The Smith Commission - Scottish Independence by the Back Door?

Auld-Yin

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Well, Lord Smith has published his Report and has the English MPs up in a tizzy before they have even read it!

The Smith Commission Report - read it here

It really is a sour-sweet situation which suits nobody.

Potential situation:
Labour win the GE and Labour PM
However the majority is with Scottish Labour MPs
Scottish MPs forbidden to vote on purely English matter
PM loses his majority in parliament on English affairs

If Scottish parliament given powers over Scottish income tax, English (and Welsh/NI) income t decided by Westminster, but Labour's PM has lost his majority in parliament due to Scottish MPs no longer able to vote on purely English matters.

Scenario 2 - Tories win GE and don't give a flying fcuk for Scotland - is Scotland then de facto, Independent?

Is this a governable situation? Is this acceptable to the electorate? Do the electorate care?
 

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Wee Nicola didn't seem too happy either!
 
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The Scottish nats are like certain factions of the Irish nats........






They havn't gone away, you know
 
Well, Lord Smith has published his Report and has the English MPs up in a tizzy before they have even read it!

The Smith Commission Report - read it here

It really is a sour-sweet situation which suits nobody.

Potential situation:
Labour win the GE and Labour PM
However the majority is with Scottish Labour MPs
Scottish MPs forbidden to vote on purely English matter
PM loses his majority in parliament on English affairs

If Scottish parliament given powers over Scottish income tax, English (and Welsh/NI) income t decided by Westminster, but Labour's PM has lost his majority in parliament due to Scottish MPs no longer able to vote on purely English matters.

Scenario 2 - Tories win GE and don't give a flying fcuk for Scotland - is Scotland then de facto, Independent?

Is this a governable situation? Is this acceptable to the electorate? Do the electorate care?

You're not special, the Tories don't care about anyone outside of London. It isn't just Scotland.

Federalism is the way forward.
 
Ahem. 55% voted no. Sturgeon can gurn as much as she wants, the promise to devolve more powers has been fulfilled or will be.

If it's a scintilla less than promised then I'd be the first to say man the barricades, if it's not, well it may be shit Nicola but that's democracy.

At the moment the Scottish Electorate appear to want to be British but have SNP representation at Westminster. The SNP need to get alongside that and not fûck up with the new money they get, because if they do they'll be in trouble with their electorate Lickety split.
 

Auld-Yin

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You're not special, the Tories don't care about anyone outside of London. It isn't just Scotland.

Federalism is the way forward.
Complete with President as Head of State?
 
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Auld-Yin

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Oy EScotia - this is a new subject i.e. The Smith Commission. Absolutely nothing to do with Scottish Independence!!! Honest :D
 

4(T)

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Possibly.

I just like the idea that the nations govern themselves, with an overarching UK cabinet deciding matters of UK interest.

Scotland, England, Wales, NI all get to address the local things - the UK body deals with everything else.



Why the feck do we need five governments in a tiny land mass like UK?

We already have about three times as much government as we need.
 

Auld-Yin

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Why the feck do we need five governments in a tiny land mass like UK?

We already have about three times as much government as we need.
It's the new 'In thing' to have.
 

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We Scot's are a nation of moaners.
It's almost a national pastime.
55% decided that we should remain subservient to Westminster.
This was win win for the Scottish people.
They get the increased powers and still the gift of being able to blame the English for everything.
The SNP can cry jings, crivens and help their boab about the situation as much as they want but they dropped a clanger by not letting ex pats vote.
Nothing more patriotic and independently minded than a sweraty who doesn't actually live their.
Had they let ex pats vote we'd have had thousands of flag drapped wally's screaming freedom and voting yes.
As it is they decided to styay subjects of Her Majesty and Her Goverment.
 
Why the feck do we need five governments in a tiny land mass like UK?

We already have about three times as much government as we need.

We effectively already have 5 'governments'. So feel free to read up before you post.

You're also conflating federalism with the requirement for 'more government'.

There is quite a lot of research to suggest that governing smaller countries results in better governed, happier, more successful countries.

But hey, why open yourself up to potential new ideas or solutions when you can just post 'witty' comments or close yourself off from anything that might change your view of the world.

Lastly, I said I liked the idea. I didn't say everything about it would necessarily be wonderful.
 
Ideally you'd have a national government dealing with Defence, Health, The Economy, Tax receipts and Foreign Affairs.

The rest should be devolved to regions. The lot.
 
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