Ta is originally designed on the home guard principle so id have no problem protecting my country by firefighting policing etc
the Ta is vital because most infantry battalions (i think all bar gurkhas but not 100%) is short of men we can add to the regular battalions and bring them up to strength for tours and wars
the way i see the TA is we are a bunch of blokes who are competant soldiers who can fill gaps and mobalise in formed units give us beat up training pre tour and we will be as good if not better than the regs because we want to do 6 months in ireland/kosovo
We are not as good as the regulars, after beat up, we are not as good as our regular counterparts, but know enough, not to be a danger and liability to ourselves and our regular counterparts.
On completion of our 3/6/12 month tour, yes, we are as good as our regular counterparts, because we've put the time in with them on the ground.
A note to senior NCO's , Platoon commanders, OC's etc. If we have had guys away on tours with the Regs, then we should be milking them of their expertise when they get back. "This is the way it is done in the regs at the moment"
Great, then let's have that experince utilised.
I am unsure, as to why this thread was posted in here, save to end up in a glorified B*tchfest.
Kenny R. Your thinking is as behind the times as the Red Menace storming up from Brighton Beach.
Eagle, can we have this transferred back into the TA thread, before it becomes a magnet for general unpleasantness?
I agree. But is this not what the naafi bar is for. A place for heated dicussions about anything and everything? Dubious content and severe banter, one recalls reading on the door before one entered. I say leave it where it is and lets have some severe banter. I'm sure the label STAB is only from the minority, so let us hear more views.
Having done my 23 years and now a TA WO and on a tour for 6 months and having served as a PSI. I think I can comment with some expertise- the TA are a gun club with a drink problem- quoted fron the TA board- makes me chuckle. I won't be extending my time with the TA on my return. Don't think I am tarring all TA as not very good as some are excellent- they are few and far between.
The TA on tour do a vital job but they do it to a point when they say- I've had enough can I go home. They don't have that bit of 'extra' that puts a regular way above them. One thing the regular can be sure of any tours from now into the future will include a high number of TA, as it is the cheap* option, so get used to them and get used to how to handle them. They do require special handling.
*: no high cost in training, no pensions, no quarters or meidcal or dental care- thats why the MoD loves us TA!
My argument would be that it's down to the individuals concerned, perhaps the units, rather than a blanket "TA don't have that extra bit" statement.
Consider the last two World Wars..... there were plenty of Territorial battalions (hell, even formations) which proved that they could carry on well past "can I go home" stage; similarly, there were regular battalions that didn't exactly shine. For instance; Territorial battalions went into Arnhem.
Consider current times...... try saying that the TA "give in earlier" to any of those units who wear sand, red, or green berets.
Parttimepongo........yes, my thinking is behind the times, but remember I served when the Army was a force to be reckoned with. I am just a crusty old fart who remembers the "good old days" when men were men and so were the women!!!!!
There was none of this political correctness and there was no where near the amount of bellyaching from the ranks that there is today......imagine SNCOs complaining that they have to be a member of the mess??!!
Anyway, sorry I got off the thread. The TA are a valuable asset that should be nurtured, not pulled apart, but not at the expense of the Regular Army............Ken