The Rise of the Centrist

I see myself as (libertarian) right-wing: small government, low taxes, self-sufficency, and self-responsibility (you can do what you want, as long as you don’t hurt anyone, accept the consequences of your actions, and don’t expect others to bale you out).

However, looking at a political spectrum quiz, I’m soft-left.
The whole left-right thing is much more complicated than a one-dimensional line.

I consider myself an old-school Liberal. Politically I'm generally centre-right on economic matters and centre-left on social ones.

Of course it's much more complicated than that in reality.
 

Sarastro

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Stop thinking of the centre as an opinion. The centre is where different opinions meet.
 

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Sounds good, but I'm far too Right-Wing for that malarkey.

I understand.

But here's the good news - experts say our personality is 50% conditional and 50% environmental.

Which means with time and effort no matter how far we lean to one side or the other, each and every one of us has the potential to become a brave and handsome centrist.

Keep the faith, brother. Start troughing those plant based burgers, get your nose into "Animal Rights monthly" and come join us.
 
I think if your average punter who can’t help but be inflammatory on Twitter tried it in a pub, then they’d suffer a short sharp shock. It’s the reason I still maintain that Twitter should require a credit card. Traceable? Think that might improve the level of public discourse.

A broken nose is a great leveler...
 
Stop thinking of the centre as an opinion. The centre is where different opinions meet.
Interesting concept and if we accept for arguments sake that whilst, the political spectrum is massively complicated at times, for this concept we broadly agree to stick to the simple linear one end being of the left and the other of the right. With majority rules of 51% votes required to Win / Pass.

Then I would agree that the 'centre is where each sides differing choices" are debated and an outcome decided upon. A simple and an effective way for reasonably stable and fair governance.

But 'I know there's always a but'. We in the UK and most functioning democracies has evolved around electing a single individual who will represent a particular body of the populace from a particular geographical place. To go to the 'centre' and debate, vote and accept the majority decision. Which should in a perfect world be the best idea wins and takes the day.

But 'I know there's always a but'. The political party system, has evolved from that simple idea into the horse trading behemoth of sadly stinking swamp and thankfully some public good. That each opposing end of the linear spectrum knows they can only win by being a majority in the vote. Thus each side should come knowing that they must be prepared to compromise. which is the centre...

I am not sure if I have debated myself into a corner here? "thinking of the centre as an opinion" rather than an opinion But...

The issue I and likely many others have with modern politics is that perhaps, that the political party system, (using the simplistic linear opposing poles) spends more time and effort chasing the centrist than making good policy based on a core set of idealogical beliefs...


Hum enough of that for today, off to play some mindless video game and watch some CSI.
 

Sarastro

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It's not.
It is if you want to achieve "centrist" anything.

Also, it is because it is. Look around you and find someone who is totally down the middle about everything. They don't exist, or certainly not in enough numbers to get as excited about "centrists" as a set.

Everyone has their hobby, expertise, obsession or fetish that is a bit off the norm, some more than others. In the same way, plenty of 'radicals' walk on the pavements, pay in cash and eat Weetabix, despite their stated disavowal of the systems that produced cereal, money and pedestrian bylaws.

Centrists exist only as a group phenomenon, not as individuals who measure an equal and opposite distance from each extreme edge.
 

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For the day to day running of the country we need the centrists to carry this out. For more long distance policy or out of the box thinking, we need, not extremists, but people who move away from the centrist POV who can move the country in a new direction. This is the role that political parties do. Keeping the extreme elements at bay is also what parties should be doing within themselves.

Or at least that is what happens when the country is not lurching from crisis to crisis, media induced or not.
 
It is if you want to achieve "centrist" anything.

Also, it is because it is. Look around you and find someone who is totally down the middle about everything. They don't exist, or certainly not in enough numbers to get as excited about "centrists" as a set.

A centrist is not "totally down the middle about everything", that is where your misconception lies. A centrist takes a position that occupies the centre of the political spectrum - which encompasses a range of views.

Centrists exist only as a group phenomenon, not as individuals who measure an equal and opposite distance from each extreme edge.
Utter rubbish.
 

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By jove I think I've cracked it!

The Centrist.

