The Rise of the Centrist

Hector is one of those people who sees all the evils of the world embodied in the obvious suspect countries and simply fails to see how those countries became so hateful(Russia/Iran), or powerful(China) and how much its all so pointless to argue over.

The universal conspiracy has always existed and its who controls the wealth, how its managed and shared, then critically how the have nots are dealt with. Anarchy arrives when the people wholly turn against their masters of the universe and burn down the temples. Its simply my view, that the greedy have in recent times hit upon a system of control, whose inevitable end point is Authoritarianism, bordering on totalitarianism.

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Its my view transparency and sovereign nations making direct democracy decisions. It will destroy the present system of control and restore, renew democracy and yes make mistakes but we make them collectively and the lies of omission and institutions will be forced back to the majority will of what is truth.
Hector is someone who can see that the obvious suspects are obvious because they obviously ARE malignant players who want an autocratic World.

EMCON has a long record of rendering slavish obedience to authority alongside a crassly muddled deism very similar to the choke- chained Russian Orthodox Church's obedience to the State.

Every time he writes about "universal conspiracies controlling the wealth" I mentally slot in the word "Jews" , and then you simply have someone who has the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as bedtime reading.

He is all in favour of stable, choking totalitarianism. I'm not, because I believe in democracy and the rule of law.
If his ISP was in Moscow I wouldn't be surprised.
 
Sure there's debate over where we sit on the political spectrum - most of us have elements of left & right leaning within us (some more than others) but I'd take a stab at a mob of machete wielding blokes sit rather comfortably in the "far right".

That particular mob of blokes, aye. In this country, I'd suggest that most of the violent unrest in recent years has been committed by the Left-leaning.

What he says above. Sadly the difference on how the political and media class treat each side is also distinctly different which is exacerbating the divide. Both side produce a cohort of the moronic and thuggishness ideologues, I would suggest the scale is larger on the left than the right. Cities and towns in America in 2020 were not razed to the ground by rioting stupid white supremacist mongs. CNN reporting has become quite the meme around its description of such as 'most peaceful protest'

So in simplistic terms, Communism considered 'ok' Che Guevara T-shirt a plenty but, Fascism, Polo shirt, short back and sides with either a Union Jack or England badge, 'bad'.

Thus go to protest, wearing a 'Che Guevara T-shirt' and your pretty much left alone, go to protest 'Polo shirt, short back and sides with either a Union Jack or England badge' and your motives at protesting are given a secondary narrative. Now of course that is both a mahhosive simplification and generalisation. The media and political opportunists makes its money exacerbating a narrative not reality.

The double standards are at times breathtaking, and not just within the Political media class, but amongst those who you would think to be clear thinking people. As many well know I have no time for lefty communist types or right wing zealots.

But sadly how many within the centre will go along with disparaging the BNP and the like as disgusting and deserving of being no platformed, while not treating the Socialist workers party and the like to the same standards. I despise both but as the laws of the land stand they both have a right to protest and speak in public. Neither have a right to undertake violent protesting, in the name of counter protesting

The very fact in saying that opens my comments up to being considered supportive of the extreme right, to the bad actors of not only the left but sadly also the centre... Its sad that the many in the centre agree with what I have stated, but are cowed in part to say it out loud. The whole 'silent majority' thing, but who are then claimed by the left as thus being broadly supportive of the cause.

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To confect a perceived intolerance from a legitimate comment is a typical trolling tactic of the left.
Why select "anyone" at all?
 
Hector is someone who can see that the obvious suspects are obvious because they obviously ARE malignant players who want an autocratic World.

EMCON has a long record of rendering slavish obedience to authority alongside a crassly muddled deism very similar to the choke- chained Russian Orthodox Church's obedience to the State.

Every time he writes about "universal conspiracies controlling the wealth" I mentally slot in the word "Jews" , and then you simply have someone who has the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as bedtime reading.

He is all in favour of stable, choking totalitarianism. I'm not, because I believe in democracy and the rule of law.
If his ISP was in Moscow I wouldn't be surprised.
Ah, the straw man has being finally raised...... In truth, your recipe to save democracy is to argue everything is fine and its the 'others' who are the problem and those evil populist shills working for the rogue nations. You were right on one thing and that's my Christian faith taught me to look at myself first and not seek to blame others.

