The Remainer march in London today.

But is that aided by the fact it can see into 27 countries without any customs barriers ?
but that's basically because the EU doesn't comply with WTO rules by having an effective customs enforcement system. This means there is a lower standard of compliance against evasion and the EU loses hand over fist.
 
I hate to agree with you but the overton window has never been further left. If the current Labour party win GE then we are in trouble. I have heard quiet rumours that plans for a coup d'état have been discussed but are of course very unlikely. We have a very real danger of socialists gaining power and that will lead to our ruin as evidenced by every other time it has ever been tried before.

This is, in part, why TM is still in power however it´s really not working having her in charge and I sincerely hope that she is gone by the end of the month. I would put Rees-Mogg and Johnson in charge of Brexit, at least they wont be pushed around and will be tougher on the EU.

This fecking idiot, Owen Jones is a major Labour campaigner and has brought socialism back into the mainstream for the masses, he has also been discussing communism as if it is some misunderstood bit of fun and games.

This is the scale of the problem that we face for the future.

What are the specifics of our future ruin?

Because you seem very clear the U.K. is doomed under Labour.

What specifically is going to happen and can you reference your workings

On the other side of the coin What do you want for the country. What specifics do you want to change to make you, your family, your community more content ?
 
If the current Labour party gets elected then the country will be bankrupted within 5 years and we will be in for a repeat of 1973/4 Winter of Discontent etc etc.

Whilst I agree that some key utilities should be nationalised, the Labour plan will send investors running for the hills.

As usual, your happy-clappy socialist wibble will be screwed in the cold light of day.

The chances of Labour winning the next GE are pretty slim, despite the current Tory chaos and the best that Corby can hope for is a hung parliament.
Show your workings.
 
No longer a thread about the march in London a couple of days ago, then.
Just another one for the obsessives to spout the same old, same old bunch or rubbish.
Keeps you all happy I suppose considering there are so many who live on this site and don't have real lives.
 
I think we should have a referendum to see whether or not a second Brexit referendum is necessary.
 
This could have been a lot simpler & easier than it has been.
I know. If only the people who came up with the referendum had a viable and enforceable plan (s) in place (or even a half vague/ practical idea), before they decided to go with it.

It's like going to war without having a good exit strategy in place. Oh shit, forgot, we are really good at pulling this sort of crap. Learning from the past? That's for pussies.
 
You might want to listen carefully to the dialogue in the vid you’ve linked to.

If, as you state, the current Labour party wins a GE it will be because the majority of the population voted for them. That means that the policies of the current Labour party are more appealing than anything offered by the Tories or any other political party. So why do you state that “we” will be in trouble? What sort of trouble? How will Socialists being elected lead to “our” ruin? And why should there be plans hatched for a coup d'état if the Labour party has been democratically elected?

Many of the policies advocated by the Labour party have formed an integral part of the political landscape in the Scandinavian countries and Germany for decades. So how come they aren’t “ruined”?

What will happen if the Labour party is elected and then manages to successfully implement many of its policies – policies that will greatly benefit the majority of the population? What will you do then? Still decry them as destroyers of the country?

I believe you’re painting much too dramatic a picture of what might happen because you don’t fully understand what Socialist policies really are, let alone what Communism is actually about.

MsG
@DaManBugs ...holy shit bro! You've broken the button meter in this one. I didn't even read you comment, but was immediately drawn to the buttons people pressed. The only thing missing was a dislike, so I gave you one, just to make it complete. I had never seen all those different buttons in one single post before.

I didn't dislike the comment for the content, since I didn't actually read it, just hit it to complete the display. No hard feelings mate.

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for the mainland UK, possibly the EU to the extend.

If your in the region that Westminster forgot they owned and had a land border with not so much.

Why do i say the EU to an extent? Because one country put it on the table as it effects the relationship.

ok so it isn’t no deal and WTO rules we are looking at, free trade, taking back control, economic freedom...... now it is imposing economic sanctions on the EU!

correct

and the majority of people in 1 region of the UK
Affects whose relationship ?

We're imposing no sanctions on the EU, if the EU wants a 'soft' border, it should rewrite it's own rules, no provision has been made, for a non-compliant, non-EU country to have an open border with the EU, it also beggars belief that after all the shite they've thrown at the UK, they expect us to sort out THEIR border problem ?

I would say to both Eire and, the EU "Rotate, not our problem"!

Contrary to popular belief, the UK has always has 'border checks' with the EU, no matter how superficial.
 
Affects whose relationship ?

We're imposing no sanctions on the EU, if the EU wants a 'soft' border, it should rewrite it's own rules, no provision has been made, for a non-compliant, non-EU country to have an open border with the EU, it also beggars belief that after all the shite they've thrown at the UK, they expect us to sort out THEIR border problem ?

I would say to both Eire and, the EU "Rotate, not our problem"!

Contrary to popular belief, the UK has always has 'border checks' with the EU, no matter how superficial.
I am not a leaver (or rather would've voted to remain - if I was allowed to), but the shit EU pulls out for the border issue is a complete bunch of horse shit. The UK shouldn't allow the EU to run roughshod over this issue and tell the EU to **** off, with a big F.
 
RoI/NI border is the 'impossible' problem?

Switzerland - not in EU, not in Customs Union, has bilateral deals that allow it to be single market

Probleme?
 
The last one was simple, stay or go. But people have had difficulty understanding that, "I thought we would go the day after", and many other comment from both sides showing that the option may have been simple but the understanding of what was being asked was not.

There will not be many within the EU and the UK who will understand the deal and trying to present that to the public in the UK and the EU to a level that most will understand would be interesting work and could take a lifetime.

Many of these People's Vote forget that any deal has to get by the Walloons and if they don't like it it's back to square one.
Amazing how we were clever enough to vote ourselves into the Common Market in '75 but we're too stupid to understand why we voted out.
 
And, also complies with certain EU regulations, bad analogy.
If we want to do trade with the EU block we will have to continue complying with various regulations and directives to have products CE marked.

His work looks very close to the Fleccas Talks channel, which I recommend if you've had a bad day.
Anti BREXIT is the new CND? No need to think about the issues, just show everyone that you care....

Amazing how we were clever enough to vote ourselves into the Common Market in '75 but we're too stupid to understand why we voted out.
Speak for yourself. Some of us are too young to have been given a vote. 1975 was before I was born.
 
Saw this and thought of you:
 

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RoI/NI border is the 'impossible' problem?

Switzerland - not in EU, not in Customs Union, has bilateral deals that allow it to be single market

Probleme?
Exactly! That's something I mentioned on one of the other EU threads and is a perfect precedent for any border between the RoI and the Six Counties.

We moved into the border Germany/Switzerland border area after we left East Germany at the end of 1996 and I used the Lörrach/Riehen crossing (along with thousands of others) several times a week with nary a problem. Moreover, there are bilateral tax arrangements for those who work on one side of the border but live on the other.

Applying the same rules to the RoI/Six Counties border wouldn't be breaking new ground either, because they've been proved to work brilliantly and have stood the test of time. There's even a railway station in Basel (called "Badische Bahnhof) some seven kilometres from the German border which is tri-lateral (Swiss, German and French) which is used by thousands from the three countries every day and where the transition functions perfectly smoothly.

In my view, the EU negotiators are just using the whole issue as an excuse to delay and sabotage the talks. Instead of looking for solutions they're looking for obstacles.

MsG
 
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