The SA80A2 - What do you really think?

#1
Hi all. I've been lurking for some time but thought it was time to join up (the forum that is!) and get involved. One questino I have had for some time is regards to our good old standby, the SA80 or more specifically, the shiney new A2 modded version. Every now and then when the press are bored they drag out the 'crap unreliable rifle' story with a few anecdotes. From what I've heard from MoD people third hand they think it is now a good gun.

My question is what do you think? As in the people that actually use it on a day to day basis? I do not mean is it the perfect weapon but simply, is it any good and does it help you get the job done? I know throughout history the British soldier has kept going with both good and poor weapons and still do well.

Opinions would be most appreciated. Apologies in advance if this has already been covered elsewhere (I'm sure it has).
 
#3
I personally thought that the A1 wasn't that bad....as long as it was looked after. The A2 is better, a good rifle.
 
#4
...it has.

Search function works too........
 
#5
So, Polemarch.... are you:

a. A journo trying a double bluff, or

b. Some cnut from the MoD spin machine looking for goodnews to push out in Pravda, or

c. Really that stupid you can't search for the info on the various threads ad nauseum on this very topic?

My money's on (c)...
 
#8
I'm glad this topic's FINALLY come up on Arrse.

I just wish someone would start one on the SLR.
 
#9
Again?

It is the Worlds best live target rifle*.

And you Sir are a Journo. Not a very good one either; 'lurking for some time' my arrse.

Edited to add

*as opposed to a live target spray gun, just in case you don't understand.
 
#11
I really did not have as much trouble with the A1 as the media made out, it was essentially a good rifle.

I must say that the current A2 has made improvements to the rifles designs overall performance.

Personally i am more than happy with it and have deployed on operations in the past without any concerns regarding the A2.

Now if you wish to quote me please do so.
 
#13
AJ, Spotted! Thing is that unless you really use this weapon, you never really know anything. Poleman would do better going to talk to anyone from 2 R Anglian in Pirbright.
 
#16
Thanks for the comments, in answer to your questions, I am interested for no reason other than curiosity. It is just something I've been wondering for a time and there always seems to be a massive divide between the media horror stories, the MoD 'official' line and lastly what the people using the kit think.

Don't worry, I won't start the SLR or SA80 possible replacement thread. ;-)
 
#17
Polemarch said:
Thanks for the comments, in answer to your questions, I am interested for no reason other than curiosity. It is just something I've been wondering for a time and there always seems to be a massive divide between the media horror stories, the MoD 'official' line and lastly what the people using the kit think.

Don't worry, I won't start the SLR or SA80 possible replacement thread. ;-)
Thank God for small mercies :roll:

Now who are you that you are that under informed? Obviously not Service...
 
#18
Outstanding said:
AJ, Spotted! Thing is that unless you really use this weapon, you never really know anything. Poleman would do better going to talk to anyone from 2 R Anglian in Pirbright.

Not being pedantic, isn't it 1 R Anglian at Pirbright. 2 R Anglian based in Germany.
 
#19
I've never fired an M16, but I know plenty who have, and I've met nobody who's fired both who would take the SA80 (assuming that both came with an optical sight). A rifle is a machine for firing a round. The M16 is a better machine, in the opinion of most.

[It's a quiet Friday - let's poke the bears :D ]

Still, if it wasn't windy you'd be making a serious mistake popping up in front of anyone with a zeroed SA80 at anything less than 400m. A well-made SA80 (and they vary) with that sight is scary accurate.
 
#20
gobbyidiot said:
I've never fired an M16, but I know plenty who have, and I've met nobody who's fired both who would take the SA80 (assuming that both came with an optical sight). A rifle is a machine for firing a round. The M16 is a better machine, in the opinion of most.

[It's a quiet Friday - let's poke the bears :D ]

Still, if it wasn't windy you'd be making a serious mistake popping up in front of anyone with a zeroed SA80 at anything less than 400m. A well-made SA80 (and they vary) with that sight is scary accurate.
Pish - M16/M4 does not compare in either accuracy or reliability which Id say was most important factors.
 

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