The Trump Presidency...

Am I the only who getting tired of the UK media using 1984 as a manual and having thier “daily hate” of a democraticly elected world leader?

YM
Yes. So **** off.

Apart from the few genuine Septics and the odd Septic gun troll.

Are you the only what?

It’s “their” and “democratically” by the way. You missed out “is” after “only” in your first sentence.

Are you yet another tedious Soviet troll or a Septic gun troll with a poor grasp of the English language?

As he lost the popular vote and was elected by a couple of hundred people can you elaborate on “democratically elected world leader” (spelled correctly).

And, with respect to “world leader”, how much has he debased the status of POTUS that virtually everyone else in the world thinks he’s a complete and utter ****. Or put politely are revising their contingency and disaster planning.

And why has EVERY person who has ever served under him described him as a “******* idiot, nightmare, moron, fool, halfwit, etc etc etc”.
 
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Am I the only who getting tired of the UK media using 1984 as a manual and having thier “daily hate” of a democraticly elected world leader?

YM
You obviously didn't get the drift of the thread before posting did ya ?
 
Published on
Wednesday, October 17, 2018
by
Common Dreams
Doubt It Can Happen Here? Tell It to Berlin
A note to those who think it unfair to compare the Trump White House and the GOP to what happened in Germany 85 years ago.
by
Michael Winship


On January 30, 1933, Hitler became Germany’s chancellor, taking over with the support of conservatives who believed they could keep him under control. His soon-to-be propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels organized a celebratory torchlight march that night of some 50,000 – although in an ironic foreshadowing of the Trump inauguration, Goebbels claimed it was a million.

To those who still claim it odious or unjust to compare our current White House and the Republican Party to what happened in Germany 85 years ago, I would urge them to come see “Berlin 1933.” Here are the all-too-familiar seeds of a nascent totalitarian regime: the denigration and condemnation of rival political parties, the disintegration of the courts, attacks on organized labor while claiming massive job creation, the dismissal of public servants unwilling to swear undying allegiance to the leader, verbal and written slurs and smears flung against the press and opponents, inciting and legitimizing violence against anyone who dares to disagree.

By the following year, Hitler’s cult of personality, “had reached new levels of idolatry and made millions of new converts,” biographer Ian Kershaw wrote. “Disdain and detestation for a parliamentary system generally perceived to have failed miserably had resulted in willingness to entrust monopoly control over the state to a leader claiming a unique sense of mission and invested by his mass following with heroic, almost messianic, qualities. Conventional forms of government were, as a consequence, increasingly exposed to the arbitrary inroads of personalized power. It was a recipe for disaster.”

This, too, sounds familiar. Yes, many, like Harvard legal scholar Cass R. Sunstein maintain that our system of checks and balances and the Constitution will keep us from sliding into the abyss that was Nazi Germany. National conditions are not the same—we have not hit the economic depths of the Wiemar Republic—nor have actual physical attacks on those perceived as adversaries been as widespread or violent. Yet.

Even Sunstein admits, as he noted earlier this year in The New York Review of Books, “It would be foolish to ignore the risks that Trump and his administration pose to established norms and institutions, which help preserve both order and liberty. Those risks will grow if opposition to violations of long-standing norms is limited to Democrats, and if Republicans laugh, applaud, agree with, or make excuses for Trump—if they howl with the wolf.”

Do you see our Republican Congress doing anything to counter Trump’s authoritarian tendencies? “Whatever secret reservations McConnell and other traditional Republican leaders have about Trump’s character, governing style, and possible criminality,” historian Christopher Browning writes, “they openly rejoice in the payoff they have received from their alliance with him and his base.”

Merely look to Trump’s eagerness to cover up Saudi Arabia’s torture and murder of a Washington Post journalist as the president seeks to protect an arms deal that largely exists in his imagination. Or, as evinced in his 60 Minutesinterview with Lesley Stahl, his continued warm embrace of the Saudis and the world’s other dictators.

Sorry, but when your moral universe is limited to a belief that the ends always justify the means it’s a short trip to oppression and tyranny. To those who think it can’t happen here? Let them come to Berlin. The city has seen it all before.
 
