The Royal Marines amphibious role ?

Yokel

LE
It would be interesting to know if it was a control service being provided or if it was just procedural support; there’s a difference.



I think NATO AWACS were playing.

Regards,
MM
AWACS being present or not, it was still useful to prove that capability. The more platforms that can increases flexibility - hopefully also a worthwhile exercise for the Typhoons. I also think either support or control would be a new thing for an LPD.
 
AWACS being present or not, it was still useful to prove that capability. The more platforms that can increases flexibility - hopefully also a worthwhile exercise for the Typhoons. I also think either support or control would be a new thing for an LPD.
I don’t doubt it was useful; I’ve just never come across an LPD being a control unit.

Regards,
MM
 

Yokel

LE
All too complex for my I am afraid - but an LPD does have good communications and a high mast for the radar.

Of the other LPD:
I was unsure if the best place for this story was this thread or the carrier one, as it talks about Junglies getting used to operating at and from the sea:

Marine aviators on Baltic mission | Royal Navy

“The return to amphibious operations has provided the aircrew with many challenges, however it has shown that we are capable of deploying as an effective tailored air group in this role,” said Lieutenant Dominic Savage of 847 Naval Air Squadron, which flies Wildcats.

The regeneration of Commando Helicopter Force is not yet complete – Merlin Mk4s are still being handed over to replace the older Mk3s – but it is well on track to be fully ready for operations in all environments and scenarios as planned by 2023.

“The transformation with all our new aircraft is really going well,” said Royal Marines Colonel Steve Hussey MBE, Commanding Officer CHF.
“We’re about two thirds of the way through transition, and it’s been quite challenging, but the aircraft coming in are magnificent. Commando Merlin has delivered everything we could have asked for.”

The next major test for the Yeovilton-based force comes in the new year when it conducts its annual winter training in Norway and participates in NATO’s large-scale Cold Response exercise demonstrating how the alliance defends Europe’s northern flank against aggressors; the CHF helicopters are to base themselves on Dutch vessels
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“It will be demanding but an excellent and challenging time and we will rise to the occasion,” Colonel Hussey added.




 
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Yokel

LE
This is an interesting graphic:



I got a warning telling me it was on SNAFU Solomon - a site that is discredited. However, it apparently came from a RAND study. Yes I know some of those ships double a STOVL carriers!

NATO and partner amphibious forces in Europe

The above graph is from a Rand Report commissioned by the USMC to determine (I believe..can't find it right now) the composition and C&C possibilities from the NATO/Partner Amphibious Force.

The threat was Russia, but the conclusion should be obvious.

NATO and its partners have enough amphibious force projection capability to defend everything from Central to Northern Europe with the added bonus of going from defensive to offensive operations with relative ease.

Note too that this is just the amphibious force.
 
This is an interesting graphic:



I got a warning telling me it was on SNAFU Solomon - a site that is discredited. However, it apparently came from a RAND study. Yes I know some of those ships double a STOVL carriers!

NATO and partner amphibious forces in Europe

The above graph is from a Rand Report commissioned by the USMC to determine (I believe..can't find it right now) the composition and C&C possibilities from the NATO/Partner Amphibious Force.

The threat was Russia, but the conclusion should be obvious.

NATO and its partners have enough amphibious force projection capability to defend everything from Central to Northern Europe with the added bonus of going from defensive to offensive operations with relative ease.

Note too that this is just the amphibious force.
So long as they aren’t otherwise engaged
 

Yokel

LE
Or laid up in extended readiness.
Cheap shot! But at the same time true. If only that idiot Cameron (I do not care if he studied PPE) had not wimped out of slight cuts to Army numbers in 2015 and allowed about 1500 extra people for both the RN and RAF. That would make a huge difference to both services, particularly when they have to regenerated capabilities that had been cut. Those cuts had been used to justift a slash n' burn approach to cutting personnel numbers.

Noe carriers are back in town, the fleet is trying to do more. MPA capability is returning and the Typhoons/F-35Bs/RPVs/ISTAR force are rather busy, and the RN has to find the manpower for Batch 2 RCOPVs it never really wanted, and the Batch 1s are being retained.

Paging @Magic_Mushroom!
 

Riga

War Hero
Cheap shot! But at the same time true. If only that idiot Cameron (I do not care if he studied PPE) had not wimped out of slight cuts to Army numbers in 2015 and allowed about 1500 extra people for both the RN and RAF. That would make a huge difference to both services, particularly when they have to regenerated capabilities that had been cut. Those cuts had been used to justift a slash n' burn approach to cutting personnel numbers.

Noe carriers are back in town, the fleet is trying to do more. MPA capability is returning and the Typhoons/F-35Bs/RPVs/ISTAR force are rather busy, and the RN has to find the manpower for Batch 2 RCOPVs it never really wanted, and the Batch 1s are being retained.

Paging @Magic_Mushroom!
It was not a cheap shot at all, you saw the state of the amphib that was taken out ER cost more than a stay at an American hospital, speaking of America and one of RFAs is out there and what provides mother to the Gulf MCMS?

I really detest the Cons describing themselves as the party of defence. In Colombo today my p.ss is boiling.
 

Yokel

LE
Alright it is an open goal rather than a cheap shot!

Of the three RFA Bay class LSD(A), one is in the Caribbean. Hopefully one of the Batch 2 OPVs will replace her for at least some of the year. As you also say another in in the Arabian Gulf in support of the MCM force - providing logistic support, command and control facilities, a flight deck, and somewhere from which to operate small craft and diving teams.

Hopefully the one in the Caribbean will be returned to COMATG and UK based/NATO tasking1
 

Yokel

LE
Is NATO the only player in the amphibious game? Or indeed other free democratic countries? No!

