The TA and The Falklands War

#1
Hello,

Apologies for double posting in here and the Military History forum but this is somewhat urgent!

I have been tasked to give a ten minute presentation on the involvement of the TA in the Falklands. Not a problem except it is due for Thursday and has been passed down today.

To my knowledge there wasn't a TA involvement in the Falklands because of the speed of the response and the TA being seen as a home defence force at that time. If anyone could provide any insights, experience or pointers in the right direction I would be extremley grateful.

RustyH
(currently at 10,000ft and climbing)
 
#4
Just chat endless shit about how the taskforce wouldn't have been able to sail then fight the Argentinians if it hadn't been for the TA.

It works on here for Telic and Herrick.
 
#7
I admire Spaz.

He once drove all the way from Windsor to Catterick for sex with a grannie on a sofa, so that we could all laugh at him.



Don't really think that many, if any TA say that HERRICK and TELIC could not have been fought without them. A lot of oddly sensitive Regulars say that they do, though; which isn't quite the same thing. They do this because they're delicate souls lacking slightly in self-esteem
 
#8
As an aside, I might have given the same reply to that task as I do to those that come in with no notice and an unrealistic expectation in my day job: either "bugger off I'm too busy", or "bugger off but I can do it for next week when I'll have enough time to research and prepare it properly".
 
#9
As an aside, I might have given the same reply to that task as I do to those that come in with no notice and an unrealistic expectation in my day job: either "bugger off I'm too busy", or "bugger off but I can do it for next week when I'll have enough time to research and prepare it properly".
Yes, I could have however when Lt Col's tell Lt's what to do it tends to be a good idea to get on with it...
 
#10
Rusty,

My wife was in the TA at the time - the General Hospital based in Cardiff. Elements of the nursing staff were asked to volunteer to deploy as IRs. However, the conflict ended before they had commenced pre-deployment training!

Cheers

Berlin
 
#11
I can only respond from the viewpoint of a TA infantry corporal at the time and therefore was not privy to the official goings-on of the time.

It was a time of confusion, speculation and rumour. ARRSE missed out on the opportunity to live up to its name.

As I recall, it was a time when the Regular Army was under-recruited and the TA was at one of its highest peacetime manning levels. A large proportion of the Regular Army was in Germany performing UK's standing NATO commitment.

Rumour was rife that the Regular Army would be unable to fulfil the NATO commitment and send a force to FI in sufficient numbers. That left the TA in a position to either provide the FI relief or to swap with BAOR, allowing the Regulars to head south. It was a bit of a toss up between the two as the TA's role in Germany had been to take up assigned positions that were not those of the Regular Army. There was a thought that NATO would not allow the Regulars to leave their positions, so even more credence for the TA to be involved in the retake of FI.

The problem was that the Government could not just call out the bits of the TA that would have been needed. Legislation at that time decreed that when the Queen signed the mobilisation order, she'd get all of us - and there weren't enough boats. It would have made no sense, certainly not financially, to have tens of thousands of TA soldiers sat in the Drill Halls twiddling their thumbs and polishing their SLRs because they weren't needed.

So were weren't called up and the Regular Army, Marines, Navy and RAF seemed to have managed reasonably well without us.

There was a further rumour that there might be a push for legislation to be changed quickly with regard to mobilising by unit which would have allowed the TA to form a temporary garrison in the aftermath to prevent a second invasion. But that came to nothing either, at least not until 14 years later.
 
#12
I think that the oc of support company of one of the para battalions was ta on an s type? Might be wrong.

Several people tell of 131 cdo Sqn re being packed and ready to move to the port before being told legislation wouldn't allow it?
 
#13
Several people tell of 131 cdo Sqn re being packed and ready to move to the port before being told legislation wouldn't allow it?
A lot of people had their kit packed, ready to go. Certainly, my water bottle was full.