Democracy is being slowly driven to the brink of crisis, because capitalism isn't just global trade, but global governance and the ruling classes who control all the capital are operating beyond democracy and controlling the politics below them and you seem entirely oblivious to it.

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What's changed from the 19th century is the ruling class themselves no longer believe they're are citizens of the state and are beyond simple minded ideas like patriotism, or community with some random place in cumbria but are citizens of the world.
 
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Boris_Johnson

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@Cold_Collation @halo_jones absolutely - the biggest examples of people taking to the streets in the UK has exposed a huge double-standard in our media.

I too had to laugh at the "mostly peaceful protests" line pumped out by the US MSM - somebody had compiled a clip on YouTube of reporters spouting that very line with burning buildings behind them and projectiles being thrown; it would have been comical had it not been real life (like that Naked Gun scene where Frank Drebbin is waving his arms in front of a fireworks factory on fire and exploding, shouting "move along, nothing to see here!")

But we've already established, large parts of MSM aren't Centrist in their production, which is strange when you consider the BBC in particular, often gets accused of being the Tory media machine by the left and vice-versa.

I think where the Beeb falls down though, is that it's politics may well be balanced (and fair play they certainly published many negative dits on both Keir Starmer and JC in the past) but they subscribe to "wokery" in all its forms, attempting to shoehorn diversity* into everything they do.

Another good thing, who doesn't love a bit of diversity? Well - when you're funded by the public (who are under (eventual) threat of jail to pay) - that same public don't take well to that funded org creating an appointment costing in excess of £230,000 a year for "Director of Creative Diversity" and spending £100m on diversity project when:

A. It's license payers' money

And more importantly:

B. They're already more diverse than the society they claim to represent.

And this is where I think the lines between left/right woke/alt-right become blurred and people (the general eye-rolling public) switch off and their minds simply bundle it into the same pigeon hole.

Going back to the civil unrest - you'll find there have been many protests from both sides (anti-vax considered right wing, anti-lockdown who knows, anti-immigration at Dover, Penally etc) but again the way the MSM reacts to these is also very telling. You'd never even realise there had been unless you were either there or had searched for it on YouTube.


*BBC diversity seems to be anything but. You wonder why Gary Lineker started tweeting woke stuff a few years ago? People think he's a bit of a knob - I think he's a genius. If I was on over £1.3m a year and my organisation wanted to replace all the old gammons with young ethnic people, I'd turn up to work next day in BLM combats, a rainbow face mask and a whole load of unproveable mental health conditions. Just to be on the safe side :thumleft:

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Themanwho

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Democracy is being slowly driven to the brink of crisis, because capitalism isn't just global trade, but global governance and the ruling classes who control all the capital are operating beyond democracy and controlling the politics below them and you seem entirely oblivious to it.

You have in part a valid point but. It's not capitalism per se rather it is some who are within the capitalist system they do not so much represent capitalism, rather more it's the elitist international globalism faction. The is no real equivalent written core doctrine within capitalism. At best it is perhaps a broad agreement that private property rights and free trade being protected in law as core.

Capitalism, is not inherently either good or evil rather it is a process, unlike communism and allied doctrinal political systems. Controlling the capital is not contained within only one class. There is the ability to control capital regardless of being rich or poor, clearly those with money to burn can do so freely and with less consequence than some one living hand to mouth.

I have always thought of say the stock market and the like as posh betting shops, those who trade within it are typically no different from the 'working class' who use the bookies.

Capitalism, unlike a controlled central economy, can be seen equally as fractured and thus working against itself, as it can be seen as an overarching monopoly of the elite.

That said there is a a case to made that some within the Capitalist system are working to game democracy and the political system for the purpose of if not controlling then trying to bend it to its will.
 
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What's changed from the 19th century is the ruling class themselves no longer believe they're are citizens of the state and are beyond simple minded ideas like patriotism, or community with some random place in cumbria but are citizens of the world.

This indeed... it's the anywhere and somewhere thing.
 
