The Trump Presidency...

Maybe

But he's not wrong, is he :)
Surely it is a good thing that a sitting president is not found to a criminal standard to have colluded with a foreign power?

Even if he did decline an interview and did every thing in his power to thwart answering questions. As Jeremy Bentham put it, - "If all criminals of every class had assembled and framed a system after their own wishes, is not this the first rule which they would have established for their security? Innocence never takes advantage of it: innocence claims the right of speaking, as guilt invokes the privilege of silence".

Do not forget, it is the conclusion of the intelligence community Putin had a clear policy preference for Trump over Clinton.

Life is rarely black and white, it is usually rather subtle. Subtle is not something that comes easily to Morgan (or Trump).

I think Trump in his obvious glee risks doing long term institutional damage.

It is a bit like the election.

It's going to be stolen from us, voter fraud- wait, I won? EVERYTHING IS FINE, USA USA USA.

Mueller is the shadow state, democrat fake news witch hunt - WAIT, I HAVE NOT BEEN CHARGED? USA USA USA!

Don't confuse the criminal standard with a countrer-inteligence threat. Enough of his staff have lied and gone to prison for offences for foreign ties.

Now we can get back to the usual incompetence from him. That's a value judgement from me though. As is this - I regard the rule of law as important in itself. The law is not a weapon of revenge for either side. Speaking of which, I see the Tango'd one (literally in the same breath) as proclaiming his clearedness calls for his enemies to be investigated.

But, due process has taken its course.

I am old enough to remember the Matrix-Churchill (Scott Report) inquiry. Did the immediate speeches on publication day match the report?
 

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Oh dear

Meanwhile in reality land
"While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him," Mr Mueller wrote in his report.
The second part of the letter addresses the issue of obstruction of justice. Mr Barr's summary says the special counsel report "ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment".

"The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other - as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction," the letter reads

Still, what would he know compared to Honest Don?
 
Oh dear

Meanwhile in reality land
"While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him," Mr Mueller wrote in his report.
The second part of the letter addresses the issue of obstruction of justice. Mr Barr's summary says the special counsel report "ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment".

"The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other - as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction," the letter reads

Still, what would he know compared to Honest Don?
Yeah, nice cherry picking, but you missed:

“In cataloguing the President's actions, many of which took place in public view, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent, each of which, under the Department's principles of federal prosecution guiding charging decisions, would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to establish an obstruction-of-justice offense.”
 

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Yeah, nice cherry picking, but you missed:

“In cataloguing the President's actions, many of which took place in public view, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent, each of which, under the Department's principles of federal prosecution guiding charging decisions, would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to establish an obstruction-of-justice offense.”
Speaking of cherry picking you do know that's exactly what you did right?
 
@Graculus will be imploding over this.
He will not but needy guy with an overactive imagination will certainly not be missing an opportunity to make stuff up. Once again, your opinion and having a clue live in different galaxies.
 
Note that Mueller's was the third enquiry that has exonerated the 'God Emperor'of collusion with Russia.

The first two were the House and Senate enquiries.

The Senate Intelligence Committee has not yet reported - but has already conceded that there was no evidence. (They were hoping Mueller had the goods)

And for those with short memories, in April last year the House Intelligence Committee found that there was no evidence Trump colluded with Russia. (All the transcripts from the house enquiry were handed over to Mueller)

Collusion with Russia as a conspiracy theory is now officially deader than disco. Those who have been thrapping themselves senseless peddling this nonsense here and elsewhere need to phone the specially set up Russian masturbation hotline.

It is interesting to see hands here reaching out for the weak stem of obstruction. This of course hinges on his sacking of Comey. But as the WSJ pointed out today -

"Without an underlying crime, what was Mr Trump trying to cover up?

Trump had every right as President to fire Mr Comey for whatever reason he saw fit. The Constitution gives the President the power to hire and fire at will, and it cannot be illegal to perform an act that the Constitution says is legal, no matter the motive."

Remembering that the entire Russia conspiracy story began within the Obama Administration and Comey's FBI with the utterly unreliable Steele Dossier.

You will recall that Michael Cohen was given three years jail after Mueller’s team charged him with telling porkies to the house committee?

