The Trolls from Olgino - Tracking Changes

[HectortheInspector]

It is the BBC itself, the slant it presents on certain subjects, the weight it gives to certain topics that I often object to.
That is the BBC eating itself - due to its own internal governance.
I understand how and why this would please an external totalitarian State, and would encourage this belief in any way it could. I know RT narrative is pro Russia slanted.

I only criticize what the BBC itself puts out - and has become.

The trolls don't tell the truth.
About anything. Or consistently, because their job is to put out a vast cloud of contradictory chaff, so that the uncritical can always find a contrary narrative to the facts. Then, having found it, they scream that MSM isn't reporting the "troof".

The Russians aren't trying to sell the world on the merits of the Russian way of life. There aren't any. It's a shit hole.

There are no ideals, just cold disinterest.
No, all Russia wants is to dissolve trust and certainty into a cynical and dishonest grey swamp where everyone expects government to lie to them, and then they'll just shrug and let the bastards get on with it.
It's the Russian culture writ large.

 

[medwaymud]

The trolls don't tell the truth.
About anything. Or consistently, because their job is to put out a vast cloud of contradictory chaff, so that the uncritical can always find a contrary narrative to the facts. Then, having found it, they scream that MSM isn't reporting the "troof".

The Russians aren't trying to sell the world on the merits of the Russian way of life. There aren't any. It's a shit hole.

There are no ideals, just cold disinterest.
No, all Russia wants is to dissolve trust and certainty into a cynical and dishonest grey swamp where everyone expects government to lie to them, and then they'll just shrug and let the bastards get on with it.
It's the Russian culture writ large.

I think you misinterpreted what I said.
Unless you are saying there are trolls who are BBC employees ?

I know what the BBC was - I don't like what it has become.

 

[HectortheInspector]

I think you misinterpreted what I said.
Unless you are saying there are trolls who are BBC employees ?

I know what the BBC was - I don't like what it has become.

The BBC WAS explicitly a State mouthpiece.
It only put out things the State approved of.
Now, it puts out other stuff.
You aren't obliged to watch it.
So, what you actually mean is that you don't want to risk setting foot outside your echo chamber and seeing something that might frighten the horses?

 

[medwaymud]

You aren't obliged to watch it.
So, what you actually mean is that you don't want to risk setting foot outside your echo chamber and seeing something that might frighten the horses?

Not at all !
I still turn R4 on every morning - one second before I press Go on the kettle.
It usually stays on from 3 seconds to 5 minutes before I sigh and turn it off again.

 

[GrumpyWasTooCheerful]

Not at all !
I still turn R4 on every morning - one second before I press Go on the kettle.
It usually stays on from 3 seconds to 5 minutes before I sigh and turn it off again.

I'd buy a new kettle.

 

[FORMER_FYRDMAN]

Paradoxically Russian trolls actively undermine national institutions such as the BBC by suggesting that it is working against 'will of the people' to introduce some sort of Socialist totalitarian state. Many people are taken in by this mantra, ignoring that it is undermining one of Britain's bastions of Soft Power and free speech; there are quite a few posters on this site who absolutely play into this Russian narrative that BBC news is lies and "this won't be reported on the BBC" when, inevitably, it is.

The same is being done to our best Universities with trivial, wokish stories being magnified through trolling (generally something about the LGBT inclusion Officer at Slagstone University Students' Union 'banning poppies' morphing into 'Universities ban poppies'). A bit of critical analysis of the news beyond the headlines would grip this nonsense.

We just need to look at the guff from antivaxxers which gains prominence on social media by trolls who know how to play the algorithms through shit-posting.

Equally you could be accused of doing the same thing from the other direction.

As far as the BBC's concerned, it's bias is undeniable, both in terms of story selection and in terms of how a story is put together and the terms used - for example, those protecting Churchill's statue a while back were described as XRW o the basis of no evidence whatsoever. It has a very strong ultra-liberal metropolitan agenda and that's been admitted by the likes of Andrew Marr. Further, it is capable of outright duplicity as Orla Guerin demonstrated with her 'report' on Jenin which should have seen everyone involved summarily sacked.

Jeningrad: What the British Media Said | Honest Reporting

A comprehensive analysis of the massacre that wasn't.

honestreporting.com

As far as the universities are concerned, it's disingenuous to blame it all on the standard lunatic activities of the Student's Union. The teaching staff at Oxford have shown themselves equally capable of aggressive, intolerant and hysterically ignorant myopia.

Ethics and empire: an open letter from Oxford scholars

Oxford University accused of backing apologists of British colonialism

Letter signed by more than 170 international academics opposes Ethics and Empire project investigating rights and wrongs of imperialism

www.theguardian.com

Edited to add:

And it seems that some of our higher education establishments aren't doing themselves any favours on the human rights front either:

China's 'useful idiots' keep their honours | The Spectator

Ministers like to talk a good game on China. But, as the Commons witnessed just two weeks ago, all too often there's a very different reality when it comes to calling out Beijing's abuses. After the Foreign Office declined to describe China's atrocities in Xinjiang as 'genocide,' now it's time...

www.spectator.co.uk

 

[Filthy_contract]

The Russians aren't trying to sell the world on the merits of the Russian way of life. There aren't any. It's a shit hole.

