The police farce.

[GrumpyWasTooCheerful]

Which adresses my point how?

I get going "fantasy Assad" is quite nice and might seem to "solve" a problem, but until we go the full "England Prevails" and turn HMP Belmarsh into Saydnaya we might to to think a bit deeper.

By the way, estimates were about 13,000 executions in that place, and doesn't seem to have solved the problem for Assad either.

End the horror in Syria's torture prisons

Since 2011, thousands of people have died in custody in Syria’s brutal detention centres. Tens of thousands more have experienced shocking torture. Together, we must end the horror in Syria’s prisons. As a crucial first step, the Syrian government must let in independent monitors to investigate...

www.amnesty.org

Don't think you've quite grasped how ruthless the Romans were if you didn't take the hint about packing being a PITA in.
They erased contrary cultures off the face of the earth.

 

[oscar1whisky]

Don't think you've quite grasped how ruthless the Romans were if you didn't take the hint about packing being a PITA in.
They erased contrary cultures off the face of the earth.

and then ploughed in salt to poison the land. Julius Caesar, Conquest of Gaul.

 

[Boumer]

Don't think you've quite grasped how ruthless the Romans were if you didn't take the hint about packing being a PITA in.
They erased contrary cultures off the face of the earth.

Have you seen the state of Syria recently?

 

[ex_colonial]

Where is the deterrence in your suggestion?
What punishment is there is spending their lives in jail at huge expense, while they continue to cohabit with like-minded terrorists/rapists etc?

Simple answer .. castrate & deport to s**thole of origin with all extended family sans any assets here which should be confiscated, sold & help to pay compo to victims!

 

[Gunner82]

I could not imagine men like these putting up with this stupidity for more than 2 seconds
take a look at their ribbons, bloke on the back row has seen some action
I remember a few like him, stoic unafraid and always fair

Not real policemen, they have clean boots.

 

[labrat]

That was tried at one station I worked back in the early 2000s.

The whole senior management team saddled up to go out and do some warrants or something. They all came back empty handed, except a Chief Inspector who (aside from using a version of the caution from the 1980s) was quite a lad.

He used to talk about his experienced in the 1980s riots when a young PC, and pretty much openly hated the Chief Super and Super*. Was quite open about his rush for promotion being all about the pension, but always remembered where he was from and looked after response.

Had a huge amount of respect for him.

It is so rare for people to bother about reality, I laughed when I turned out to an urgent assistance and piled into someone when in CID. The uniform lads were quite amazed to (a) see a CID officer and (b) see one get stuck in. As I pointed out, it was me or no-one else so did they mind awfullly and I would help write it up later. The town I was in was half-way up a valley and a hub for CID not response, and I ended up dealing with a few "collpase in the street", RTC's and general calls for assistance. Not saying I was any good after a decade in CID by that point, but I was another body to help out.

*The Super was hated so much I remember one PC simply saying "****" as he walked past in the canteen. Said Super did nothing, spinless as well as malicious.

One of the justifications they put forward was that it all worked two ways - by having officers from CID & other specialist units pull shifts it brought a lot more direct policing experience and knowledge to response at busy times, which was great learning for newer officers and also gave them a bit of a feel for their own future career development too.

 

[ex_colonial]

The death penalty for terrorist offences sounds like an attractive proposition to many.

The reality is that the authorities just create martyrs to be revered by their supporters as heroic fighters who willingly gave their lives for the cause and that eventual victory that is just somewhere around the corner and which has been brought just that little bit closer by their heroic sacrifice for the cause.

If a terrorist is caught after committing atrocities, particularly murder, publicise their trial showing the world the details of their victims and how their lives were viciously cut short by the actions of these criminals, lock them up, throw the key away and forget about them.

Let them rot in obscurity.

Some terrorist nutters would actually smile and be happy as they were walking to the death chamber in the knowledge that they were securing their place as legends to the cause for perhaps hundreds of years to come.

Locking them up and letting them live behind bars as they become old and infirm is denying them that satisfaction and at the same time demonstrating to the world that we actually do behave morally and correctly when it comes to the sanctity of human life.