Trump's legal team have already attempted to make the case that Comey fibbed to congress in his testimony. They pushed the claim that in May 2017 Comey lied when he said "he never took steps for FBI surrogates to leak stories about Mr. Trump to the news media."

The sort of thing Comey's Deputy Andrew McCabe was actually sacked for.

McCabe was not the only FBI leaker:

Christopher Steele was an FBI surrogate who was let go by the FBI after leaking to the Press

Strzok and Page were given the DCM for leaking to the press.

The criminal investigation of Former FBI general counsel James Baker is still live. For allegations that he leaked to the press.

Now that Mueller is out of the way, Trump will ramp up the attack with the prospect of getting the same sort of jail sentence for Comey that accrued to Cohen.

The MAGA faithful might chant "lock her up" but Comey does seem to be lowest and most easily plucked fruit.

Matt Taibbi, author of 2017's "Insane Clown President: Dispatches from the 2016 Circus" , no particular pal of the Orange Man has probably written the best essay so far on the outcome of two years of Mueller and "Russiagate."

And Gary Varvel for the best cartoon.

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Nice to see the Truppits gloating especially Labrat who has stuck with this thread through thick and thin while others have dropped out only to pop back in yesterday in support of the orange maniac. I suggest we let them have their day in peace and quiet.
 
Nice to see the Truppits gloating especially Labrat who has stuck with this thread through thick and thin while others have dropped out only to pop back in yesterday in support of the orange maniac. I suggest we let them have their day in peace and quiet.

Nope, welcome to reality. This is the 2020 campaign season, there is no rest.
The Democrats can continue to dig for dirt, but impeachment is out. Well if they don’t want to commit party suicide it is off the table for now.

Now both parities get to focus on their message for governing. This does have the potential to fracture the Democrats who don’t get the hint, and put their party at an extreme disadvantage.
 
Has it been a day yet?........enough of THAT bullshit...............

Although Fox Snooze pundits are literally creaming their pants about how the orange faced Messiah has triumphed over the EVIL Democrats, the EVIL FBI, and the EVIL, EVIL, Media, Fox does ask some good questions.

Mueller did not exonerate Trump – Barr acted as judge and jury. Now Congress needs to do its job. By Mary Anne Marsh | Fox News.

Most Americans saw Trump appeal to Russia to find Clinton’s 30,000 missing emails during the campaign, on national TV no less, and then, lo and behold, they watched as WikiLeaks released troves of emails.

Most Americans saw Trump repeatedly deny having any business interest in Russia during the campaign, yet he signed a letter of intent for a Trump Tower Moscow during the primary campaign in 2015.

Most Americans saw Trump fire Comey, who was leading an investigation into him, and admit in a national interview that he did so because of the “Russia thing.” Trump then bragged to Russian officials, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavarov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, in the Oval Office that his Russia problems were over now because he fired Comey...and shared highly classified information with them too.

Most Americans have seen all the meetings between Trump and Putin, official and unofficial, defending Russia but not the United States. In almost every economic and foreign policy matter that involves Russia, Trump takes Putin’s side, as in his desire to end NATO. Now, why would he do that?

The only way to answer these questions, and more, is to make the Mueller report public. All of it. All the evidence. Every document, every interview, every transcript, every tape, everything should be provided.

That shouldn’t be a problem. After all, Donald Trump said he wanted the Mueller report to be made public. At CPAC, Donald Trump, Jr., stated that he wanted all of the Mueller report to be public, without redaction's.

After all, Barr somehow went through the work of 19 lawyers, 40 FBI agents, 2,800 subpoenas, 500 interviews, 500 search warrants, 230 orders for communication records, 50 orders authorizing the use of pen registers, and 13 requests to foreign governments, in only two days – what took Mueller two years to produce – to make his decision to exonerate Trump on Sunday. In that light, surely Barr could make the Mueller report public Monday.

With the Mueller report submitted, we are not in the court of law, for the moment, but the court of public opinion. And that is clearly why Barr decided to play politics Sunday. It was the only way he could try to exonerate Trump without the actual report.

Given the reason for the Mueller investigation, the public deserves to know exactly what Russia did to interfere in our election, what Trump knows about it, what Trump did about it, and how Trump benefited from it.
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So much more on the link.
 