The Centrist does not sit on the fence but has the moral courage to execute their will and not be swayed by those who seek to subjugate them. The Centrist does not "tolerate" the views of extremes like some neutered puppy with no teeth afraid to bark; nor do they show intolerance of others' ideals and thoughts, however far fetched.

The Centrist accepts that any political majority of its country, is never a majority of the population and understands the vote is simply cast by those who care enough to invest in it and dismisses those who do not. Moreover they do not use this as a feeble means to score points - they accept their losses and use it as a focus for development.

The Centrist accepts and respects all faith and cultures, offering hospitality to all, until such time as that hospitality is taken advantage of at which point the puppy becomes a fully grown guard dog bearing unimaginable teeth.

They want what's best for themselves, their friends, family, and their country - in that order; because they understand that unless they look after themselves first, they are no use to anyone else, and you cannot choose your family but you can choose your friends - and finally once you've take care of your own and learned to make your bed in the morning, then - and only then - you can help others make theirs.

The Centrist understands the great benefits of socialism within our society, but rejects communism. They also understand the great benefits of capitalism, but rejects autocracy. Moreover they understand socialism is more than the sum of its parts, leave no man behind, one for all and all for one - and understand capitalism involves taking the raw ingredients and turning it into a beautiful Sunday roast.

They see the pitfalls and benefits of huge and potentially life-changing political decisions, and proceed with caution, pausing not to simply believe a catchy slogan on a bus, nor the scaremongering of political heavyweights forecasting economic misery should we not conform to the party narrative.

The Centrist does not get drawn into the Kafka Traps and confirmation bias set by the wings, because they are unable to judge by colour, nor creed, nor sexuality, nor religion. They see only merit, determination, effort and heart - and their response to such virtues is reciprocated in kind.

The Centrist knows when to listen, when to speak and when debate has no merit - because they understand when they are simply being used as a pawn for the wings' rhetoric and remove their ability to promote it by calling them out - or simply walking away. Moreover, they care not for moral high ground as their sense of altruism has no need of it.

The most common misconception of the Centrist is being labelled as the silent majority - but the truth is they are the ones who keep the country on track. They prevent the extremes from taking control. They maintain order, stability and even appeal for strong opposition to keep the current incumbents of government on their toes. In short, they are society. The antibodies of the country, working away in the background maintaining the balance and keeping the wings from destroying themselves.





I may be wrong, but that's roughly how I see it...
 
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Cold_Collation

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By jove I think I've cracked it!

The Centrist.

The Centrist does not sit on the fence but has the moral courage to execute their will and not be swayed by those who seek to subjugate them. The Centrist does not "tolerate" the views of extremes like some neutered puppy with no teeth afraid to bark; nor do they show intolerance of others' ideals and thoughts, however far fetched.

The Centrist accepts that any political majority of its country, is never a majority of the population and understands the vote is simply cast by those who care enough to invest in it and dismisses those who do not. Moreover they do not use this as a feeble means to score points - they accept their losses and use it as a focus for development.

The Centrist accepts and respects all faith and cultures, offering hospitality to all, until such time as that hospitality is taken advantage of at which point the puppy becomes a fully grown guard dog bearing unimaginable teeth.

They want what's best for themselves, their friends, family, and their country - in that order; because they understand that unless they look after themselves first, they are no use to anyone else, and you cannot choose your family but you can choose your friends - and finally once you've take care of your own and learned to make your bed in the morning, then - and only then - you can help others make theirs.

The Centrist understands the great benefits of socialism within our society, but rejects communism. They also understand the great benefits of capitalism, but rejects autocracy. Moreover they understand socialism is more than the sum of its parts, leave no man behind, one for all and all for one - and understand capitalism involves taking the raw ingredients and turning it into a beautiful Sunday roast.

They see the pitfalls and benefits of huge and potentially life-changing political decisions, and proceed with caution, pausing not to simply believe a catchy slogan on a bus, nor the scaremongering of political heavyweights forecasting economic misery should we not conform to the party narrative.

The Centrist does not get drawn into the Kafka Traps and confirmation bias set by the wings, because they are unable to judge by colour, nor creed, nor sexuality, nor religion. They see only merit, determination, effort and heart - and their response to such virtues is reciprocated in kind.

