The public sector is plagued by "bone idle" staff…

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…and an epidemic of people taking time off sick, according to the head of one of the country's biggest fire brigades.



'The trouble with the public sector is bone-idle staff' - Telegraph


Talk about the kettle calling the pot blackarse!!!!


The managament are most probably to scared to deal with the poor sickness levels as they might have the unions jumping all over them.Its most probably a ``little perk`` that the management and unions have agreed upon.Let the members have a little sickie.They should start to manage the sickness problem robustly.Start to sack some of the skiving tnucs.
 
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…and an epidemic of people taking time off sick, according to the head of one of the country's biggest fire brigades.



'The trouble with the public sector is bone-idle staff' - Telegraph


Talk about the kettle calling the pot blackarse!!!!
Merseyside's chief fire officer has apologised for claiming that some workers in the public sector are "bone idle".

"I am passionate in defending our service and in hindsight I used language which I now regret”


He gets a £200,000 salary and a £500,000 pension.
 
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Merseyside's chief fire officer has apologised for claiming that some workers in the public sector are "bone idle".

Mark Dunne, chairman of Merseyside Fire Brigade Union (FBU), said his remarks were the latest in a long line of "inappropriate comments".
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I am passionate in defending our service and in hindsight I used language which I now regret”



He gets a £200,000 salary and a £500,000 pension.



Translation: He told the truth and the brothers don't like it.
 
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this bloke is cnut...

its a fact that sickness levels in the pulic services were a joke ..but from a modern fire service view sickness levels are falsely low...you cant go to a sick bay or pop into the doc on sick parade and book light duties with the green shield of steel..you are either 100 percent fit to wear BA and fight fires or you go sick..but if you do go sick you lose your cpd (about 500 to 900 squid per anum ) so firemen all come in unfit for duty..and yet still they hit you with a big stick...the trouble is sickness did need to be dealt with but now its an obsession so the balance needs addresing or we need a military system where we could come in light duties ..but that would require a massive increase in manpower so thats a non starter
 
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Tony McGiurk is not a **** or a fat cat or indeed idle. He is however spot on when he points out that it is possible to cut the cost of public services without reducing their effectiveness. An unpopular point of view only surpassed in its unpopularity by the suggestion that public "servants" might take a pay cut - like they did in some cases in Ireland last year. They still have jobs though.
 
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I could name a few and, surprisingly (or maybe not) the worst ones are usually the most militant union member types!
 
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this bloke is cnut...

its a fact that sickness levels in the pulic services were a joke ..but from a modern fire service view sickness levels are falsely low...you cant go to a sick bay or pop into the doc on sick parade and book light duties with the green shield of steel..you are either 100 percent fit to wear BA and fight fires or you go sick..but if you do go sick you lose your cpd (about 500 to 900 squid per anum ) so firemen all come in unfit for duty..and yet still they hit you with a big stick...the trouble is sickness did need to be dealt with but now its an obsession so the balance needs addresing or we need a military system where we could come in light duties ..but that would require a massive increase in manpower so thats a non starter


Or alternatively, the Fire Service could come into the same world as the rest of the worlds fire brigades and start doing things like driving ambulances and other such less physical jobs instead of having their work routines and practices factored around fitting in their second jobs.
 

Mr_Fingerz

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Or alternatively, the Fire Service could come into the same world as the rest of the worlds fire brigades and start doing things like driving ambulances and other such less physical jobs instead of having their work routines and practices factored around fitting in their second jobs.
Except that in the UK, Fire Appliance drivers are employed by the local Fire and Rescue Service, and Ambulance Drivers are employed by the local NHS Ambulance Trust (Two (2) very different bodies). Ambulance drivers (even those who aren't paramedics) have a different skill set to Firemen. BTW, being an ambulance driver isn't necessarily any less physical than being a fireman - they still have to lift (very) heavy dead weights (admittedly without the embuggerance of smoke and intense heat).

You haven't thought this through have you.
 
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Ever been to a tri-service integrated control room, with Police, FRS and ambulance services? "Integrated" is the most inappropriately used word in that context, I have ever come across...The FRS boys and girls have to be behind closed doors, so they can indulge in kipping et cetera, without being disturbed by noisy policemena dn ambulance officers.
 
