I don't think the Remainers realise what they're kicking off there. If the UK decides to ditch leaving the EU, it'll have to re-apply for membership. That'll mean adopting the euro, for one thing, but any membership will be under far worse conditions than before. And anyway, who'd want to be a part of such an authoritarian, anti-democratic outfit ruled over by unelected autocrats who're in bed with the big banks.
MsG
What would happen if we had another Brexit vote and there was a BIGGER majority for leave?
We will be the first to leave.
Who will follow?
Will they sack the Euro and return to the Franc, Guilder or Peseta?
Not sure about the Franc but the other two are a reasonable bet along with the Drachma and the Lira.
At this point I don't know which I find more irritating - the paranoia & hyperbole of hardcore remain supporters or the paranoia & hyperbole of hardcore leave supporters.
Nearly half the electorate voted to remain & a portion of 'leave' voters might not have voted the way they did if it had been a referendum on the terms of the final deal. It's a bit much to imply that approximately half the electorate is some sort of 5th column. I don't want another referendum to happen but wanting a referendum on the final deal is a reasonable position. What are the reasons for thinking that it's unreasonable? That a referendum already happened? Firstly, things change & new information comes to light. Who argued that, in light of the electorate's endorsement of the party that won the, say, 1997 general election, there should have been no subsequent general elections? Secondly, the previous referendum wasn't on the same question. Thirdly, a referendum on the final deal would give people the opportunity to know exactly what they're voting for.
The basis for objecting to another referendum seems to boil down to the possibility that a majority of the electorate may vote against what leave supporters want. Well, as I & many other leave supporters pointed out last time round, bad luck, that's democracy.
As someone who hopes the UK leaves the EU with the greatest possible success (leading to more nations leaving) I've been very disappointed with the poor quality of argument for the leave position, much of which being unserious, inconsistent (e.g., goal-post moving), straw-manning (e.g., portraying the highly technical concerns voiced by economists as 'fearmongering about famine & pestilence'), demonology & snarling that is guaranteed to persuade absolutely no one. If the 2nd referendum does happen & the outcome is a message to Brussels along the lines of 'we changed our minds' a lot of the blame for that outcome should lie with my fellow leave supporters.
Seeing as the numbers attending yesterday's march will be proof enough for some people we should be staying... how about having a Brexiters March somewhere in UK (not London as that's too full of foreigners) and see if the BBC will do the same aerial shots of 'a big crowd' to demonstrate that many still want us to leave?What would happen if we had another Brexit vote and there was a BIGGER majority for leave?
Firstly, how would you phrase the question for a ballot:This post is possibly the most sensible one I’ve seen on arrse regarding this matter.
A vote on the final deal would be a vote on the facts and not the lies that were spouted by either side and the promises that were made that nobody had any intention of keeping even as the words left their mouths.
Bring it on!
I disagree with your call for a second referendum or vote, whatever one wishes to call it.At this point I don't know which I find more irritating - the paranoia & hyperbole of hardcore remain supporters or the paranoia & hyperbole of hardcore leave supporters.
Nearly half the electorate voted to remain & a portion of 'leave' voters might not have voted the way they did if it had been a referendum on the terms of the final deal. It's a bit much to imply that approximately half the electorate is some sort of 5th column. I don't want another referendum to happen but wanting a referendum on the final deal is a reasonable position. What are the reasons for thinking that it's unreasonable? That a referendum already happened? Firstly, things change & new information comes to light. Who argued that, in light of the electorate's endorsement of the party that won the, say, 1997 general election, there should have been no subsequent general elections? Secondly, the previous referendum wasn't on the same question. Thirdly, a referendum on the final deal would give people the opportunity to know exactly what they're voting for.
The basis for objecting to another referendum seems to boil down to the possibility that a majority of the electorate may vote against what leave supporters want. Well, as I & many other leave supporters pointed out last time round, bad luck, that's democracy.
As someone who hopes the UK leaves the EU with the greatest possible success (leading to more nations leaving) I've been very disappointed with the poor quality of argument for the leave position, much of which being unserious, inconsistent (e.g., goal-post moving), straw-manning (e.g., portraying the highly technical concerns voiced by economists as 'fearmongering about famine & pestilence'), demonology & snarling that is guaranteed to persuade absolutely no one. If the 2nd referendum does happen & the outcome is a message to Brussels along the lines of 'we changed our minds' a lot of the blame for that outcome should lie with my fellow leave supporters.
There would have been a vote counting error ......in snowflake land.What would happen if we had another Brexit vote and there was a BIGGER majority for leave?
Firstly, how would you phrase the question for a ballot:
1. Should the UK accept the deal on offer
2. Should the UK reject the deal on offer
3. Should the UK seek to extend the negotiation
4. Should the UK seek to Remain in the EU
5. Should the UK leave without a deal
etc, etc
Secondly, how can you honestly expect either side of the debate to not spout lies and mis-facts as in the lead up to, during and post Referendum?
Thirdly, how can anyone honestly expect either side, UK or EU, to honour the final agreement?
Not really thought your post through have you?