The Times - Fijian soldier sends medals to Prince Charles over citizenship fight

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The Times - Fijian soldier sends medals to Prince Charles over citizenship fight

A Fijian soldier who fought deportation after leaving the Army has returned four medals to the Prince of Wales, saying in a letter that they had lost their meaning because of the way he and his family had been treated. Bale Baleiwai, 32, his British wife and their two children face possible bankruptcy and the loss of their home in Bournemouth despite winning a six-month battle with the Government in December over his right to British citizenship.

“My service to Queen and Country has been dishonoured and I have been betrayed,” Mr Baleiwai wrote. “Throughout this period we have tried to be proactive, graceful and dignified. We have not even received an apology from this Government and they continue to pass the buck ... I therefore feel I can no longer accept my medals. I received them with honour and with great sadness they have now become meaningless.”

Echoing a problem experienced by other soldiers, Mr Baleiwai discovered upon leaving the Army in June that an internal punishment he had received after a fight with a fellow soldier had left him with a criminal record. When he applied to the UK Border Agency for citizenship — a right for all Commonwealth soldiers who have served in the military for at least five years — his application was rejected.

The news stunned Mr Baleiwai, who had been a soldier for 12 years, completing dangerous tours of Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia and Northern Ireland. He also served alongside Prince Harry at Combermere Barracks, in Windsor.
“I believed in the [Army’s] values so to be told I have not got a good enough character to be a British citizen when I have a British wife and kids was a massive kick in the teeth,” he said.

His wife, Kim, 31, was also stunned. “I really thought it was a mistake. It felt like this is a nightmare,” she said.

The couple never imagined that the summary hearing that found Mr Baleiwai guilty two years earlier would result in a criminal conviction, given that it was conducted by his commanding officer rather than a court of law.

The soldier, who said he acted in self-defence, accepted the verdict because he wanted to get on with his career. It was only when he realised the implications last summer that he appealed. “If I had known at the time I would have sought proper advice,” he said.

The appeal took place in November and Mr Baleiwai was found not guilty. The granting of British citizenship followed a month later but by that time the damage to the family’s finances and prospects had already been done. During the six months fighting the conviction, the couple had lived off their savings. They now have nothing. “Our plans got destroyed,” Mr Baleiwai said. “We have now got to pick up the pieces.”


He has managed to find work but the salary is only enough for the family to live day to day and they have just been served notice on their house. “It just feels cruel,” said Mrs Baleiwai."
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/defence/article3666583.ece
 
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Bale Baleiwai, 32, his British wife and their two children face possible bankruptcy and the loss of their home in Bournemouth despite winning a six-month battle with the Government in December over his right to British citizenship.
Now where on earth could the Baleiweis have got that idea from?

Mrs Sally Nightingale:But we face being made homeless because of the cost of clearing his name.
Members of the public have been extremely generous, and we thank everyone for all of their donations.”
I was pleased that he was allowed to stay and of course it would be sad if he really was being made homeless
but there's a number of Mrs's Baleiwei's previous statements to the press that, quite honesty, I would raise an eyebrow over.
 

Grumblegrunt

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we aren't the foreign legion though so 'right to remain' married or not isn't a guaranteed thing. he married here so she should be prepared to go back to fiji with him.

there is I believe something about it in the marriage ceremony although I am no veteran in those matters.

its nice that he came over to join up and did some proper work but he was an economic migrant after all filling a job vacancy, even the marriage was probably part of his long term plan to stay away from home.
 
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we aren't the foreign legion though so 'right to remain' married or not isn't a guaranteed thing. he married here so she should be prepared to go back to fiji with him.

there is I believe something about it in the marriage ceremony although I am no veteran in those matters.

its nice that he came over to join up and did some proper work but he was an economic migrant after all filling a job vacancy, even the marriage was probably part of his long term plan to stay away from home.
You contradict your own logic in that post. No guaranteed "right to remain, married or not" according to you, yet his marriage was "probably" only part of this soldier's long term plan to stay away from home? Might be sensible to keep such speculation about other people's personal lives to yourself.
 
#5
There is a hint of a Drama Queen about this whole business (covered ad naseum elsewhere). Returning the medals is self-serving, attention-seeking behaviour. However, if they are trying to garner cash for expenses, his medal set, along with certificates, etc, would be worth a pretty penny to bona fide collectors.
 
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I feel for the family and think this could have been handled, by all parties, differently! However, if you’ve served this country, for whatever personal reason, I believe you should have the RIGHT to citizenship. There are a lot of other people, born in this country that do not give but only take; we are now in the fourth generation of benefit claiming families who sponge off the state. They do nothing for this country other than plunder the coffers for cash, steal from hard working families and shout loudly that it is their RIGHT to do so! Send those sponging fcukers over to Fiji, keep the soldier!
 

Grumblegrunt

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You contradict your own logic in that post. No guaranteed "right to remain, married or not" according to you, yet his marriage was "probably" only part of this soldier's long term plan to stay away from home? Might be sensible to keep such speculation about other people's personal lives to yourself.
my missus was IND so I got her tales every night for 5 years or when something like this comes up on the news, she still does immigration in HMRC as nearly every restaurant she raids has illegals there - even married he could be sent back if it was deemed a convenience as she used to do the sending back.

