The Top Ten Great Britons

#1
I ran across this article, while I am not British opinions know no national boundaries.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/greatbritons.shtml


The Top Ten Great Britons

1-Winston Churchill - 456,498 votes (28.1%)
2-Isambard Kingdom Brunel - 398,526 votes (24.6%)
3-Diana, Princess of Wales - 225,584 votes (13.9%)
4-Charles Darwin - 112,496 votes (6.9%)
5-William Shakespeare - 109,919 votes (6.8%)
6-Isaac Newton - 84,628 votes (5.2%)
7-Queen Elizabeth I - 71,928 votes (4.4%)
8-John Lennon - 68,445 votes (4.2%)
9-Horatio Nelson - 49,171 votes (3%)
10-Oliver Cromwell - 45,053 (2.8%)


Isambard Kingdom Brunel never heard of him.
Diana, Princess of Wales , Please even over here the funeral was on 24/7. I don't get it and I never will.
John Lennon while he was great, in the top ten , too high a rating for me.
No William for winning The Battle of Hastings or Harold for winning at Stamford Bridge than loosing at Hastings, both remarkable leaders.
 
#4
Brunel was perhaps the greatest engineer of the Industrial Age and, IMHO, rightly placed in the top 10.

William and Harold were a Norman and a Saxon respectively, not Britons

Lennon? Reasonable song writer, terrible choice of women. Imagine has to be in my Top 10 worst records of all time
Cromwell? Created the modern parliamentary democracy, it's true, but a traitor to his King and banned Christmas
Diana? Please tell me that's a joke.

What about
Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington
John Churchill, Duke of Marlborough
Jeremy Bentham, John Locke or Thomas Hobbes
Handel or Elgar
Shackleton or Fiennes
Dickens, Keats or Wordsworth

Much better choices out there!!
 
#5
Isambard Kingdom Brunel never heard of him.
Diana, Princess of Wales , Please even over here the funeral was on 24/7. I don't get it and I never will.
John Lennon while he was great, in the top ten , too high a rating for me.
No William for winning The Battle of Hastings or Harold for winning at Stamford Bridge than loosing at Hastings, both remarkable leaders.
Isambard Kingdom Brunel was one of the most brilliant engineers of his time or in fact of any time! http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RAbrunel.htm

William the conqueror was the Duke of Normandy and upon 'conquering England and most of Wales' (Never Northern Ireland or Scotland) he returned to his native Normandy and only returned to England to quell ensuing rebellions in York and Berwick Upon Tweed. Therefore he cannot be counted as a Great Briton.
 
#6
Diana my arrse!!
 
#7
William the conqueror was the Duke of Normandy and upon 'conquering England and most of Wales' (Never Northern Ireland or Scotland) he returned to his native Normandy and only returned to England to quell ensuing rebellions in York and Berwick Upon Tweed. Therefore he cannot be counted as a Great Briton.
If that is the case and I will accept you reasons than who was the first British King?
 
#8
Either William and Mary with the 1707 Act of Union between Britain and Scotland forming the Kingdom of Great Britain or George III with the 1801 Creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

Alternatively, If you take "British" to mean an indigenous race of these islands, you could argue that we haven't had a "British" king since 55BC!
 
#9
Either William and Mary with the 1707 Act of Union between Britain and Scotland forming the Kingdom of Great Britain or George III with the 1801 Creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
an
I am equating Briton and British to be about the same. That may be incorrect, but if you use the above definition than-Oliver Cromwell, Queen Elizabeth I and William Shakespeare could not be on the list.

Alternatively, If you take "British" to mean an indigenous race of these islands, you could argue that we haven't had a "British" king since 55BC!
To clarify how far back you can go to include people on the list . When did the Briton become English and who was the first king of England ?
 
#11
NEO_CON said:
Either William and Mary with the 1707 Act of Union between Britain and Scotland forming the Kingdom of Great Britain or George III with the 1801 Creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
an
I am equating Briton and British to be about the same. That may be incorrect, but if you use the above definition than-Oliver Cromwell, Queen Elizabeth I and William Shakespeare could not be on the list.