Has it been a day yet?........enough of THAT bullshit...............

Although Fox Snooze pundits are literally creaming their pants about how the orange faced Messiah has triumphed over the EVIL Democrats, the EVIL FBI, and the EVIL, EVIL, Media, Fox does ask some good questions.

Mueller did not exonerate Trump – Barr acted as judge and jury. Now Congress needs to do its job. By Mary Anne Marsh | Fox News.

Most Americans saw Trump appeal to Russia to find Clinton’s 30,000 missing emails during the campaign, on national TV no less, and then, lo and behold, they watched as WikiLeaks released troves of emails.

Most Americans saw Trump repeatedly deny having any business interest in Russia during the campaign, yet he signed a letter of intent for a Trump Tower Moscow during the primary campaign in 2015.

Most Americans saw Trump fire Comey, who was leading an investigation into him, and admit in a national interview that he did so because of the “Russia thing.” Trump then bragged to Russian officials, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavarov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, in the Oval Office that his Russia problems were over now because he fired Comey...and shared highly classified information with them too.

Most Americans have seen all the meetings between Trump and Putin, official and unofficial, defending Russia but not the United States. In almost every economic and foreign policy matter that involves Russia, Trump takes Putin’s side, as in his desire to end NATO. Now, why would he do that?

The only way to answer these questions, and more, is to make the Mueller report public. All of it. All the evidence. Every document, every interview, every transcript, every tape, everything should be provided.

That shouldn’t be a problem. After all, Donald Trump said he wanted the Mueller report to be made public. At CPAC, Donald Trump, Jr., stated that he wanted all of the Mueller report to be public, without redaction's.

After all, Barr somehow went through the work of 19 lawyers, 40 FBI agents, 2,800 subpoenas, 500 interviews, 500 search warrants, 230 orders for communication records, 50 orders authorizing the use of pen registers, and 13 requests to foreign governments, in only two days – what took Mueller two years to produce – to make his decision to exonerate Trump on Sunday. In that light, surely Barr could make the Mueller report public Monday.

With the Mueller report submitted, we are not in the court of law, for the moment, but the court of public opinion. And that is clearly why Barr decided to play politics Sunday. It was the only way he could try to exonerate Trump without the actual report.

Given the reason for the Mueller investigation, the public deserves to know exactly what Russia did to interfere in our election, what Trump knows about it, what Trump did about it, and how Trump benefited from it.
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So much more on the link.
But the Democrats are in between a rock and a hard place on this one. If they continue they will be slammed and forfit 2020. If they can’t show they can govern, they won’t be given a chance. Muller has ended this option and closed this door, weather you agree or not. Both parties should be having some serious closed door meetings. 19.5 months seems like a long time, but it really is not.
 
Nope, welcome to reality. This is the 2020 campaign season, there is no rest.
The Democrats can continue to dig for dirt, but impeachment is out. Well if they don’t want to commit party suicide it is off the table for now.

Now both parities get to focus on their message for governing. This does have the potential to fracture the Democrats who don’t get the hint, and put their party at an extreme disadvantage.
I do agree with you but it's Fantasy land Jonesy. If anything, this will further divide Americans. The Republicans will feel emboldened now to further their attacks on the Dems and the Dems will continue to rely on all of the other lawsuits into the Trump organization. Committing party suicide doesn't seem to stop either party from doing the wrong thing.
 
Fantasy land I think Jonesy. If anything, this will further divide Americans. The Republicans will feel emboldened now to further their attacks on the Dems and the Dems will continue to rely on all of the other lawsuits into the Trump organization. Committing party suicide doesn't seem to stop either party from doing the wrong thing.
Truth in that. We shall see what happens in the party struggles. I think the cooler quieter heads will understand this. The Republicans will need to keep the economy from crashing, and the Dems will need to come up with workable solutions.

Maybe the wall debacle, can be sorted. As it stands right now the money for that is coming out of the militaries construction budget. I am hoping so, because my mate in 29 P could use a reliable source of power to avoid the blackouts they have to endure.

I will celebrate the demise of the Clinton family from public spotlight. This should turn them into political cyanide.
 

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