The Centrist knows when to listen, when to speak and when debate has no merit - because they understand when they are simply being used as a pawn for the wings' rhetoric and remove their ability to promote it by calling them out - or simply walking away. Moreover, they care not for moral high ground as their sense of altruism has no need of it.

The most common misconception of the Centrist is bring labelled as the silent majority - but the truth is they are the ones who keep the country on track. They prevent the extremes from taking control. They maintain order, stability and even appeal for strong opposition to keep the current incumbents of government on their toes. In short, they are society. The antibodies of the country, working away in the background maintaining the balance and keeping the wings from destroying themselves.





I may be wrong, but that's roughly how I see it...
To be honest, I’m still at George Lucas…
 
For more long distance policy or out of the box thinking, we need, not extremists, but people who move away from the centrist POV who can move the country in a new direction. This is the role that political parties do. Keeping the extreme elements at bay is also what parties should be doing within themselves.

Am I conflating your notion of movement with 'progress'?

Why not simply maintain the 'status quo' - such as human/ societal decency - rather than seek to progress it?

For example, is eventually recognising and enshrining through law equality among all factions that make up the UK population 'progress' or the continued effort of maintaining homeostasis i.e 'decency' of an enlightened country?

I know I'm making a pure arse of trying to articulate my thoughts here cos it's late, I think I'm just trying to approach 'progress' from a different angle as a thought experiment, that 'progress' can be an over corrective action whereby those initially recognised as not being 'equal' end up with 'more rights' than 'the majority'.
 

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Am I conflating your notion of movement with 'progress'?

Why not simply maintain the 'status quo' - such as human/ societal decency - rather than seek to progress it?

For example, is eventually recognising and enshrining through law equality among all factions that make up the UK population 'progress' or the continued effort of maintaining homeostasis i.e 'decency' of an enlightened country?

I know I'm making a pure arse of trying to articulate my thoughts here cos it's late, I think I'm just trying to approach 'progress' from a different angle as a thought experiment.
Life changes, situation a change, can't leave things just as they are 'status quo' as very quickly things will stop working, countries will be overtaking us in trade, defence, everything.

I think the enshrining in law the status of people as per wokeism as is being done just now is wrong and just setting up issues for later.

What we are in great danger of losing in this country is our sense of tolerance, one of the things that make (made) Britain so attractive to immigrants both economic and refugee.
 
The centre ground of politics doesn't mean everybody agrees on all the same things, within or between people from different political backgrounds, but there is a certain amount of commonality. It's only as you move farther away from the centre ground do the common views diverge to become more extreme. However, the centre ground provides the best space for people to work together and achieve the best outcome for the majority. This is why Far Left and Far Right political factions will never achieve success.
 
The whole left-right thing is much more complicated than a one-dimensional line.

I consider myself an old-school Liberal. Politically I'm generally centre-right on economic matters and centre-left on social ones.

Of course it's much more complicated than that in reality.
Using that simple logic, makes you a ‘proper’ centrist. It’s only complicated by those who share your distinctive centrism, but represent slightly different views on how to reach the middle.
It still provides room for refined debate among true gentlemen. :)
 
The whole left-right thing is much more complicated than a one-dimensional line.

I consider myself an old-school Liberal. Politically I'm generally centre-right on economic matters and centre-left on social ones.

Of course it's much more complicated than that in reality.
You don’t say…
 

Cold_Collation

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Life changes, situation a change, can't leave things just as they are 'status quo' as very quickly things will stop working, countries will be overtaking us in trade, defence, everything.

I think the enshrining in law the status of people as per wokeism as is being done just now is wrong and just setting up issues for later.

What we are in great danger of losing in this country is our sense of tolerance, one of the things that make (made) Britain so attractive to immigrants both economic and refugee.
Yes but define progress.

Much of that I’ve seen in recent months is taking the country backwards, and at an alarming rate.
 
...The Centrist does not "tolerate" the views of extremes like some neutered puppy with no teeth afraid to bark; nor do they show intolerance of others' ideals and thoughts, however far fetched...

A little contradictory, no? Not tolerating the lunacy of the extremes while tolerating their lunacy, however far fetched, is going to melt your brain. Sometimes we have to draw a line we won't cross and even tolerance has its limits.
 
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