Foreign Marines descend on Russia

It's a long way from the Caribbean, the South China Sea and the Gulf but Venezuela, China and Iran landed marines on the Baltic coast this month for a round of war games hosted by Russia, which has fostered defence ties with all three countries.

They showed off their stuff in the sand and water of a test range in the Kaliningrad region
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Four countries committed to:

Peace and Stability?
The international rules based system?
Democracy?
Human rights?
Minority Rights?

Why is the Islamic Republic of Iran exercising with the People's Republic of China, when President Xi has over a million Yighur Muslims in re-education camps? Wrong type of Muslims?



 
Why is the Islamic Republic of Iran exercising with the People's Republic of China, when President Xi has over a million Yighur Muslims in re-education camps? Wrong type of Muslims?
Because Iran is predominantly Shia, Uighurs are mostly Sunni...and good relations with Beijing is more important to Tehran than a Muslim minority in the Chinese hinterlands.

Regards,
MM
 

Yokel

LE
Because Iran is predominantly Shia, Uighurs are mostly Sunni...and good relations with Beijing is more important to Tehran than a Muslim minority in the Chinese hinterlands.

Regards,
MM
A WAFU once posted on PPRuNe that the Information Operations people frequently missed opportunities to show that the West is not at war with the Islamic world, and that Daesh/ISIL/whatever are just a bunch of murderous thugs.

Is this an opportunity to show that the current Iranian regime seeks to use Islam as a fig leaf for nationalism and power lust?

The useful idiots seem to be keen on promoting some sort of anti Western counter narrative that democratic nations are always aggressors, but dictators (and those that tend towards dictatorship) really care about people.

Does any really think like would be better under the current Russian, Chinese, Iranian, or Venezuelan regimes?
 
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...Is this an opportunity to show that the current Iranian regime seeks to use Islam as a fig leaf for nationalism and power lust?...
Quite a few Islamic nations don't even really consider Iran Islamic, instead referring to them as 'f****** Persians'!

Amusingly, the Iranians didn't help neighbourhood understanding when the Emir of Qatar went falcon hunting in the Iranian desert some years back. The IRGC stopped and questioned the group when they found them in the desert. Then, having found the relevant permits were not quite complete, promptly confiscated and destroyed the Emir's most prized falcons!

True story!

Regards,
MM
 

Yokel

LE
Quite a few Islamic nations don't even really consider Iran Islamic, instead referring to them as 'f****** Persians'!

Amusingly, the Iranians didn't help neighbourhood understanding when the Emir of Qatar went falcon hunting in the Iranian desert some years back. The IRGC stopped and questioned the group when they found them in the desert. Then, having found the relevant permits were not quite complete, promptly confiscated and destroyed the Emir's most prized falcons!

True story!

Regards,
MM
Perhaps this shows why the West needs to be careful - apart from the Shia/Sunni conflict there is historical acrimony between Arabs and Persians. The Persians were a great civilisation and I if wonder memories of glories long past fuel their view of outsiders?

Anyway, shall we try to get back on thread? Do you think last years Saif Sareea III exercise in Oman, with an amphibious (and mine countermeasures etc) did anything to reassure regional allies and deter aggressors?

Unfortunately it took place at the same time as Trident Juncture, so we had to put our Bootnecks in an American ship, but she was escorted by two Type 23s for ASW and extended point (AAW) defence, and there was a UK mine countermeasures group.

WestLant 18 was also taking place. No wonder a senior RN bod described the 2018 UK exercise programming as a 'car crash'!
 
Do you think last years Saif Sareea III exercise in Oman, with an amphibious (and mine countermeasures etc) did anything to reassure regional allies and deter aggressors?
Regrettably, I'd say not in the slightest. I fear that observers (friend and foe) would've been far more likely to compare it to SSII and note the marked decline in our capacity.

Regards,
MM
 
Quite a few Islamic nations don't even really consider Iran Islamic, instead referring to them as 'f****** Persians'!

Amusingly, the Iranians didn't help neighbourhood understanding when the Emir of Qatar went falcon hunting in the Iranian desert some years back. The IRGC stopped and questioned the group when they found them in the desert. Then, having found the relevant permits were not quite complete, promptly confiscated and destroyed the Emir's most prized falcons!

True story!

Regards,
MM
There's a fascinating article out on the web about how some of the Qatari Royal Family were kidnapped by ISIS in western Iraq. They ended up paying out a very large bribe to get them back...
 
There's a fascinating article out on the web about how some of the Qatari Royal Family were kidnapped by ISIS in western Iraq. They ended up paying out a very large bribe to get them back...
I believe that was back in 2015...and kept very quiet by the Emirate at the time!

Regards,
MM
 

Yokel

LE
Regrettably, I'd say not in the slightest. I fear that observers (friend and foe) would've been far more likely to compare it to SSII and note the marked decline in our capacity.

Regards,
MM
I agree (unfortunately), but HMS Albion was on her way back from the Far East and could not take part in Trident Juncture, NATO commitments meant we could send frigates to Oman, and we could send a carrier to neither as.....

Albion did act as the command platform (and much else) for the recent BALTOPS, I think WestLant19 is our major task group deployment this year,

Apart being smaller, our forces have all sorts of NATO commitments these days. In 2001 Putin was behaving himself. The public seem to be having trouble to adjusting to the idea that the post Cold War consensus is over.
 
I agree (unfortunately), but HMS Albion was on her way back from the Far East and could not take part in Trident Juncture, NATO commitments meant we could send frigates to Oman...
All of which indicates how thin the butter is spread.

The UK now has to choose between credibly discharging NATO or global commitments; it can't do both.

Regards,
MM
 

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