Trump's Name Is Removed From Another New York Building
Manhattan condo residents cited antipathy, security risks and reduced property values from living in a building bearing the president's name.
By Nina Golgowski, HuffPost US

Another Trump-branded building will pry President Donald Trump’s name off its facade following a vote by condo residents, who cited antipathy, security risks and reduced property values.
A 46-story tower at 200 Riverside Blvd. on Manhattan’s Upper West Side will remove the giant brass “TRUMP PLACE” letters on Thursday, The New York Times reported.

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Trump’s divisive brand of politics has provoked similar moves by other New York City buildings, including what was once the Trump SoHo hotel in Lower Manhattan. Trump’s company agreed to erase the name and surrender management of the hotel amid a sharp business decline since he took office.
Another condo building also took down the name. That building, also called Trump Place, has been renamed 160 Riverside Boulevard Apartments. The Trump name also has been removed from hotels in Panama and Toronto.
 
Trump’s latest tweets about the migrant caravan, explained (and debunked)
The president just accused Democrats and Central Americans of conspiring to invade the US.
By Dara Linddara@vox.com Oct 18, 2018, 11:40am EDT. Orange maniac waffles again.

Donald Trump blamed the Democratic Party on Thursday morning for opening the borders to criminals from Central America and threatened to use the US military to seal the US-Mexico border — the latest threat in an ongoing Twitter temper tantrum Trump has thrown over a caravan of as many as 4,000 Honduran migrants making its way toward the US.
The caravan crossed into Guatemala on Monday. While it hopes to reach the United States, the caravan hasn’t even reached Mexico yet, and it seems likely that Mexican authorities will stop most of its members from ever reaching the US-Mexico border. But it’s already drawn heavy coverage on Fox News’s morning show Fox & Friends, which appears, as usual, to be the way the president learns about the world.


Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump


I am watching the Democrat Party led (because they want Open Borders and existing weak laws) assault on our country by Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, whose leaders are doing little to stop this large flow of people, INCLUDING MANY CRIMINALS, from entering Mexico to U.S.....
....In addition to stopping all payments to these countries, which seem to have almost no control over their population, I must, in the strongest of terms, ask Mexico to stop this onslaught - and if unable to do so I will call up the U.S. Military and CLOSE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER!..

The Debunk.

To be clear:
  • No elected Democrat wants “open borders,” the total absence of any immigration restrictions.
  • The current flow of migrants toward the US from Central America — many of them children or families, and many of them seeking asylum — isn’t the product of Democratic encouragement; it’s a complicated mix of economic and humanitarian migration, which others in the Trump administration have been struggling to disentangle.
  • Current US law offers extra protections to children and families entering the US without papers because Congress decided that was a good idea.
  • Current US law makes it legal for people without papers to seek asylum — either by presenting themselves at an official US border crossing, or even after crossing illegally and being apprehended by Border Patrol — because it’s required to under international law.
Again, to be clear:
  • Countries can’t forcibly stop people from emigrating under international law.
  • “Closing the border” would stop all legal immigration (and flows of goods) into the US; it would be economically ruinous and is not going to happen.
  • The use of the US military on US soil is severely restricted under the Posse Comitatus Act.
  • In general, apprehensions of people crossing illegally to the US are still in line with the past several years, and much lower than pre-recession levels. There has been a spike in the number of families crossing illegally into the US, but it’s been offset by an ongoing decline in the number of single adults.
  • A large number of families coming into the US are seeking asylum.
  • Mexico was already preparing to stop the caravan before Trump started yelling at them.
The US isn’t being invaded by criminals. But Trump’s panic has already led to a border crackdown that has separated (temporarily or permanently) thousands of families, opened the door to long-term detention of thousands more, and could be denying people the right to seek protection from mortal danger — a right that is supposed to be guaranteed under US law.
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As usual the Truppits will swallow another load from their Presidunce.
 
What worries me is that there is a horrible combination of factors arising.
The "caravan" is intent on getting to USA. I understand issues may arise getting through Mexico.

But if the caravan does arrive at US borders, what are they going to do about it? Trump is psychologically incapable of losing face, so something drastic and unpredictable may happen. I am very worried that he may use military intervention without specific rules of engagement (if a term could be used in such a context) and people die. If this occurs the same time as US people go to the polls, it may become catastrophic.
 
