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#1
Read the following:

Terror plan 'may alienate Muslims'
The Government has been warned it risked alienating the Muslim community over reported plans to introduce airport security screening on ethnic and religious grounds.

Metropolitan Police Chief Superintendent Ali Dizaei said tougher checks based on ethnicity and religious background would create a new offence of "travelling whilst Asian".

The Muslim Council of Britain also said such checks could risk alienating Muslims - the group with whom the Government must work to counter terrorism.

The comments came after a report in The Times newspaper that officials are considering a system of passenger-profiling that would select people behaving suspiciously, who have an unusual travel pattern or have a certain ethnic or religious background.

The move also came after former Scotland Yard chief Lord Stevens said airport chaos could be reduced by targeting passengers for more rigorous checks, with "young Muslim men" a focus.

Chief Supt Dizaei, one of Britain's most senior Muslim officers, said intelligence could be used to examine travel history and how a ticket is purchased but added: "It becomes hugely problematic when it's based on ethnicity, religion and country of origin.

"I don't think there's a stereotypical image of a terrorist."

Speaking on BBC2 Newsnight he said: "What you are suggesting is that we should have a new offence in this country called 'travelling whilst Asian'.

"That's unpalatable to everyone. It is communities that defeat terrorism, and what we don't want to do is actually alienate the very communities who are going to help us catch terrorists.

"We cannot lose sight of the fact that terrorists come in all shapes and sizes."

As Lord Stevens stated the other day:

"I'm a white, 62-year-old, suit-wearing ex-cop - I fly often, but do I really fit the profile of a suicide bomber?" Hallelujah, some body with a bit of common sense.

Why do we continue to try to appease the minority at the deteriment to the majority? I am sorry, but the threat comes from MUSLIM men, of Asian or Middle Eastern origin, not from Grannies or white women with children. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. Profiling works, the Israelis have proved it. Why haven't we done this before, straight after 9/11 would have been the perfect time.

Rant Over.

Peace out.
 
#2
I think the said senior police officer needs reminding that whilst not all Muslims are terrorists , whether he likes it or not all terrorists are Muslims.
I guess like most Muslims he doesn't like having to face the truth
 
#4
Something else for them to cry about. Thing is that most of your average muslims on the street seem to think that this is all a gobment conspiracy and that we are discriminating them.......

Multiculturalism has a lot to answer for... :evil:
 
#6
Not all Muslims are of Asian or Middle Eastern origin.

Some of the most rabiate Muslims are recent converts from Europe and America.

Take John Walker? the American captured in Afghanistan for example.
 
#7
At the end of the day, all profiling will do is 'target' those individuals for extra scrutiny whilst allowing others to progress through with a 'normal' level of security, which will still include all the necesaary checks already in place. As has already been said, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. Accepting the blatant fact that the profile is essentially correct as has been borne out by fact, if the muslim community really wants to see an end to all of this as much as we do, they have to commit to that beleif and get with the programme.

If profiling is used and 10,000 innocent folk are mucked about for a few minutes but it stops just one bomb then that to me is justifiable.

Besides, it just goes back to the old argument, 'When in Rome'... WE make the rules in this country, like or lump it - and if lump it means buggering off elsewhere, then feel free to do so................
 
#8
Intelligence gathered has set the profiles for indicating a terrorists, it's not a north of the border sweaty using a government paid for ticket so why do I need to show off the inside of my shoes to SY?

It is however predominantly muslim men hence you will be stopped more often. Don't blame the system but all those in paradise with their 17 virgin wives who have made it so.............
 
#9
With this Government the whole when in Rome thing has been thrown out a long time ago. We are not alienating anyone, it is an accepted fact that nowadays a terrorist is more likely than not to be Muslim. Also the Muslims are forgetting that not only do we have to worry about Islamic extremists we also have to worry about the more dissident Irish republican terror groups out there who aren't happy with the cease-fire etc. As for Chief Supt Dizaei saying that passengers shouldn't be screened according to race, religion, background etc perhaps he should go to any international airport. Why are there more customs officers around when flights come in from Jamica, Amsterdam etc? Is it because it is proven that more drugs come in from these countries than others? Yes, so precautions are being taken.
We don't want to segregate anybody we just want to ensure the correct precautions are in place to avoid a terrorist attack.
 
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Goku

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#10
Tartan_Terrier said:
Not all Muslims are of Asian or Middle Eastern origin.
Correct, but the vast majority are and that is why…

officials are considering a system of passenger-profiling that would select people behaving suspiciously, who have an unusual travel pattern or have a certain ethnic or religious background
 
#11
Is it just me or anyone else seeing the obvious here? If the government admit to using profiling, terrorist organisations will just ratchet up their recruiting of individuals who don't fit the profile.
If you're going to use profiling for f*cks sake, don't tell anyone!
 
