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The police farce.

I intend to retire from the police when I reach 60, some 3 and a half years hence. The Army pension, police pension and lack of mortgage means I'll be working purely for the little luxuries. I intend to get something, either connected to the Job (speed camera van operator or front office person ) or something completely different, Tesco vans or the like. Half a regular working week leaving time for golf and stuff but enough to avoid me committing the gravest offence in the eyes of the Sainted Mrs Devex, to whit, 'Being in the way'.
Reminds me of the good old days in the HM Prison Service when uniformed Screws could retire at 55 (decent pension for all those recruited prior to Fresh Start in 1987 ish). (Normally at least Senior Officer/Principle Officer Rank, i.e. giving the Basic Grade Officers, OSG's, and other less mortals SH1T jobs such as vehicle vehicle escorts etc).

They would spent thier last 6 months by giving it the big one, days to do getting few etc, once I am out I am out, looking for a Villa in Espania, pre-release type course, taking outstanding leave/TOIL, lack of interest in the job going through the motions etc etc etc.

The Monday following thier retirement on the Friday you would see them stagging on as Operational Support Grade (OSG) doing the vehicle escorts and other SH1T jobs!!!!! (Some would forget that once they retired so did thier previous held rank!!!!!).

When asked why the response was 'Missing the job, just toping up the pension, need to spend some time away from the Wifey etc'. 'Thank F*ck, I was given my marching orders when I was 45 so I could not hang on if I wanted to'.
 
And there you sum it up

LMF

Right so we’re back to where I originally was. It’s the politicians fault. You want policing to change vote in those who will actually invest in the CJS and support the various branches of it beyond a few empty words and the occasional memorial.
Would you expect Privates, JNCOs or NCOs to tell Colonels and Generals to poke it because they don’t like how they want things done? No? Then why are you expecting PCs and PS’ to do any different?
 
Are cops taught in training school about camera phones? Judging by some of the reactions to them on social media it appears not.
Like it or not, society is now full of arm chair lawyers. As soon as someone is stopped or approached by a cop, it seems the normal reaction is to reach for their phone and film. ( Think Dawn Butler last year).
If you don’t want to be filmed in public, I’d suggest not going into a public role.
As I said, I fully appreciate that having a phone stuck in your face is bloody annoying, but sadly that ain’t going to change.
The Jim Davidson lookalike cop in the video, threw his toys out his pram because the guy was filming him, it just made him look an idiot and appear on social media.
His colleague, looked 8 stone piss weight through and looked like he had just left school.
God help us if this is the normal standard of bobbies on the beat.
 
And how do you think they get to Chief Constable or remain there? If they lose the confidence of the Home Secretary or their local PCC/Mayor not very long is the answer.
I’ll deal with the reality that exists and that I’m painfully aware of, as a working police officer as opposed to caselaw that’s almost sixty years old. The Home Office reporting standards changed under May effectively state that if someone thinks a crime has occurred it has. And you can either fight tooth and nail to no crime it and probably lose anyway, or you go the quicker route and bang out a statement and crime report which you then immediately close as not in the public interest or no suspect etc and further f**k the crime stats. Is also the same deal with hate crime, if someone thinks it’s a hate crime it is. Considering hate crimes are immediately flagged for duty Inspector’s attention you’d better have a good excuse for why as a section Sergeant you’re not deploying someone to it.
Is it the right way to police? Almost certainly not but frankly I’m not willing to go down in flames fighting the system and neither it seems does anyone else. Oh until they retire then they run to the press to have a good chunt with their pension nice and safe.
This, exactly. There are even people whose job is to trawl reports to find extra crimes to record, so afraid are the powers that be of being accused of under recording. As @DrunkenIrish says, you cannot fight the system so when Colonel (Ret) Herbert Knicker-Sniffer writes to the Loamshire Times complaining about the lack of bobbies on the beat in Lower Bottomspank he can take solace in the amount of time recording all these crimes actually takes. I would say 50% of the logs on our filter at any given times relate to "Harassment/Threats" via social media.
 
Are cops taught in training school about camera phones? Judging by some of the reactions to them on social media it appears not.
Like it or not, society is now full of arm chair lawyers. As soon as someone is stopped or approached by a cop, it seems the normal reaction is to reach for their phone and film. ( Think Dawn Butler last year).
If you don’t want to be filmed in public, I’d suggest not going into a public role.
As I said, I fully appreciate that having a phone stuck in your face is bloody annoying, but sadly that ain’t going to change.
The Jim Davidson lookalike cop in the video, threw his toys out his pram because the guy was filming him, it just made him look an idiot and appear on social media.
His colleague, looked 8 stone piss weight through and looked like he had just left school.
God help us if this is the normal standard of bobbies on the beat.
We didn't receive any specific training, though in exercises there would often be a phone wielding spoiler.
The approach I've developed to the "I'm filming this" brigade is to say, firstly "So am I" while activating my BWV if not already on and to tell them "I have no problem with you filming, but if you get in my way you'll get nicked for obstruction". Only had to follow through on that threat once.
 