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Except that in the UK, Fire Appliance drivers are employed by the local Fire and Rescue Service, and Ambulance Drivers are employed by the local NHS Ambulance Trust (Two (2) very different bodies). Ambulance drivers (even those who aren't paramedics) have a different skill set to Firemen. BTW, being an ambulance driver isn't necessarily any less physical than being a fireman - they still have to lift (very) heavy dead weights (admittedly without the embuggerance of smoke and intense heat).

You haven't thought this through have you.
Yes I have.

Now, please explain to me why British firepersons can't operate the same as the rest of the worlds firepersons seem to find doable. And enough with this difffent 'skillset' as a driver.
 

Mr_Fingerz

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Well, if you'd like to conduct a root and branch review of both the Fire and Rescue Services and the many NHS Ambulance Trusts and tell Dave where he could save money feel free (Oh, and do share with the rest of us).
 
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Well, if you'd like to conduct a root and branch review of both the Fire and Rescue Services and the many NHS Ambulance Trusts and tell Dave where he could save money feel free (Oh, and do share with the rest of us).

Thought not, you can't come up with a valid reason why UK firepersons cant drive ambulances and provide basic on site first aid.

Now, as to changes? It's been considered before and the relevant Unions, especially the Firepersons one were ferociously opposed to the concept. There is no valid case for seperate fire and ambulance services, each with their own private fiefdoms and stations and shift patterns that have little to do with providing an efficient service and much to do with permitting the runing of second jobs like painting & decorating, car repair and gardening services.. They both usually go to the same place, vast savings are to be had, but it would mean that instead of spending large amounts of time watching telly and reading, the people at my local fire station would actually have to pop their heads out of the station from time to time.
 
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There are an awful lot in the army......
Yes, but you're not allowed to bring that up. Lazy f*ckers in the Army is a sensitive subject which often upsets other sensitive lazy bastards in the Army. I've met more lazy ******* in the Army than I have in civvy street. Out here, lazy ******* get their cards. And not the laminated one which excuses you from PT, shaving or indeed grafting.
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
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As I explained in my first post, They are employed (currently) by two (2) entirely seperate organisations. I'm pretty certain that firemen and women will provide (very) basic first aid on site to keep victims alive. However, if you want fire officers (or whatever you wish to call them) to act as paramedics (and by extension the converse must be true), then you had better be prepared to spend a shedload of money getting a load of people x-trained and able to focus on multiple tasks.
 
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Or alternatively, the Fire Service could come into the same world as the rest of the worlds fire brigades and start doing things like driving ambulances and other such less physical jobs instead of having their work routines and practices factored around fitting in their second jobs.
This all came out during their last 'tantrum'. What you say though makes sense as every other country in Europe (or just about) manages. It's about time that there was a review, without the emotion often displayed by the emergency services when they are looked at closer than they would like to be.
 
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im assuming your intelligent enough to know that firefighters are first responders not paramedics and yes i support an amalagmation of ambulance and the fire service but two different skill sets ..you cant do both ..if you disagree educate yourself
getting back on track ..tony is a cnut ..he has smashed his fire service ..its only when people suffer from house fires and lose loved ones that they educate themselves about the fact that their local fire station was not manned at night but they still pay the same tax as the guy in the same council bracket that gets maybe the only wholetime station in that area....fire stations are quieter ..thankfully than the ambulance service ..firefighter sickness is artifically low ..but was is not artifically low is the millions of pounds you as tax payer pay in consultants to "modernise the cooperate image " ..but as critical thinker with a brain im sure you guys are happy with that :)
 
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As I explained in my first post, They are employed (currently) by two (2) entirely seperate organisations. I'm pretty certain that firemen and women will provide (very) basic first aid on site to keep victims alive. However, if you want fire officers (or whatever you wish to call them) to act as paramedics (and by extension the converse must be true), then you had better be prepared to spend a shedload of money getting a load of people x-trained and able to focus on multiple tasks.


Ah yes, the good old 'you'd have to spend gazzilions to train every fireperson as a paramedic'… card is played!

Balls, no you don't and no the rest of the world doesn't.
 

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