The second Cold War?

#1
With Vladimir Putin strutting his stuff in Russia ,supressing opposition and sending up bombers/long-range recconnaissaince aircraft to NATO borders and supposedly instigating the posioning of Alaxender Litvinenko is the West heading for a new cold war?

If so with Russia likely to ramp up military spending(and be able to afford it easily from oil revenues),will the West be able to counter any likely challenge from Ivan?.

Discuss
 
#2
Le_addeur_noir said:
With Vladimir Putin strutting his stuff in Russia ,supressing opposition and sending up bombers/long-range recconnaissaince aircraft to NATO borders and supposedly instigating the posioning of Alaxender Litvinenko is the West heading for a new cold war?

If so with Russia likely to ramp up military spending(and be able to afford it easily from oil revenues),will the West be able to counter any likely challenge from Ivan?.

Discuss
So you want us to write your essay for you, is that right?
 
#4
And would it necessarily be a bad thing?
 
#6
It is not the second Cold War exactly but indeed geopolitical struggle between USA and Russia is looming.

Russia now is the only country that is an obstacle to global American domination in World affairs. The very existence of Russia seriously bounds American capabilities to launch new Iraqi-style adventures.

For example, Russia is able to support Iran by the most advaced weapons that would cause fameless defeat of the USA.

Of course, Washington would like to see its Western allies on its side in global geopolitical competition with Russia, competition for influence, for resources.

Unlikely the allies would be 100% on American side. Many would prefer to be neutral.
 
#7
Legislative elections are due soon this year in Russia, and presidential elections next year in both Russia and the USA. And now with Kosovo about to declare independence, things may heat up.
 
#8
KGB_resident said:
Russian now is the only country that is an obstacle to global American domination in World affairs.
Yes, China is just nothing in the big scheme of things.
 
#10
mr.fawlty said:
Legislative elections are due soon this year in Russia, and presidential elections next year in both Russia and the USA. And now with Kosovo about to declare independence, things may heat up.
Kosovo? Kosovo itself is not too important for Russia. But there is unique situation. Any result would be beneficial for Russia. If the independence is declared and Kosovo would be recognised by USA and other EU countries then immediately other break-away regions in Georgia in Moldova would be recognised as independent by Russia. If Kosovo doesn't declare its independence then Russia would be seen as influental enough to be counted with.

For years 'almighty' USA predicted imminent independence of Kosovo but still it hasn't happened. So the USA is not so 'almighty' as many think.
 
#11
EX_REME said:
KGB_resident said:
Russian now is the only country that is an obstacle to global American domination in World affairs.
Yes, China is just nothing in the big scheme of things.
With all my respect to our Chinese friends it should be said that this huge country hasn't so big nuclear forces as Russia and the USA. China is still a poor country and very dependent from USA from economical point of view. Also fast growing Chinese ecomony is hungry for resources, for oil and gas. And it is a weak point.

Now it is not a hard tast for the USA to ignore China. But Russia more and more is becoming a headache for Washington.
 
#12
KGB_resident said:
mr.fawlty said:
Legislative elections are due soon this year in Russia, and presidential elections next year in both Russia and the USA. And now with Kosovo about to declare independence, things may heat up.
Kosovo? Kosovo itself is not too important for Russia. But there is unique situation. Any result would be beneficial for Russia. If the independence is declared and Kosovo would be recognised by USA and other EU countries then immediately other break-away regions in Georgia in Moldova would be recognised as independent by Russia. If Kosovo doesn't declare its independence then Russia would be seen as influental enough to be counted with.

For years 'almighty' USA predicted imminent independence of Kosovo but still it hasn't happened. So the USA is not so 'almighty' as many think.
Recognized only by Russia, which doesn't amount to much. And Serbia would most likely go to war again over Kosovo, with Russian support. Let's say that Kosovo declares independence, Serbia lets it go under Russian pressure, and Russia recognizes Transnistria and the Georgian region, which are anyway run by Russia already. Where is the gain for Russia?
 
#13
KGB_resident said:
EX_REME said:
KGB_resident said:
Russian now is the only country that is an obstacle to global American domination in World affairs.
Yes, China is just nothing in the big scheme of things.
With all my respect to our Chinese friends it should be said that this huge country hasn't so big nuclear forces as Russia and the USA. China is still a poor country and very dependent from USA from economical point of view. Also fast growing Chinese ecomony is hungry for resources, for oil and gas. And it is a weak point.

Now it is not a hard tast for the USA to ignore China. But Russia more and more is becoming a headache for Washington.
No, but I am sure they have enough to wipe russia and the USA off the face of the earth, which in my book would be enough, any more would be a waste would it not?
 