This indeed... it's the anywhere and somewhere thing.

And therein lies the true danger - arguably, a western global elite with what is starting to become a unifying quasi-religious philosophy (Progressivism), but no commensurate global democracy in the physical sense to hold it in check. If anything, democracy operates on increasingly national lines.

This was exactly what led to the Reformation and why the reaction to it was so savage. The western philosophical elite of the time, the Church, had turned Christianity into an an Authoritarian orthodoxy which enshrined the power and privilege of said elite. The Reformation threatened to democratise the process and thereby challenge the basis on which the elite held their power and privilege....
 
@Cold_Collation @halo_jones absolutely - the biggest examples of people taking to the streets in the UK has exposed a huge double-standard in our media.

I too had to laugh at the "mostly peaceful protests" line pumped out by the US MSM - somebody had compiled a clip on YouTube of reporters spouting that very line with burning buildings behind them and projectiles being thrown; it would have been comical had it not been real life (like that Naked Gun scene where Frank Drebbin is waving his arms in front of a fireworks factory on fire and exploding, shouting "move along, nothing to see here!")

But we've already established, large parts of MSM are Centrist in their production, which is strange when you consider the BBC in particular, often gets accused of being the Tory media machine by the left.

I think where the Beeb falls down though, is that it's politics may well be balanced (and fair play they certainly published many negative dits on both Keir Starmer and JC in the past) but they subscribe to "wokery" in all its forms, attempting to shoehorn diversity* into everything they do.

Another good thing, who doesn't love a bit of diversity? Well - when you're funded by the public (who are under (eventual) threat of jail to pay) - that same public don't take well to that funded org creating an appoint med costing in excess of £230,000 a year for "Director of Creative Diversity" and spending £100m on diversity project when:

A. It's license payers' money
B. They're already more diverse than the society you claim to represent.

And this is where I think the lines between left/right woke/alt-right become blurred and people (the general eye-rolling public) switch off and their minds simply bundle it into the same pigeon hole.

Going back to the civil unrest - you'll find there have been many protests from both sides (anti-vax considered right wing, anti-lockdown who knows, anti-immigration at Dover, Penally etc) but again the way the MSM reacts to these is also very telling. You'd never even realise there had been unless you were either there or had searched for it on YouTube.


*BBC diversity seems to be anything but. You wonder why Gary Lineker started tweeting woke stuff a few years ago? People think he's a bit of a knob - I think he's a genius. If I was on over £1.3m a year and my organisation wanted to replace all the old gammons with young ethnic people, I'd turn up to work next day in BLM combats, a rainbow face mask and a whole load of unproveable mental health conditions. Just to be on the safe side :thumleft:
The BBC like most of the other captured institutions are trapped. On the one hand, they're are obliged to report some of the facts and recognize the ugly reality of the world as it really is i.e. the majority really do still exist and I generally see most of the medias negative stories targeted directly at them in one way or another.. On the other hand, the positive stories are largely fixed to flow out of the 20% progressives world.

If we rejoined the EU tomorrow none of our problems would be fixed. But you could be certain the media would stop reporting them !
 

Boris_Johnson

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The BBC like most of the other captured institutions are trapped. On the one hand, they're are obliged to report some of the facts and recognize the ugly reality of the world as it really is i.e. the majority really do still exist and I generally see most of the medias negative stories targeted directly at them in one way or another.. On the other hand, the positive stories are largely fixed to flow out of the 20% progressives world.

If we rejoined the EU tomorrow none of our problems would be fixed. But you could be certain the media would stop reporting them !

To be honest with you, I think if the media was shut down tomorrow, 80% of "our" problems would vanish into thin air.
 
And therein lies the true danger - arguably, a western global elite with what is starting to become a unifying quasi-religious philosophy (Progressivism), but no commensurate global democracy in the physical sense to hold it in check. If anything, democracy operates on increasingly national lines.

This was exactly what led to the Reformation and why the reaction to it was so savage. The western philosophical elite of the time, the Church, had turned Christianity into an an Authoritarian orthodoxy which enshrined the power and privilege of said elite. The Reformation threatened to democratise the process and thereby challenge the basis on which the elite held their power and privilege....