Published on
Wednesday, October 17, 2018
by
Common Dreams
Doubt It Can Happen Here? Tell It to Berlin
A note to those who think it unfair to compare the Trump White House and the GOP to what happened in Germany 85 years ago.
by
Michael Winship


On January 30, 1933, Hitler became Germany’s chancellor, taking over with the support of conservatives who believed they could keep him under control. His soon-to-be propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels organized a celebratory torchlight march that night of some 50,000 – although in an ironic foreshadowing of the Trump inauguration, Goebbels claimed it was a million.

To those who still claim it odious or unjust to compare our current White House and the Republican Party to what happened in Germany 85 years ago, I would urge them to come see “Berlin 1933.” Here are the all-too-familiar seeds of a nascent totalitarian regime: the denigration and condemnation of rival political parties, the disintegration of the courts, attacks on organized labor while claiming massive job creation, the dismissal of public servants unwilling to swear undying allegiance to the leader, verbal and written slurs and smears flung against the press and opponents, inciting and legitimizing violence against anyone who dares to disagree.

By the following year, Hitler’s cult of personality, “had reached new levels of idolatry and made millions of new converts,” biographer Ian Kershaw wrote. “Disdain and detestation for a parliamentary system generally perceived to have failed miserably had resulted in willingness to entrust monopoly control over the state to a leader claiming a unique sense of mission and invested by his mass following with heroic, almost messianic, qualities. Conventional forms of government were, as a consequence, increasingly exposed to the arbitrary inroads of personalized power. It was a recipe for disaster.”

This, too, sounds familiar. Yes, many, like Harvard legal scholar Cass R. Sunstein maintain that our system of checks and balances and the Constitution will keep us from sliding into the abyss that was Nazi Germany. National conditions are not the same—we have not hit the economic depths of the Wiemar Republic—nor have actual physical attacks on those perceived as adversaries been as widespread or violent. Yet.

Even Sunstein admits, as he noted earlier this year in The New York Review of Books, “It would be foolish to ignore the risks that Trump and his administration pose to established norms and institutions, which help preserve both order and liberty. Those risks will grow if opposition to violations of long-standing norms is limited to Democrats, and if Republicans laugh, applaud, agree with, or make excuses for Trump—if they howl with the wolf.”

Do you see our Republican Congress doing anything to counter Trump’s authoritarian tendencies? “Whatever secret reservations McConnell and other traditional Republican leaders have about Trump’s character, governing style, and possible criminality,” historian Christopher Browning writes, “they openly rejoice in the payoff they have received from their alliance with him and his base.”

Merely look to Trump’s eagerness to cover up Saudi Arabia’s torture and murder of a Washington Post journalist as the president seeks to protect an arms deal that largely exists in his imagination. Or, as evinced in his 60 Minutesinterview with Lesley Stahl, his continued warm embrace of the Saudis and the world’s other dictators.

Sorry, but when your moral universe is limited to a belief that the ends always justify the means it’s a short trip to oppression and tyranny. To those who think it can’t happen here? Let them come to Berlin. The city has seen it all before.
The author, like many mongs forgets the US military take an oath to the Constitution, NOT to the President. there is no Fuhrer oath in the USA. US officers are not bound by oath to trump unto death, the US mil is not going to allow a coup or trump naming himself president for life

As for violence so far it is mostly LW against RW

Congressmen shot by a Dem
Thousands of death threats and threats and acts of violence by the US LW

Antifa is the closest we have to the S.A. and its LW again

the same horsehit claims of Idolatry could and were leveled at Obama supporters during his time
 
The author, like many mongs forgets the US military take an oath to the Constitution, NOT to the President. there is no Fuhrer oath in the USA. US officers are not bound by oath to trump unto death, the US mil is not going to allow a coup or trump naming himself president for life

As for violence so far it is mostly LW against RW

Congressmen shot by a Dem
Thousands of death threats and threats and acts of violence by the US LW

Antifa is the closest we have to the S.A. and its LW again

the same horsehit claims of Idolatry could and were leveled at Obama supporters during his time
Wasn't Congresswoman Giffords shot by a drug addled wingnut who had RW tendencies?

I think it simply goes to show that in the States being a politician of either stamp attracts loonies, and loonies with access to firearms.
 