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#14
Biscuits_Brown said:
And would it necessarily be a bad thing?
Yep, we might get Berlin back as a posting! The Monchers, Club 77, the Irish Harp, the Klo Bar. Bad thing my ass. Just think of the LOA.
 
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#15
KGB_resident said:
It is not the second Cold War exactly but indeed geopolitical struggle between USA and Russia is looming.

Russia now is the only country that is an obstacle to global American domination in World affairs. The very existence of Russia seriously bounds American capabilities to launch new Iraqi-style adventures.

For example, Russia is able to support Iran by the most advaced weapons that would cause fameless defeat of the USA.

Of course, Washington would like to see its Western allies on its side in global geopolitical competition with Russia, competition for influence, for resources.

Unlikely the allies would be 100% on American side. Many would prefer to be neutral.
Hasn't that always been the case? In saying that though, after years of scare mongering about the famed 3rd Shock Army, when we actually got to see the kit they were using, f*ck me it was sh*t. Talk about 'never mind the quality missus...feel the width'.
 
#16
mr.fawlty said:
KGB_resident said:
mr.fawlty said:
Legislative elections are due soon this year in Russia, and presidential elections next year in both Russia and the USA. And now with Kosovo about to declare independence, things may heat up.
Kosovo? Kosovo itself is not too important for Russia. But there is unique situation. Any result would be beneficial for Russia. If the independence is declared and Kosovo would be recognised by USA and other EU countries then immediately other break-away regions in Georgia in Moldova would be recognised as independent by Russia. If Kosovo doesn't declare its independence then Russia would be seen as influental enough to be counted with.

For years 'almighty' USA predicted imminent independence of Kosovo but still it hasn't happened. So the USA is not so 'almighty' as many think.
Recognized only by Russia, which doesn't amount to much. And Serbia would most likely go to war again over Kosovo, with Russian support. Let's say that Kosovo declares independence, Serbia lets it go under Russian pressure, and Russia recognizes Transnistria and the Georgian region, which are anyway run by Russia already. Where is the gain for Russia?
It's only for start. 99% of population in NE Estonia are ethnically Russians. Decalration of independece of Narva region is a matter of few minutes and Russian troops are quite near. Would NATO launch WW3? Unlikely.

I don't think that you dream to fight in Estonia to return Russian populated region under control of Estonian government.
 
#17
EX_REME said:
KGB_resident said:
EX_REME said:
KGB_resident said:
Russian now is the only country that is an obstacle to global American domination in World affairs.
Yes, China is just nothing in the big scheme of things.
With all my respect to our Chinese friends it should be said that this huge country hasn't so big nuclear forces as Russia and the USA. China is still a poor country and very dependent from USA from economical point of view. Also fast growing Chinese ecomony is hungry for resources, for oil and gas. And it is a weak point.

Now it is not a hard tast for the USA to ignore China. But Russia more and more is becoming a headache for Washington.
No, but I am sure they have enough to wipe russia and the USA off the face of the earth, which in my book would be enough, any more would be a waste would it not?
Our Chinese friends now have capability to cause unacceptable damage. But only Russia and the USA are able to wipe out the whole World several times. Only Russia and USA have huge missile potential have own satelite bases positioning systems.
 
#19
And where would be the Russian gain? NE Estonia would be attached to Russia, who would have to support it economically. Kosovo, on the other hand, is part of Serbia, a Russian ally. An independent Kosovo would become an American puppet state, armed by the Americans and financed in part by the Saudis, with the possibility of installing American bases and maybe anti-missile systems too, if they become too unpopular in Poland and the Czech republic. Russia has little to gain and much to lose if it lets go Kosovo.

Concerning China, it's not about who has the most nuclear weapons, it's about China not having a reason of disagreement with the Americans. China is not interested in Kosovo, Georgia, maybe a little in Iran, but not as much as Russia.
 
#20
The Nuclear age has passed, and in reality the size of Nuclear stockpiles are irrelevant when they pass a certain stage. Does it matter if the USA can destroy the world twice over or not. The fact that they can destroy a continet is all that matters.

China has only a small nuclear arsenal, for use as a detterent but is still a nuclear power. They also have an active chemical and biological weapons programme.

India and Pakistan both have a nuclear programme and have developed ballistic methods of delivery.

I belive that the American period as a sole hegemonic world power has passed, the USA is coming apart at the seems with domestic economic problems, and the difficulties they are having in Iraq and Afgahnistan.

The USSR is simply trying to reinstate itself as a world power after the 1990's during which the collapse of the USSR and the choas which insued saw them relegated to not even a region power.

Ultimatley we are seeing a return to the Bipolar cold war system, however as previously pointed out many new countries i.e. China will be much larger players than before.
 

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