The TA is most understrength where?

The TA is most understrenth where?

  • OR'S

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  • LCps/Cpls

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  • SNCO/WOs

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • OCdts

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2LTs-Capts

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Maj and above

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  • Total voters
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#1
The TA forum seems to have many posts about lack of officer cadets, is that a problem?

or are we concentrating on the wrong area.

I get annoyed that good potential operators are sent down the OCdt route leaving my unit with no Injuns.
 
#2
Well, I don't know about the rest of the country, but we certainly need more JNCOs here.
 
#3
its across the board. Varies by region. Embedded problems for the future as rank ranges are half empty.
 
#7
Problem some units have is that the majority of recruits come from uni, and because they go to uni they get poached to be officer cadets, even if they are wholly unsuitable. So the unit loses out on potential OR's
 
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Mr_Logic

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#8
As I understand it;

Understrength
Cpls and Capts - the generation who deployed on or left at, or after, the large OP TELIC 1 deployments.
Junior DE officers generally, hence the TA LE takeover.

Up to or overstrength
Older Majs and SNCOs, many of whom have deployed but are not really matched to the bulk of gaps the Regular Army need filling.

We used to have a large TA with numerous local Battalions across the counties. The politicians disbanded and amalgamated them as they were not required in those numbers! Those politicians are far-sighted and intelligent aren't they?
 
#9
As I see it, the main problem is doing the same with fewer thus masking the real extent of the shortfalls. The TA could be its own worst enemy.
 
#11
Mr_Logic said:
Junior DE officers generally, hence the TA LE takeover.
I don't think thats a bad thing, especially if you get LE's at an early age (30-40 not 40+). Too many people following DE route are unsuitable, its weakening the commissioning process and the current system seems desperate to commission anyone who has enough quals.

Many of these would have been told to wait a few years or get LCpl before trying for a commission. The system has been shot to pieces and older DE's now have more in common with future LE's, as they've both spent (some) time within the ranks.
 
#12
Not enough JNCO's that actually do the job. This affect recruiting and retention, meaning less bods through the door, that stay and are trained and capable to do their trade.

A terminal case of "Too many chief's, and not enough indians".
 
#13
And how many Officers are no longer turning in, but their CO's 'haven't got round' to processing their discharge papers?

I know I could name two in one squadron alone.

This might have something to do with retention forming part of the CO's OJAR, thereby making it in their interest to falsely report.

msr
 
#14
If the poll is correct so far, we shall in a few years time struggle to fill SNCO slots but the Junior Officer problem is sorted (assuming the OCdt training actually produces officers)
 
#15
Hold on, the TA is officially 30% under strength of 2Lt - Capt. In reality I suspect it is a lot higher than that.

You cannot solve an officer crisis by simply transferring the Sgts Mess into the Officers' Mess.

msr
 
#16
msr said:
Hold on, the TA is officially 30% under strength of 2Lt - Capt. In reality I suspect it is a lot higher than that.

You cannot solve an officer crisis by simply transferring the Sgts Mess into the Officers' Mess.

msr
If we don't get more troops through the door, we won't have the SNCOs to turn into Officers.

Bear in mind also that leadership training for soldiers isn't quite as detailed as it is for officers. CLM will make a difference, but I do wonder how many will decide that the grief and aggravation involved once a Sergeant just isn't worth it. The hoops that Officer Cadets are jumping through, and the time commitment involved are onerous, especially in an industrial climate that can see junior managers easily doing a 50 hour work week just to keep on top of their work.

I can see a time coming when the make up of the TA mirrors the conscript forces that you see in some other nations. Officers and Senior NCOs are Regular, whilst the bulk of the manpower are provided by TA.
 
#17
msr said:
You cannot solve an officer crisis by simply transferring the Sgts Mess into the Officers' Mess.
Is that being done? I've seen no increase in LE's, if anything it appears to have slowed down.
 
#18
polar said:
If the poll is correct so far, we shall in a few years time struggle to fill SNCO slots but the Junior Officer problem is sorted (assuming the OCdt training actually produces officers)
Let me assure you that the Junior Officer problem is anything but sorted. What those in the ivory towers who guff out papers about TA OCD seem to be missing, is that in the not too distant future there will be noone to read them.

msr
 
#19
msr said:
You cannot solve an officer crisis by simply transferring the Sgts Mess into the Officers' Mess.

How did you discover the government's next strategy?! :D
 
#20
And how many Offrs are in acting rank?

That would be an interesting statistic.

msr
 

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