The RA's latest toy - Fireshadow

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#6
Loitering Munitions - all very nice. So what happens after 6 hours of loitering when a target does not appear, is not PID, or for some other reason cannot be engaged? A rather expensive firework in my view.
 
#11
Aren't bombs under the remit of those flying chappies?
From the link:

According to missile systems manufacturer MBDA, this bird of death is a high precision, low cost flying missile that can be launched by a soldier from the ground, just like any other small unmanned air vehicle.
 
#12
Loitering Munitions - all very nice. So what happens after 6 hours of loitering when a target does not appear, is not PID, or for some other reason cannot be engaged?
(My bolding) Same thought occurred to me.

Certainly looks like 'useful' weapon, in the right hands.
Now, :scratch: how to prevent it getting into the wrong hands ...
 
#13
You would think there are cheaper options if you want to target an individual.
Agreed, that is why there are no plans to build more than a dozen or so for testing purposes. Although I thought it might be useful in situations where terry might lie low during a 30 minute Apache loiter, then resume the contact when it has knobed off.
 
#14
For less than a fiver Terry Taliban can make an IED, plant it next to a road, wait for a convoy for 6 hours and with a simple text, take out tens if not hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of vehicle, kill and injure many soldiers and seriously slow up progress for the rest of the convoy. If a convoy does not appear, he leaves the IED in situ and comes back the next day, and again, and again until he gets a target.

We on the other hand spend millions on a non reusable weapon to take out a goat shagging fuckwit on a donkey carrying an RPG.

And we wonder why we have to make cuts!!!
 
#15
A UAV 200kg bomb that has 6 hour loiter capability:



Works over sea or land and is by all accounts accurate enough to target an individual.

Check out the link to see a video of it in action - impressive stuff

This Terrifying Killing Machine Can Loiter for Six Hours Before Attacking Its Target Like a Mad Hawk | Gizmodo UK
I much prefer the name 'Madhawk' to the rather crumbly 'Fireshadow'. Who thinks up these crappy names, somebody who got fired from 'Whizzo!' comics?

tac
 
#16
It's great as long as you use it against illiterate tribes armed with AKs. Modern air defence kit has this sort of thing firmly designed in as a key threat. As does modern EW kit. The datalink may be secure but if you can't pick it out of the jamming it's a bit pointless. And as long as you can either get an accurate 10 figure grid for your targets or be very, very sure you're not aiming at one of the rather good decoys currently on the market.

I know UK plc would have issues with this sort of threat but remember I said modern kit.
 
#18
I'd imagine that it's primarily useful if you want to keep a well dug in enemy pinned down, without having to fly an ac overhead for 6 hours...
 
#20
It's great as long as you use it against illiterate tribes armed with AKs. Modern air defence kit has this sort of thing firmly designed in as a key threat. As does modern EW kit. The datalink may be secure but if you can't pick it out of the jamming it's a bit pointless. And as long as you can either get an accurate 10 figure grid for your targets or be very, very sure you're not aiming at one of the rather good decoys currently on the market.

I know UK plc would have issues with this sort of threat but remember I said modern kit.
Better than the bloke who thinks up names for ops: fingal, telic, herrick, olympic...