Indeed and strikes me as time for the oft said, 'those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it'. In many ways this is what make me very cross when it come to the educated intellectual who predominantly make up the leadership within 'Governance and Societal Institutions. They seem to have squandered either their education or are so arrogant as to think those who came before them in history just where not as 'Smart' as they are.

I do sometimes think that university education as it has become over the decades is like 'casting pearls before swine', a terrible waste.
 
I'm confused.

If you make a cup of tea, do you not refer to it as such or is that simply a "label"?

Sure there's debate over where we sit on the political spectrum - most of us have elements of left & right leaning within us (some more than others) but I'd take a stab at a mob of machete wielding blokes sit rather comfortably in the "far right".

If they're neo Nazis surely they are far left like Hitler
 
To be honest with you, I think if the media was shut down tomorrow, 80% of "our" problems would vanish into thin air.

While agree with you, about canning 80%, rather that it shows how the news media has been in part 'captured', by the 'Bloody' long march through the institutions... the bit that really grinds my gears about the idealogical moron that fathered this tactic 'Antonio Gramsci' was not as much that he was an 'Italian Marxist philosopher, journalist, linguist, writer, and politician'. But he was Italian.

When ever I muse to myself 'why cant we have nice things...' It's because of the Bloody murderous ideolegy of communism and its socialist offshoots.
 
And therein lies the true danger - arguably, a western global elite with what is starting to become a unifying quasi-religious philosophy (Progressivism), but no commensurate global democracy in the physical sense to hold it in check. If anything, democracy operates on increasingly national lines.

This was exactly what led to the Reformation and why the reaction to it was so savage. The western philosophical elite of the time, the Church, had turned Christianity into an an Authoritarian orthodoxy which enshrined the power and privilege of said elite. The Reformation threatened to democratise the process and thereby challenge the basis on which the elite held their power and privilege....
Ideology vs State ? it was the big clash of arms for half a millennia and was won by the state. Now roll forward into the 21st Century and we're all stripped of any meaningful nationalism. Is it any wonder ideology is back in the driving seat?
 
To be honest with you, I think if the media was shut down tomorrow, 80% of "our" problems would vanish into thin air.
The right leaning media tells you the Labour Party and the Democrats are lying to us.
The left leaning media tells you the evil tories and the Republicans are lying to us.
The supposed balanced BBC tells you they're are all lying to us. But you can somehow believe a myriad of NGOs, universities and selected group of cognitively approved voices.

To be honest I would prefer the media returned to its roots(the gutter) and just print everything and the law protect them from the undemocratic speech laws slowly being codified in the background.
 
Ideology vs State ? it was the big clash of arms for half a millennia and was won by the state. Now roll forward into the 21st Century and we're all stripped of any meaningful nationalism. Is it any wonder ideology is back in the driving seat?

In the Christian world yes, although not in the Islamic, where ideology continues to dominate. Interestingly, the progressivists seem most interested in attacking the nation state and looking to dismantle it, rather than other ideologies, which it consciously avoids. I think this is why progressivism struggles theoretically with China, which is ideology and state rolled into one...
 
Society despite the best efforts of the 'stupid' to tell us otherwise, has a simple imperative need to be in some part nation state, have in some part a cohesive national identity, and in some part having common bonds that bind. As with everything the devil is in the detail, and the differing parts must balance out on the scales.

Again despite the best efforts of the 'stupid' to tell us otherwise, today's societal humans are not so far removed from being the societal humans who started basic tribal groupings, during the dawn of man.
 

Mr_Relaxed

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Look at the headline.

Now look at the text.

The former implies, actually, no, it states all the super wealthy only pay 20% tax.

The latter says that actually it’s only 10% of them.

As has been alluded to endlessly, and rightly in this thread, MSM at its very finest. It’s not as if the laughably titled “Independent” has an agenda now is it?

Details, hmmmm. Yeah. OK!
I think it’s The Guardian that’s ownership is based in the tax haven that is the Cayman Islands?

Rusbridger who was the editor, wrote a piece that explained why that was okay.
 

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