The Royal Marines amphibious role ?

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According to the RN website, one of the Batch 2 River class OPVs will deploy to the Caribbean later this year to relieve RFA Mounts Bay, which will be available for the amphibious role. Thinking of things like BALTOPS, how does having two LDS(A)s as well an LPD increase the size of the force that can be landed and supported - in percentage terms.
 

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'No plans' to decommission HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark early - UK Defence Journal

Luke Pollard, Shadow Minister FOR Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, asked via a written question:

“To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, whether he plans to vary the published out of service dates for (a) HMS Albion and (b) HMS Bulwark.”

James Heappey, the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Defence Procurement, responded:

“There are currently no plans to vary the published out of service dates for HMS Albion and Bulwark. They remain 2033 and 2034 respectively.”
 
According to the RN website, one of the Batch 2 River class OPVs will deploy to the Caribbean later this year to relieve RFA Mounts Bay, which will be available for the amphibious role. Thinking of things like BALTOPS, how does having two LDS(A)s as well an LPD increase the size of the force that can be landed and supported - in percentage terms.
Well that will be a Surprise to RFA Argus who are meant to be going out there. And Mounts will be available for nothing more than a major Refit sadly.
 

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Her refit will not last forever.....

This is interesting - Commander Littoral Strike Group (previously known as COMATG - amphibious task group so why the name change?) staff have been holding discussions on the future role of the carriers in support Littoral Maneuvere..


Another good reason for building large ships with large decks.
 
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Although this is an LPD centered thread, this may be a taste of the future - small scale raids at company (or below) level:

Commandos raid alongside Norwegian Stealth ship in the Arctic

Royal Marines raided the Arctic coastline and secured a vital landing point for supply lines working alongside a Norwegian stealth missile ship.

The exercise in the fjords of northern Norway saw marines of Plymouth-based 47 Commando, the small boat raiding specialists of 3 Commando Brigade, work closely with Norwegian counterparts and their stealth corvette.

Elite commandos were dropped ashore by the Skjold Class Corvette, which has a low radar signature, ship-busting missiles and is able to speed through the water at up to around 70mph.

Once ashore, a reconnaissance team from 47 Commando were tasked to secure a keying landing point, allowing for resupply to flow through a ‘contested’ area.


“The range, stealth and firepower of the Corvette aligns perfectly with the Future Commando Force Operating Model that the Royal Marines are moving towards,” said Captain Jack Denniss, Operations Officer of 539 Raiding Squadron.
 

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Does the UK still wish to commit amphibious forces to NATO's Northern flank?

Norwegians join Royal Marines in Fjord Raids

47 Commando are currently deployed in northern Norway, at the fjord at Hellarbogen. They are preparing for Norwegian-led NATO war games, Exercise Cold Response, later this month alongside 45 Commando, 30 Commando Information Exploitation Group and other Royal Marines units.

Where are the LCVPs operating from?
 

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Does the UK still wish to commit amphibious forces to NATO's Northern flank?

Norwegians join Royal Marines in Fjord Raids

47 Commando are currently deployed in northern Norway, at the fjord at Hellarbogen. They are preparing for Norwegian-led NATO war games, Exercise Cold Response, later this month alongside 45 Commando, 30 Commando Information Exploitation Group and other Royal Marines units.

Where are the LCVPs operating from?
Not at lot of volunteers to do it?
 
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Preparations for Exercise Cold Response continue....

A UK-Netherlands Amphibious Task Group as part of Cold Response is centred around amphibious ships HMS Albion and HNLMS Johan De Witt.

From there, raids by Royal Marines and allied forces will be launched onto the Norwegian coastline.

Captain Philip Dennis, who is deployed on Johan Witt as Deputy Commander Amphibious Task Force, said: “Embarking helicopters, Royal Marines, sailors, soldiers and Air Force personnel supported from NATO allies across two highly capable amphibious warships proves we have the capability to deploy globally in support of our partners and allies, while our ability to operate in extreme conditions proves our resilience and flexibility.

“This exercise is also supporting the development of our Future Commando Force capabilities that will harness future innovations and technological developments that have recently become available to take forward on to the battlefield.”

Commando Helicopter Force Merlins of 845 Naval Air Squadron flew from their RNAS Yeovilton home to Johan De Witt, where they will be flying sorties from during the exercises.
 

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HMS Albion Shows Versatility In Norway

The Royal Navy’s flagship is currently off the Norwegian coastline, deep inside the Arctic Circle, and has carried commandos, their specialist vehicles and equipment ahead of amphibious landings as part of demanding winter exercises.

She has embarked Royal Marines conducting shore raids, loaded Vikings onto her vehicle deck and invited trial teams on board to test the latest drone technology as part of Future Commando Force experimentation.

After a brief stop in Stavanger, where she gathered with Type 23 frigate HMS Sutherland, survey ship HMS Echo, and Dutch ship HNLMS Johan de Witt, HMS Albion sailed north where temperatures can reach -30C.

In the freezing conditions, the amphibious transport warship embarked Royal Marines of 45 Commando to undertake wader training – drills that ensure forces can move from the ship to shore rapidly using landing craft or helicopters.

Her expansive loading dock means she can take on board a variety of vehicles and equipment needed by commandos to operate in the region.
 