Alternatively, If you take "British" to mean an indigenous race of these islands, you could argue that we haven't had a "British" king since 55BC!
To clarify how far back you can go to include people on the list . When did the Briton become English and who was the first king of England ?
The first undisputed king of England was Canute (reigned 1016 - 1035). IIRC, he was Danish, but nationality wasnt really an issue then, after all, Richard I (The Lionheart) didnt even speak the lingo although he is probably regarded as one of the great English kings.
 
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CarpeDiem said:
Alternatively, If you take "British" to mean an indigenous race of these islands, you could argue that we haven't had a "British" king since 55BC!
Yes but Gaius Julius didn't stick around did he? 43AD would be a better choice, however there was a brief period after 410 when it could be said that the Britons ruled themselves, they weren't very good at it though.

I would actually argue that the accession of James VI/I constitutes the de facto creation of Britain as political entity although IIRC some of the Anglo-Saxon kings recieved fealty from large parts of lowland Scotland.
 

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#14
CarpeDiem said:
Either William and Mary with the 1707 Act of Union between Britain and Scotland forming the Kingdom of Great Britain or George III with the 1801 Creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
!

King James VI surely? 1603 Union of the Crowns.


Edited to add. Bugger. You beat me to it Bladensburg :)
 
#16
Henry the Fifth was born in Monmouth and changed the law and the language from French to English, as he ruled England and Wales plus some of Scotland does that make him the first British King?
 
#17
Acting Colonel Jorge Mendonca DSO MBE
 
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#18
sandmanfez said:
NEO_CON said:
Either William and Mary with the 1707 Act of Union between Britain and Scotland forming the Kingdom of Great Britain or George III with the 1801 Creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
an
I am equating Briton and British to be about the same. That may be incorrect, but if you use the above definition than-Oliver Cromwell, Queen Elizabeth I and William Shakespeare could not be on the list.

Alternatively, If you take "British" to mean an indigenous race of these islands, you could argue that we haven't had a "British" king since 55BC!
To clarify how far back you can go to include people on the list . When did the Briton become English and who was the first king of England ?
The first undisputed king of England was Canute (reigned 1016 - 1035). IIRC, he was Danish, but nationality wasnt really an issue then, after all, Richard I (The Lionheart) didnt even speak the lingo although he is probably regarded as one of the great English kings.
Nope, Alfred the Great 871-899 The first de jure king of all 'Engla Land'
 
#19
benjaminw1 said:
sandmanfez said:
NEO_CON said:
Either William and Mary with the 1707 Act of Union between Britain and Scotland forming the Kingdom of Great Britain or George III with the 1801 Creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
an
I am equating Briton and British to be about the same. That may be incorrect, but if you use the above definition than-Oliver Cromwell, Queen Elizabeth I and William Shakespeare could not be on the list.

Alternatively, If you take "British" to mean an indigenous race of these islands, you could argue that we haven't had a "British" king since 55BC!
To clarify how far back you can go to include people on the list . When did the Briton become English and who was the first king of England ?
The first undisputed king of England was Canute (reigned 1016 - 1035). IIRC, he was Danish, but nationality wasnt really an issue then, after all, Richard I (The Lionheart) didnt even speak the lingo although he is probably regarded as one of the great English kings.
Nope, Alfred the Great 871-899 The first de jure king of all 'Engla Land'
Alfred didnt rule all of England, the north and east were ceded to the Danes under the title "Danelaw" at best he was king of Wessex and Mercia, and a dodgy cook to boot.
 
#20
This is by far the most surreal thread I've read in ages. Christ knows what a septic like Neo_Con must think of it. Most Spams can't get their head around any meaningful history prior to 1945. A friend of mine recently got a job at Harvard (est 1636) and was absolutely gobsmacked when I told her that the (state) high-school I attended in the UK was founded 28 years earlier.
 

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