Here's a good test:

Who would willingly migrate to Russia?

Anybody? Anybody? Bueller, Bueller?

 

[smartascarrots]

Here's a good test:

Who would willingly migrate to Russia?

Anybody? Anybody? Bueller, Bueller?

It would seem so.

 

[Filthy_contract]

It would seem so.

B%gger, all, in other words.

 

[smartascarrots]

B%gger, all, in other words.

Net positive migration. I'd imagine from the Central Asian and Caucasian states, but that's purely a feeling on my part based on anecdotes from Russia itself.

 

[Condottiere]

It's the Russian culture writ large.

It's actually the corruption of Russian culture by (what I call) the "Muscovite Mindset". Which I've explained on various threads on Arrse.

 

[Serpico]

It's actually the corruption of Russian culture by (what I call) the "Muscovite Mindset". Which I've explained on various threads on Arrse.

You got a link to said theory sir? Sounds interesting

 

[Effendi]

Paradoxically Russian trolls actively undermine national institutions such as the BBC by suggesting that it is working against 'will of the people' to introduce some sort of Socialist totalitarian state. Many people are taken in by this mantra, ignoring that it is undermining one of Britain's bastions of Soft Power and free speech; there are quite a few posters on this site who absolutely play into this Russian narrative that BBC news is lies and "this won't be reported on the BBC" when, inevitably, it is.

The same is being done to our best Universities with trivial, wokish stories being magnified through trolling (generally something about the LGBT inclusion Officer at Slagstone University Students' Union 'banning poppies' morphing into 'Universities ban poppies'). A bit of critical analysis of the news beyond the headlines would grip this nonsense.

We just need to look at the guff from antivaxxers which gains prominence on social media by trolls who know how to play the algorithms through shit-posting.

I don't know how the BBC is working to deliver news in the UK, but over here in Americaland they are spot on. We receive 24 hour reporting from them based out of the BBC world news. That is mainly the UK studio, a couple of hours from Asia in Their Singapore studio, and similar from the Washington DC studios.

The sensible Americans I meet all watch the BBC for reliable, unbiased, up to date news reporting. American news channels follow one of two models: Micro, or macro. Micro looks at what is happening in their city, and local area. Macro tends to be politically biased talking shops presenting their own opinions of political events of the day rather than presenting a report of many useful facts………..I can guarantee with the method of news delivery here that more than half the population have no clue as to what is shaping up in Ukraine at present.

 

[Condottiere]

You got a link to said theory sir? Sounds interesting

Most recently: https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/t...ts-reported-near-ukraine.304396/post-11157708

 

[Serpico]

Most recently: https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/t...ts-reported-near-ukraine.304396/post-11157708

Cheers, that was very interesting and seems spot on. It's very easy to forget the Russian (or rather the Muscovite) has a vastly different mindset to ourselves, although it does help to explain their centuries of utterly mad history.

 

[par avion]

You aren't obliged to watch it.

But are obliged to pay for it via the licence fee.

 

[Teeblerone]

If it annoys both sides, it's probably doing something right.
And if us oldsters don't understand half of it? Or like it?
AGain, probably about right.

 

[KGB_resident]

The trolls don't tell the truth.
About anything. Or consistently, because their job is to put out a vast cloud of contradictory chaff, so that the uncritical can always find a contrary narrative to the facts. Then, having found it, they scream that MSM isn't reporting the "troof".

The Russians aren't trying to sell the world on the merits of the Russian way of life. There aren't any. It's a shit hole.

Instead some useful British idiots show Russia 'as is' and according to them it is not 'a shit hole' at all

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[Filthy_contract]

I don't know how the BBC is working to deliver news in the UK, but over here in Americaland they are spot on. We receive 24 hour reporting from them based out of the BBC world news. That is mainly the UK studio, a couple of hours from Asia in Their Singapore studio, and similar from the Washington DC studios.

The sensible Americans I meet all watch the BBC for reliable, unbiased, up to date news reporting. American news channels follow one of two models: Micro, or macro. Micro looks at what is happening in their city, and local area. Macro tends to be politically biased talking shops presenting their own opinions of political events of the day rather than presenting a report of many useful facts………..I can guarantee with the method of news delivery here that more than half the population have no clue as to what is shaping up in Ukraine at present.

For all those seeking to disestablish or defund the BBC...be careful what you wish for!

 

[GrumpyWasTooCheerful]

For all those seeking to disestablish or defund the BBC...be careful what you wish for!

Have you ever seen just how massive the BBC's offices are behind Broadcasting House? Or the size of their offices compared with ITV's at Salford Quays?
Both national broadcasters, with the same basic brief, the difference is one is funded by a tax and is literally unaccountable, and the other commercially funded and accountable to its share holders via a dividend.
The Beeb's powers that be want to be privatised, its archives and rights are worth billions and can't be sold until they p1ss everyone off in govt enough to be sold off. Wheels within wheels.
Public service, my Arrse!