I don't think many will have gone much further than getting kit ready (rather than loaded) and getting admin squared away for a sharpish move. I wasn't aware of anyone who didn't understand that either we were all going* or that there'd have to be some rushed legislation - and the feeling was that with the politicians being mainly united on the issue, the rushed legislation could have been a possibility.

*When we weren't invited to be in the first team, eyes were glued to the news because we were aware that we'd scraped the barrel to send troops south while just maintaining (did we really?) our NATO committment and any further reinforcement would have necessitated the TA either joining the fracas or relieving BAOR to free up troops. Arguably, at that point, there would have been a need for a full call out, given that the Soviet leaders may have taken the opportunity to take advantage of the BAOR road humps not knowing which roads they were supposed to lie on.
 
#14
Just noticed this. There's a memorial plaque next to the gate in Keynsham park for a guy (Captain?) from 243 Fd Hosp who was killed during the campaign. IR, S Type or what I have no idea.
 
#15
I was a very spoggy gunner at the time so not privy to much from the grown ups. There was talk of training guys up as 'Battle Casalty Replacements', especially those with a more specialist role, but AFAIK it never came to anything.
 
#16
TA CMT and closest I got was sat in an old Landrover Ambulance in Southampton when Uganda came home. Supposed to be there to assist in removing casualties from ship.Extreme embarassment when helping and people clapping me on the shoulder and giving it the "welcome home son". Couldn't get out of there quick enough. We wern't really needed but it was good to be there and be part of the welcome home for them.
 
#18
My (wildly inaccurate) speculations about the way things might have gone were inspired by what I/we might have done in the Argentinian's position. Any half-witted TA corporal would have had his section on incessant digging, wiring, sand-bagging and mining from early April until mid-June. Any half-competent military dictator would have commandeered every excavator and earth-mover in the domestic construction industry, conscripted half the construction work-force and ensured that Port Stanley at least (since there seems to be FA else there worth defending) was surrounded by numerous concentric rings of defences that would have given Rommel a hard-on, by the time the attacking infantry reached it.

Fortunately (for the British) the Argentinian generals did not have the military competence of the hypothetical half-wit STAB corporal and their supply of fugitive Nazi war criminals elderly German military advisors had recently run out. It became apparent that the Generallissimos did not have the competence to run the army, the country or a piss-up in a brewery and lacked the integrity to do the decent thing with the mess Colt.

I'm not a great fan of the British Empire, but believe that the Argentinians should be grateful to the British armed forces for having rid them of a parasitic military dictatorship that would otherwise have required a very bloody and Marxist-controlled, revolution to dislodge. Unfortunately, their subsequent governments seem to be of a similar hue.
 
#19
Any half-witted TA corporal would have had his section on incessant digging, wiring, sand-bagging and mining from early April until mid-June.
Judging from the amount of military rubbish that is still there, the Argentines must have had a few ex-TA corporals in their ranks.
 
#20
My (wildly inaccurate) speculations about the way things might have gone were inspired by what I/we might have done in the Argentinian's position. Any half-witted TA corporal would have had his section on incessant digging, wiring, sand-bagging and mining from early April until mid-June. Any half-competent military dictator would have commandeered every excavator and earth-mover in the domestic construction industry, conscripted half the construction work-force and ensured that Port Stanley at least (since there seems to be FA else there worth defending) was surrounded by numerous concentric rings of defences that would have given Rommel a hard-on, by the time the attacking infantry reached it.

Fortunately (for the British) the Argentinian generals did not have the military competence of the hypothetical half-wit STAB corporal and their supply of fugitive Nazi war criminals elderly German military advisors had recently run out. It became apparent that the Generallissimos did not have the competence to run the army, the country or a piss-up in a brewery and lacked the integrity to do the decent thing with the mess Colt.

I'm not a great fan of the British Empire, but believe that the Argentinians should be grateful to the British armed forces for having rid them of a parasitic military dictatorship that would otherwise have required a very bloody and Marxist-controlled, revolution to dislodge. Unfortunately, their subsequent governments seem to be of a similar hue.
You think they weren't dug in?
 

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