The Times: Cambridge college named after Churchill to debate his ‘backward’ views on race

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Fundamentally, stop trying to push 50 percent of kids though university. New Labour only did it to keep the youth unemployment figures down.

That many of them take useless Media Studies courses which are little more than Marxist indoctrination is a byproduct.
 
Fundamentally, stop trying to push 50 percent of kids though university. New Labour only did it to keep the youth unemployment figures down.

That many of them take useless Media Studies courses which are little more than Marxist indoctrination is a byproduct.
Poor old John Major did this also when he had a youff unemployment problem, remember the YTS, even ASYTS. Also I think the Grinning Spiv did this to patronize the upper working class and lower middle class who never had a family member go to Uni? Supermarket conversation ''Our Murie and Jason are going to Uni you know'' proud Grandma!
 
Poor old John Major did this also when he had a youff unemployment problem, remember the YTS, even ASYTS. Also I think the Grinning Spiv did this to patronize the upper working class and lower middle class who never had a family member go to Uni? Supermarket conversation ''Our Murie and Jason are going to Uni you know'' proud Grandma!

And to create lots of cushy jobs for his mates - university chancellors make serious wedge for doing what, no-one knows.

 
Poor old John Major did this also when he had a youff unemployment problem, remember the YTS, even ASYTS. Also I think the Grinning Spiv did this to patronize the upper working class and lower middle class who never had a family member go to Uni? Supermarket conversation ''Our Murie and Jason are going to Uni you know'' proud Grandma!

The Grinning Spiv wanted to reinvent the UK as a Scandinavian style country with a docile population of well educated, middle class social democrats who'd vote New Labour in perpetuity. Hence the expansion of higher education.

Go back a few generations and most people left school at 14. The majority were glad to go.
If you wanted to advance and improve yourself - and earn more than pennies - you got an apprenticeship or went to night school.

The economy has changed, but I still see very little need for most people to stay in school beyond the age of 15 or 16. Most university degrees are overrated and are unnecessary for the average career path. Kids are better off getting a foundation in the workplace. Higher education - if required - can come later.
 

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There's the possibility that the pendulum may swing all the way, what happened to all the trendy intellectual Marxists in Cambodia when the Khmer Rouge took over? They thought they would become the highly privileged Inner Party but they were sent straight out to labour in the fields...

Good - there is a shortage of agricultural workers.

Poor old John Major did this also when he had a youff unemployment problem, remember the YTS, even ASYTS. Also I think the Grinning Spiv did this to patronize the upper working class and lower middle class who never had a family member go to Uni? Supermarket conversation ''Our Murie and Jason are going to Uni you know'' proud Grandma!

YTS started before John Major was PM, but as a Cabinet Minister he may have been involved. My brother went on a YTS scheme as soon as he left school and has worked in the job ever since.

The Grinning Spiv wanted to reinvent the UK as a Scandinavian style country with a docile population of well educated, middle class social democrats who'd vote New Labour in perpetuity. Hence the expansion of higher education.

Go back a few generations and most people left school at 14. The majority were glad to go.
If you wanted to advance and improve yourself - and earn more than pennies - you got an apprenticeship or went to night school.

The economy has changed, but I still see very little need for most people to stay in school beyond the age of 15 or 16. Most university degrees are overrated and are unnecessary for the average career path. Kids are better off getting a foundation in the workplace. Higher education - if required - can come later.

In fairness many enterprising people combine higher education and apprenticeships.
 
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Good - there is a shortage of agricultural workers.



YTS started before John Major was PM, but as a,Cabinet Minister he may have been involved. My brother went on a,YTS scheme as soon as he left school and has worked in the job ever since.



In fairness many enterprising people combine higher education and apprenticeships.
Yes, YTS was job creation and training programme. Also reduced headline youth unemployment figures.
 
And it's still going on, in spite of "certain arrsers" trying to spin this as a good thing.

"Royal Holloway music professor quits over cancel culture

Richard Wagner’s racism and antisemitism have led some to argue that his music should not be taught
FRANZ VON LENBACH
Ben Ellery
Monday September 20 2021, 12.01am, The Times
A music professor has resigned in protest at the move to decolonise curriculums and the “no platforming” of academics.

Paul Harper-Scott, 43, who taught musical history and theory at Royal Holloway, University of London, said that he had become profoundly disillusioned at how increasingly dogmatic universities were becoming, with cancel culture seemingly “endemic”.

He said that music departments could stop teaching Beethoven and Wagner because their compositions were produced during a time of empire “in the frankly insane belief that doing so will somehow materially improve current living conditions for the economically, socially, sexually, religiously, or racially underprivileged”.


It's the destruction of white culture and history. It's nice to know where some people stand though, perhaps instead of going along with it they should have the moral courage to speak out against their so called peers?

You'd think that they might learn from history as it's supposed to be their subject.
 

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Something occurred to me as this thread popped up as having had a news post:

It is profoundly arrogant to assume that anything other than a current* view on race is wrong. Identity politics has done far more to damage race relations in this country than anything else in recent years - and has done so in a remarkably short space of time.

Leading on from that, the point that it is about the destruction of white culture and history needs to be addressed.

So much of BAME culture - and black culture in particular, given that BAME and black seem to be synonymous in all this - is predicated on Western/white culture but with a different skin tone.

Despite some of the efforts during, for instance, Black History Month to re-write the history books in terms of who discovered or invented what, so much of what non-white groups take for granted in their day-to-day lives is founded in a white culture or was brought to the world by white engineers and inventors.



*Where 'current' is in reality only the standpoint of a very small but vociferous minority (and not necessarily a BAME minority at that...).
 
It seems that the Vice-Chancellor of Cambridge University will soon be leaving.

Douglas Murray for the Spectator, 20 September 2021, 7:30pm

Farewell to Cambridge’s disastrous Vice-Chancellor
Toope worked on deepening the university’s relations with the authoritarian Communist regime, gaining funding from them and allowing this funding to influence the direction of research at the university. Williams concluded that the relationship was at best dictated not just by greed but by naivety. It is a generous interpretation. For a Vice-Chancellor to try to crack down on academic freedom at Cambridge while sucking up to one of the most authoritarian regimes on earth is more than naïve – it is sinister.

Link to full article which is worth reading: Farewell to Cambridge’s disastrous Vice-Chancellor | The Spectator
 

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