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HMS Albion returned to Guzz yesterday after a successful exercise, during which time there which time a number of experiments took place, including UAV trials and autonomous craft recovering into her well dock.

Meanwhile, although I am not sure where I read it, there has been a suggestion the the Littoral Strike Ship concept is being abandoned in favour of a large multi role vessel, which can perform some of the roles of an RFA but also has a well dock for landing craft, a flight deck (and hangar?), self defence weapons, and command and control facilities.

That sounds similar to an LPD!
 

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The article is here: Plans for LSS and FSSS vessels may be scrapped in favour of MRSS

The ELLIDA concept is a 195m multi-role support and logistics vessel designed to provide the capabilities needed in “future global operations, offering the flexibility of a large hull, with internal vehicle and stowage decks, weather deck stowage and additional accommodation”.

It has the utility to transport and deliver troops, vehicles, equipment and supplies from anywhere in the world in support of amphibious warfare and littoral manoeuvre. Its mix of ship-to-shore offloading and logistics capabilities allow support to naval operations through landing craft, boat operations, multi-spot aviation and replenishment at sea.
 
The article is here: Plans for LSS and FSSS vessels may be scrapped in favour of MRSS

The ELLIDA concept is a 195m multi-role support and logistics vessel designed to provide the capabilities needed in “future global operations, offering the flexibility of a large hull, with internal vehicle and stowage decks, weather deck stowage and additional accommodation”.

It has the utility to transport and deliver troops, vehicles, equipment and supplies from anywhere in the world in support of amphibious warfare and littoral manoeuvre. Its mix of ship-to-shore offloading and logistics capabilities allow support to naval operations through landing craft, boat operations, multi-spot aviation and replenishment at sea.
It's halfwit central, currently resident in Tracy Island.

This is the brainchild of a certain 3* sundodger who has hit upon the idea of raiding the only extant budget (FSS) to keep going with the LSS and one or two other capabilities. This is justified by the suggestion that WestLant 18 & 19 mean that the RN now understands exactly what support Carrier Strike will require, despite both deployments being staged out of Norfolk Va and only having a slack handful of cabs aboard, with weapons expenditure purely for trials.

Trouble is, a cursory look at the dimensional, cargo type and quantity numbers tells you that combining FSS with LSS is a blind alley. The arrangement issues are incompatible and you'll end up with a ship that plummets between two stools and jeopardises Carrier Strike. There also seems to be a belief that a 2.5te RAS system will be all that's needed. Shame it will probably invalidate the Explosive Safety Case for QEC. Never mind eh?

LSS is best based on a redesigned Bay, with a sensible propulsion system and a none-tent based hangar.

ETA Given current spending, all budgets are largely fictional from this point anyway, obviously.
 
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An equivalent of FCF/LSS was done by parts of the US Military in under 120 days.

we’re now 14+ months and still nowt but PowerPoint and unicorn farts...
 
It's halfwit central, currently resident in Tracy Island.

This is the brainchild of a certain 3* sundodger who has hit upon the idea of raiding the only extant budget (FSS) to keep going with the LSS and one or two other capabilities. This is justified by the suggestion that WestLant 18 & 19 mean that the RN now understands exactly what support Carrier Strike will require, despite both deployments being staged out of Norfolk Va and only having a slack handful of cabs aboard, with weapons expenditure purely for trials.

Trouble is, a cursory look at the dimensional, cargo type and quantity numbers tells you that combining FSS with LSS is a blind alley. The arrangement issues are incompatible and you'll end up with a ship that plummets between two stools and jeopardises Carrier Strike. There also seems to be a belief that a 2.5te RAS system will be all that's needed. Shame it will probably invalidate the Explosive Safety Case for QEC. Never mind eh?

LSS is best based on a redesigned Bay, with a sensible propulsion system and a none-tent based hangar.
You cannot make it up and it shows the RN and RFA has got no idea about operational and strategic logistics any longer. The farce that has gone in the gulf in the last year has shown the dire need for a solid support ship but as the naval service got away with it in January they are just jogging on regardless.

It's fine we have a nice shiny base in Bahrain (that can't hold very much) and we can fly anything in on the KITS flights (maybe twice a week but not at all right now) why worry.....

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An equivalent of FCF/LSS was done by parts of the US Military in under 120 days.

we’re now 14+ months and still nowt but PowerPoint and unicorn farts...
To be fair they are apparently shite...

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An equivalent of FCF/LSS was done by parts of the US Military in under 120 days.

we’re now 14+ months and still nowt but PowerPoint and unicorn farts...
Last I heard, there wasn't even a developed requirement for LSS. To be fair to them, they're trying to derive a permanent piece of force structure AND change the role of a significant formed unit, with all that entails. The US one (I assume it's Ocean Trader) was done lo-pro for a specific mission with their special people. Makes it easier to do in terms of approvals etc.

LSDA has nearly all the facilities needed. Not so smart selling Largs Bay now....
 
I want FCF/LSS to work - it's bold, it's right for the UK, it's exciting for the Corps.

But my goodness they've been left hanging now that Gavlar is gone. It's devolved into a classic procurement process, where getting approval for anything is an indeterminate round of notes and delayed decisions.

Can't help but feel the Corps is about to do a Wily E Coyote and suddenly realise the presence of gravity.

Meep meep.
 

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