The Royal British Legion and NI Veterans

#1
Found this on another site, perhaps the legion are becoming a bit detached from the rest..............

Patron: Simon Weston OBE
The Northern Ireland Veterans Association
PO Box 318
St. Helens
WA10 4WZ
www.nivets.co.uk
Email: media@nivets.co.uk

Earlier this year, The Northern Ireland Veterans Association (NIVA) applied to the Royal British Legion for permission to participate in the Cenotaph parade in Whitehall.
We have recently been informed by TRBL that, after consideration, we will not be eligible to march as an association, as part of the Military Contingent because our membership spans both military and civilian applicants.
As an association we feel that we are being discriminated against, we are aware that other organisations with membership similar to ours are entitled to march with the military contingent on the parade as are widows and relatives of servicemen that form part of other organisations.
It is worth pointing out that the non-military organisations, which form part of our membership, are the PSNI, NIPS and other 999 services that served under the crown during the conflict. They are uniformed service’s and are, we feel, as entitled as any serviceman to march alongside the ‘veterans’ from previous campaigns in order to remember their comrades.
www.nivets.co.uk
 
#2
As long as the Bevan Boys, Fire Brigades and London Transport don't march you have nothing to complain about.

Its not as if around 1800 (?) squaddies have been killed over there, for farks sake...

I think the Legion have got this wrong, but only very wrong.
 

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#3
No worries - it only took the Suez vets, (my old man was one,) FIFTY years for recognition. :evil:

But think about it - in 2019 we could be marching 'alongside' the terrs ! (If Comrade Blur and his Godless Communist Horde have anything to do with it.)

But that could be the start of a good scrap ! It'd sort the cowardly chicken-shite murderers out from the men who stood in uniform. A bit like Suez......


Interesting to hear any Septic comments - being as they've put their oar into both situations.
 
#5
BlotBangRub said:
What the NI veterans object to is the fact that the have for years been refused permission to take part in such events, when the rules have been bent for others. Classic example is the festival of remembrance at the Royal Albert Hall. Not allowed as some of the members are RUC GC, therefore"civvies" who are on par with miners accroding to some here and then they invite the bloody NYPD because the USA suddenly finds out that terrorists are not nice people.
Thank you, most of us were not even aware of this issue. It seems entirely appropriate that the NI Vets association should include RUC.
 
#6
The Korean War Veterans are allowed to march in the Remembrance Sunday parade as a contingent in their own right, so why not the NI vets?
 
#7
possibly because the RBL is out of touch and is run by old senile colonel blimp types would come to mind.
i have come across some of the nicest people in the RBL but i also have come across the most officous pompous cnut , in my day job(postman), i come across quite a few of them who moan about the slightest thing, Gates, type of letters, time of delivery and i can only give them the comtempt they deserve. i have wound many of them up delibratly hoping they would die of a cardiac arrest :twisted:
i however have respect and time for those who really deserve it and many of them have been there, done that, been wounded, got medals for it and didn't need to shout about it. quiet dignity is to be seen to believed.
 
#8
Have to agree with Semper there. Having left the Army in 94 and being mostly overseas, although with a home base in NI, I've had such trouble getting membership through pure, unwatered and bloody-minded bureaucracy that I gave up about six years ago. That said, I'm sure things have changed and I can get it done in 30 seconds online now, but it still left a very bad impression of incompetence, so, demotivated, I left it all to them and got on with my own thing. I can't see anything whatsoever wrong with the application from the organisation in question; I was under the impression that it was all about Remembrance, not stupid pride.
 
#10
had a discussion with a DC with regards to taking cadets out for a parade on remembrance day , just found out his affiliated RBL don't want cadets parading with them however they would like the cadets to wait on tables afterward in Uniform. :evil: Cheeky cnuts if i was in his position i would tell them to go and fcuk themselves as well. so consequently it seems the cadets will not be parading. the cadets will be dissapointed
it makes my piss. boil :evil:
 
#11
There are some good people in the Legion; I occasionally refer people to their full-time HQ welfare people. However, the impression I get at local level is that many think that the Legion is only for WW2 veterans and their families.

It's a shame - the Legion should have much to offer, not least as a lobbying organisation to press government in matters pertaining to ex-servicemen. I'm aware that they do this already, but the mouse needs to turn into a lion.
 
#12
RBL don't want cadets parading with them
I wonder if the RBL have ever thought that maybe the Cadets don't want to parade with them ?
 
#13
There was a similar situation in Australia in the '70s/'80s and '90s with Vietnam Veterans not gaining support or real acceptance by the RBL equivalent in Australia, the RSL. This changed rapidly when the Vietnam Vets organised themselves into a more coherant organisation that confronted the old thinking. This was accelerated with changes at the top of the RSL when newly retired senior officers took over senior RSL appointments and introduced change.

My point here is co-ordinate the grassroots but also work on the one or two influencial senior RBL leaders.
 
#16
BlotBangRub said:
Did you watch tonight's festival from the Albert Hall?

I enjoyed it, but specific to this subject you can see how the NI veterans Association get well miffed about being refused permission to attend? They are not allowed, as according to the Legion they are not classified as a military organisation because they have as well as service persons, members of the RUC and the Northern Ireland Prison Service, and yet I watched tonight's show, which contained, as usual members of such branches of the "Armed Forces" as the London Fire Brigade, the Merchant Navy, and the St John's Ambulance.(and the bloody Army cadets) Now I am not criticising these fine organisations, just the hypocrisy that allows them to take part every year and then says that the NI veterans cannot because there are some Peelers in it (probably missing limbs, eyes, and certainly comrades)

Ridiculous, the Legion is out of touch.

If anyone has any influence over them, make this case.
Yes BBR, having heard about this issue from you before I was briefly in tourette mode while watching these fine contingents march on, but are the other campaign organisations specifically represented at the Festival (Burma Star etc)?
 
#18
The Merchant Navy are there because of their convoy work in the world wars. St John's association wih the military is a long one as well.

That said, the RUC and NIPS are just as deserving and should most certainly be included. The RBL's continued refusal to permit them to join in is inexplicable and illogical. The government are keen not to remind people of the NI 'troubles' and Bliar's policy of appeasing terrorists - quiet deals in smoke filled rooms, anyone?
 
#19
If anyone has any doubt if the Merchant Navy should be represented

Just google "PQ 17"
 
#20
BlotBangRub said:
I don't know, but this is not just another campaign organisation, as it encompasses civilian members (Police and Prison Officers) as well as Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines, so we cannot make a direct comparison, and that is not the reason given anyway. They refuse because of the civilian element, and then let the Merchant Navy, and the St Johns Ambulance attend. This is a disgrace.

I am also informed that (although I must have missed it) let the NYPD attend a few years ago.

I am going right off the legion.
OK so there is no case to have the NI veterans take part as a specific campaign organisation. The case is really for the RUC and Prison Officers to take part. I can see the difficulties in widening the representation in that way. The NI Veterans whether military or police deserve every respect, and I am sorry that they feel slighted by what they see as an anomaly.
 

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