#12
I've just seen this cartoon in the Telegraph. Brilliant!

 
#13
Yes. Islam - it isn't a racial issue at all, it is a philosophical one. Anyone can espouse Islam regardless of nationality. Luckily in the UK the Islamic community is quite focused and indeed in some areas ghetto-ized (in some cases by their own isolationism, in others by native dwellers attitudes). This makes identifying possible outlets for extremisim easy but corrolarily it makes infiltration and espionage against them difficult. Likewise it makes it hard for Islamic terrorists to function outside their hinterlands but it also means that we have a "perception" of what an Islamic terroriist looks like, dresses like and all it takes is a shave and some nifty clobber and "Bango"!

There is indeed a right to religious free expression, unless of course you are a practising Christian(!), however no religious observance outweighs public safety. Minority rights is a great USP for British society but only where they do not impinge upon the majority rights of the remainder. Just as majority discrimination against minorities is equally reprehensible.
Every witness to recent events has said, they all looked so ordinary/common[place et cetera.
 
#14
Profiling = common sense, and has been employed for eons.

This copper should be sacked forthwith, as he would obviously refrain from checking all paedophiles when a child is taken/interfered with.

FFS !!.
 
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armadillo

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Remember the "peace march" in London where the young man thought it fine to wear a suicide vest , if he had marched in front of my stag position I would have shot him square between the eyes and not stopped firing till he stopped twitching.

Reason he fit the profile plus was wearing a suicide vest.

People forget in this country that we fought a war against terroroists that were white. Profiling was harder then, now it is abit easier with this religious group we should use all the tactical advantages that we can get. This senior police officer should not be berating the Government but berating the Muslim population of britain for not acting harder and faster.

I dont like to tar people with the same Brush , in fact in the service of this Government I have found myself in other countries trying to stop ethnic cleansing. So I understand ethnicity better than most police officers, they may find themselves at the scene of a race hate crime, never seen them counting bodies in a village where people were killed by power tools.


I still wake up in cold sweat with those images burned on my mind.

Armadillo
 
#16
There should be corridors in airports you go down the one for gents or the one for ladies, along side each corridor is a conveyer belt. onto which you stick all your stuff then walk down the corridor naked! get the other end and stick yer kit back on you do it or you don't fly. job done! oh and of course a little room at the end for them that make the machine go beep!!
 
#17
Armadillo - there were a lot of coppers, particularly SOCOs, who did serve in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Many of them were involved in the ICTY investigations and came to the sites with the troops. They were also involved in the repatriations of bodies too. I know of one bobby in Avon and Somerset who was very badly affected by his experience in BH. Fair play!

Minutes pause, then you can rip into the coppers who were on the IPTF and earning shed-loads!! :)

However your point is otherwise tip-top and I agree with you in principle about profiling. As to shooting the mock-suicide bomber, you would have had to conceive he presented a threat to you and your comrades, general public et cetera. You mentioned he had a suicide vest on but could you actually see any electrician's tools or a Brazilian passport? No? Well never mind, well done anyway, pop off and train up some sky marshals, there's a good lad.
 
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whiffler said:
Profiling = common sense, and has been employed for eons.

This copper should be sacked forthwith, as he would obviously refrain from checking all paedophiles when a child is taken/interfered with.

FFS !!.
I disagree Whiffler. I think Chief Supt Dizaei, as one of the most senior Muslim Officer is fair to comment on muslim issues by pointing out the things he has. Afterall he does agree with gathering intelligence and that the Muslim community needs to do more.

Your comments on him not checking out a potential paedophile are a bit harsh.
 
#19
Ice_and_a_Slice said:
whiffler said:
Profiling = common sense, and has been employed for eons.

This copper should be sacked forthwith, as he would obviously refrain from checking all paedophiles when a child is taken/interfered with.

FFS !!.
I disagree Whiffler. I think Chief Supt Dizaei, as one of the most senior Muslim Officer is fair to comment on muslim issues by pointing out the things he has. Afterall he does agree with gathering intelligence and that the Muslim community needs to do more.

Your comments on him not checking out a potential paedophile are a bit harsh.
his is the same guy who claimed racism as he was passed over for promotion. All he is doing at the moment is getting more profile by the nature of his religion and to use the Driving While Muslim is just the same as the old Driving While Black argument when S & S targetted areas of London with high crime rates primarily by Blacks. (often against blacks)

The Police will get hammered if they do nowt and hammered if they do. All this gobs##te is doing is preparing himself for the post of Muslim spokesperson when he leaves the job.
 
#20
OldTimer said:
I think the said senior police officer needs reminding that whilst not all Muslims are terrorists , whether he likes it or not all terrorists are Muslims.
...except Irish, Basque, Corsican ones. There were red Brigades in Italy. There are no Muslims in Japan but I heard about terror acts there.
 

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