The author, like many mongs forgets the US military take an oath to the Constitution, NOT to the President. there is no Fuhrer oath in the USA. US officers are not bound by oath to trump unto death, the US mil is not going to allow a coup or trump naming himself president for life

As for violence so far it is mostly LW against RW

Congressmen shot by a Dem
Thousands of death threats and threats and acts of violence by the US LW

Antifa is the closest we have to the S.A. and its LW again

the same horsehit claims of Idolatry could and were leveled at Obama supporters during his time
Is your experience of this SA like Antifa gained from watching FOX news by chance, meanwhile in the real world

Videos Allegedly Show Proud Boys Beating Protesters After Gavin McInnes Event At Manhattan GOP Club

Funny but in spite of several police officers standing by watching the beating it wasn't until the clip emerged and Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes tweeted that NYPD had his back that they suddenly noticed that an offence was being committed.
 
Wasn't Congresswoman Giffords shot by a drug addled wingnut who had RW tendencies?

I think it simply goes to show that in the States being a politician of either stamp attracts loonies, and loonies with access to firearms.
...to which the standard answer is, "If there were more people going around armed to the teeth, there'd be less gun crime." Apparently. Sits back to await the site's US gun nuts telling me I'm wrong and then start waffling on about knife crime over here, to prove that the thousands of gun-related deaths in the US every year are "perfectly normal".
 
Is your experience of this SA like Antifa gained from watching FOX news by chance, meanwhile in the real world
Not at all , only a mong thinks Antifa only is covered by Fox News

Is WaPo now Fox to you as well ?
- The Washington Post

How about newsweek?
That video of Antifa beating a man carrying an American flag? He's a Bernie voter

Eric Clanton takes 3-year probation deal in Berkeley rally bike lock assault case

Antifa has a well deserved reputation for violence not just against the right but anyone they perceive to be the right. In one case I gave you they attacked a Bernie Sanders supports for the fascist crime of having an American flag


Videos Allegedly Show Proud Boys Beating Protesters After Gavin McInnes Event At Manhattan GOP Club
Ahh you mean the event Antifa crashed to confront violently

Funny but in spite of several police officers standing by watching the beating it wasn't until the clip emerged and Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes tweeted that NYPD had his back that they suddenly noticed that an offence was being committed.
And Antifa members arrested as well Sherlock-

12 Proud Boys, Antifa suspects wanted in clash after GOP speaker


Proud boys are assholes, as is Antifa, but IF you can read you will have noted it was Antifa which started the violence and even followed the police to re-instigate it
 
Not at all , only a mong thinks Antifa only is covered by Fox News

Is WaPo now Fox to you as well ?
- The Washington Post

How about newsweek?
That video of Antifa beating a man carrying an American flag? He's a Bernie voter

Eric Clanton takes 3-year probation deal in Berkeley rally bike lock assault case

Antifa has a well deserved reputation for violence not just against the right but anyone they perceive to be the right. In one case I gave you they attacked a Bernie Sanders supports for the fascist crime of having an American flag


Ahh you mean the event Antifa crashed to confront violently

And Antifa members arrested as well Sherlock-

12 Proud Boys, Antifa suspects wanted in clash after GOP speaker


Proud boys are assholes, as is Antifa, but IF you can read you will have noted it was Antifa which started the violence and even followed the police to re-instigate it
You don't half get triggered easy considering you didn't vote Trump, allegedly
 
You don't half get triggered easy considering you didn't vote Trump, allegedly
By god you are king of the Obtuse
so pointing out Antifa IS violent is only the mark of a trump voter? what toilet duck do you mainline? Even Bugsy wasnt this much a mong
 
Wasn't Congresswoman Giffords shot by a drug addled wingnut who had RW tendencies?
Well, look. Those were clearly one-offs, just like each and every other incident that suggests the violence isn't solely L on R.
 
Clearly disturbed about the recent devastating Hurricanes the Presidunce speaks up :

'He wears a hairpiece.' The one thing that has been really great this whole endeavor, that 'He wears a hairpiece.' They don't say that any more. They've seen me not in perfect conditions. I haven't heard that in over a year. When the wind goes crazy like the other day, Hurricane Michael and the devastations of Florida and Georgia and Alabama got hit hard? Then a couple weeks before Michael, couple weeks before, I went to North Carolina and South Carolina. Look at what happened in a little piece of Virginia. Walk around in those conditions, you can't fake it. Nobody ever says that any more. Maybe one of the best things that has happened to me in a long time.
 

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