No probably about it - I've known plenty who have come over here from all over to find a wife so they can stay and shit on the system in one form or another. he took the risks and it backfired a little. sit and chat with the greenies in any naafi or factory canteen and you will encounter the same plan over and over - find a local girl, get legal and start bringing the family over in most cases. not saying they don't love their wives (although there are a couple who were right cnuts) but that was a by product of the plan which is after all only human nature.

if he gets over it then fine I wish him well but he shouldn't complain when the system he was working and doing rather well out of goes against him. the army/IND probably did use a double standard, but them's the rules.

the medal stunt is just drama - more games, probably hoping for a wealthy donor to bail them out.

automatic right to remain hasn't worked so well in aldershot I gather.
 
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Strikes me that his case, was a case of being an easy one to investigate just by a "paper sift" and so they clamped down on him to take easy action on an easy target. If he had to be properly investigated then they wouldn't have bothered looking.

There should be a swift and straightforward way to appeal these decisions. I would favour a simple form sent to his former CO asking questions like; "Would he make a good citizen?" or "Would he make a good neighbour?" or, "Would YOU let him stay in this counrty after he completes his service?". And then allow residency based on the CO's say so. That would do for me. Let's face it there are loads, huge numbers of people, with far less right to be here.
 
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I feel for the family and think this could have been handled, by all parties, differently! However, if you’ve served this country, for whatever personal reason, I believe you should have the RIGHT to citizenship. There are a lot of other people, born in this country that do not give but only take; we are now in the fourth generation of benefit claiming families who sponge off the state. They do nothing for this country other than plunder the coffers for cash, steal from hard working families and shout loudly that it is their RIGHT to do so! Send those sponging fcukers over to Fiji, keep the soldier!
Seconded.
 
#11
There are thousands of British born subjects in this country who have done nothing for the nation and continue to be a leach upon society wasting govt money , NHS , social services and Police time and effort.

So what if this bloke has come here with a view to doing his 5 years and settling ?

He did 5 years for the crown he should be allowed to stay. Its far more than many "ethnic brits" do ..........
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
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the appeal process is simple enough and not expensive. its then down to the court to decide.

There's a lot of problems could be solved if we could deport the wives/families with them, it would cut down the convenience marriages that fill the papers as you would have to be pretty serious to lose your council house for a mud hut.

the US is offering citizenship for service as standard, we could as well which would at least make it honest.
 
#13
I feel for the family and think this could have been handled, by all parties, differently! However, if you’ve served this country, for whatever personal reason, I believe you should have the RIGHT to citizenship.
Agreed - unless you really are a odious **** and have committed a heinous felony. However, scrapping in the NAAFI, whilst pissed, is not the crime of the century (unless it becomes a heinous felony of course) and should not preclude Fijians, Gurkhas, Irishmen, Welshmen & Jocks(do they count in this bracket?) from getting a British passport.
 
#14
Again, it's the PBI that has to put the cash up! Why did it even get to this point? Soft target, that’s the way to describe this guy, if he'd been hiding in an attic room with twenty of his mates above a curry house, in Birmingham, H.M. whatever Gov. Section wouldn't have been interested in him and he'd be living there now, why? Because all those others are "Too hard to do"! If you want to get this country working right again, find the illegal’s, kick them out, find the spongers make them work for their cash, hang the murders and paedophiles, take the T.V.s and games consoles out of the prison cells and make prisoners brake rocks, close the boarders, stop sending our money and troops overseas and make politicians accountable for the money they’re claiming off the tax payers! Fcuk me, this country has really hit the depths of fcukdom if a guy with medals gets kicked out for a bit of a scuffle and Imam Mohammed Killtheinfidels can stay!
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
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Sorry, bit of a rant "off topic"!
I agree it is unfair, you should have heard what my missus used to tell me and the ********* that would turn up or the terps who would spin the answers to fit the requirements. fiji is safe though which is most likely why he was rejected pending appeal. she had one guy on the chair explaining how the nastymen raped his wife and daughters and so on. she asked what relevance it had on his claim as he hadn't mentioned himself - he held up his hands and they had taken the tips off every finger and toe.

thousands of pakistanis turned up and were granted leave on the bases if they calimed to be afghani and the embassy in london was surviving by selling passports to anyone with money. when the IND decided that afghanistan was safe and told them they could go back they suddenly decided they were pakistani again so got deported for lying. well I say deported they all probably disappeared.

I nearly tried something similar to get to the US as a kid, some yanks I served with even found me a dim blonde wife with big tits called laura from baltimore who thought it would be a giggle to have an english husband. If I'd had more money I would have gone too. back then though you needed a green card before you could apply to the military for work.
 
#18
He served 13 years and has the right to feel the way he does, he and his family have had a very rough deal. In another article, link below, it says that he had a private ceremony on 21st December which was pushed forward at a cost of £270 before his visa ran out on 29th December which would have made him an overstayer and up for deportation again. I don't believe that this is about money at all, but people will always percieve things that way. I wonder if he has had the £1,000 fine paid back now that he has been found not guilty? Sometimes a proper heartfelt apology might just do the job. Ex-Windsor-based soldier hands back medals / Royal Borough Observer / News / Roundup
 

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