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This, exactly. There are even people whose job is to trawl reports to find extra crimes to record, so afraid are the powers that be of being accused of under recording. As @DrunkenIrish says, you cannot fight the system so when Colonel (Ret) Herbert Knicker-Sniffer writes to the Loamshire Times complaining about the lack of bobbies on the beat in Lower Bottomspank he can take solace in the amount of time recording all these crimes actually takes. I would say 50% of the logs on our filter at any given times relate to "Harassment/Threats" via social media.

Theresa May and the last 11 years of Conservative destruction of the police and the wider CJS will take at least a decade or more to undo.
 
This, exactly. There are even people whose job is to trawl reports to find extra crimes to record, so afraid are the powers that be of being accused of under recording. As @DrunkenIrish says, you cannot fight the system so when Colonel (Ret) Herbert Knicker-Sniffer writes to the Loamshire Times complaining about the lack of bobbies on the beat in Lower Bottomspank he can take solace in the amount of time recording all these crimes actually takes. I would say 50% of the logs on our filter at any given times relate to "Harassment/Threats" via social media.

Another issue is the complete collapse of the mental health care system. Easily 40% minimum of our calls are MH related. Whether it’s suicidal people, people who’ve committed suicide, people have ‘harmless’ delusions, people having mental health crisis’ and trying to hurt themselves or others or people under section who have been allowed to wander off we’re expected to deal with them all as if we’re the militant wing of the NHS and social services.
 
Having a 30 minute argument with a chav with a camera is frustrating, when the chav with a camera could simply comply and be on his merry way in two minutes.
One video I saw showed some gimp with a phone telling the copper how he was going to waste his time and continued being difficult.
He should have nicked the scrote for obstructing police in the execution of their duty.
 
Another issue is the complete collapse of the mental health care system. Easily 40% minimum of our calls are MH related. Whether it’s suicidal people, people who’ve committed suicide, people have ‘harmless’ delusions, people having mental health crisis’ and trying to hurt themselves or others or people under section who have been allowed to wander off we’re expected to deal with them all as if we’re the militant wing of the NHS and social services.
Many of those calls originate from MH/Social services themselves, especially at about 1630hrs and particularly 1630 on Fridays
 
crikey i'm getting flashbacks now, I thought I was done with this.

it's a truly orwellian system and it doesn't look like its changed much since I left. Like has been said a crime is a crime if the person reporting it says its a crime, not if an experienced police officer says so.

I'll give you an example, Man found at bottom of stairs in some flats with head split open broken nose etc. Tells officers at the scene that he was pushed down the stairs by unknown assailant. Reported correctly as GBH.

Next day falls on my lap as Det Sgt Major crime. Assign to my sensible DC who goes to scene. He finds that said stairs lead to a single door, the front door of the victim. Meanwhile I have done a bit of digging on the Victim and found he is being "cared for in the community" and suffers from Schizophrenia often stating he is being followed. Victim interviewed and says he lives alone and all he remembers is that as he left his front door he was suddenly pushed down the stairs, and no there was nobody else in the flat. Did he fall or was he pushed? No evidence to show he was pushed, but more importantly in todays police no evidence to show he wasn't

I tried to get the crime No Crimed (deleted from the system) "no chance sarge victim said he was assaulted" GBH- violent crime, therefore priority, Not solved, bad on crime stats. Ch Supt annoyed. Tied up major crime for most of a morning. That's why your burglary goes to the bottom of the pile
 
that if someone thinks a crime has occurred it has
It has to actually be a credible allegation of a crime though to be classified. If it is not, it is classified as a Crime Related Incident. No Crime is when a crime has been classified but further investigation with supporting evidence shows that 'no crime' has been committed. Supporting evidence being CCTV footage, independent witnesses or the victim admits that the allegation was false.
 
It has to actually be a credible allegation of a crime though to be classified. If it is not, it is classified as a Crime Related Incident. No Crime is when a crime has been classified but further investigation with supporting evidence shows that 'no crime' has been committed. Supporting evidence being CCTV footage, independent witnesses or the victim admits that the allegation was false.

Unfortunately credible is a subjective term hence the many arguments I used to have with compliance and controllers as a PC. Bulk of our no crimes are obvious mental health delusions.
 
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