iranian attack on a US base in Iraq on 8 January has risen to 50.

The new total is 16 more than previously announced.

President Donald Trump initially said no Americans were injured and cited this in his decision not to retaliate against Iran."
I'm sure the usuals can come up with yet more excuses.
 

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