The exact opposite of the murderous scum that are now sitting in a cell admiring the sky through a small barred window.

My bold not if all were informed that the terrorist bodies would be desecrated by having certain bits cut off & then buried wrapped in a pigskin!!
Apparently their belief is that the body must be intact in order to go to paradise

 

[ex_colonial]

and then ploughed in salt to poison the land. Julius Caesar, Conquest of Gaul.

That was the Carthaginians not the Gauls ..https://www.mozaweb.com/Extra-Videos-The_Romans_ploughed_over_the_city_of_Carthage_and_sowed_salt_into_the_soil-216874

 

[Auld-Yin]

My bold not if all were informed that the terrorist bodies would be desecrated by having certain bits cut off & then buried wrapped in a pigskin!!
Apparently their belief is that the body must be intact in order to go to paradise

Why then do they blow themselves into thousands of pieces as suicide bombers?

 

[Portree Kid]

Why then do they blow themselves into thousands of pieces as suicide bombers?

Mental Health Issues

 

[Auld-Yin]

Mental Health Issues

Maybe Allah (pbuh) is good at jigsaws.

 

[GrumpyWasTooCheerful]

Have you seen the state of Syria recently?

Which one? Old Syria around Damascus or New Syria centred around Berlin?

 

[Boumer]

Which one? Old Syria around Damascus or New Syria centred around Berlin?

Where they have had success identifying and prosecuting people for war crimes in Syria?

How a Syrian War Criminal Was Brought to Justice — in Germany

When refugees won historic convictions against the Syrian torture regime, they also opened a new front in the global fight for human rights.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Boumer]

My bold not if all were informed that the terrorist bodies would be desecrated by having certain bits cut off & then buried wrapped in a pigskin!!
Apparently their belief is that the body must be intact in order to go to paradise

I do like the savagery of the post.

By any chance, you ever worked in a morgue? Or are you merely the mirror of the savages of ISIS?

Three arrested after desecration of Muslim woman's body with bacon

Detectives investigating the desecration of a Muslim woman's body, which was found covered with bacon in a morgue, have arrested three men and discovered 2,000 photographs of corpses.

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Boumer]

Why then do they blow themselves into thousands of pieces as suicide bombers?

There is actually a lengthy explaination to get around that.

Jihadist ideologists are nothing if not inventive.

Which is funny, as when others do it they would call it Bidah بدعة

And probably execute them

 

[rgjbloke]

My bold not if all were informed that the terrorist bodies would be desecrated by having certain bits cut off & then buried wrapped in a pigskin!!
Apparently their belief is that the body must be intact in order to go to paradise

Not all terrorists are Muslims. I’m also pretty sure that any decent government wouldn’t advocate desecrating dead bodies regardless of what those people might have done when they were in the land of the living.

 

[par avion]

The death penalty for terrorist offences sounds like an attractive proposition to many.

The reality is that the authorities just create martyrs to be revered by their supporters as heroic fighters who willingly gave their lives for the cause and that eventual victory that is just somewhere around the corner and which has been brought just that little bit closer by their heroic sacrifice for the cause.

If a terrorist is caught after committing atrocities, particularly murder, publicise their trial showing the world the details of their victims and how their lives were viciously cut short by the actions of these criminals, lock them up, throw the key away and forget about them.

Let them rot in obscurity.

Some terrorist nutters would actually smile and be happy as they were walking to the death chamber in the knowledge that they were securing their place as legends to the cause for perhaps hundreds of years to come.

Locking them up and letting them live behind bars as they become old and infirm is denying them that satisfaction and at the same time demonstrating to the world that we actually do behave morally and correctly when it comes to the sanctity of human life.

The exact opposite of the murderous scum that are now sitting in a cell admiring the sky through a small barred window.

I think this is vastly overstated. Nobody in Iraqi is holding up Saddam Hussein as a martyr even amongst former Baathist party members and his own tribe. The sole surviver of the Bombay attacks sponsored by the Pakistani ISI went to the gallows in India. Nobody in the islamic world seems to be celebrated him as a martyr. You might think the ISI would do that as he was a Pakistani, but they just wrote the whole group off as being pawns who achieved what the ISI wanted them to do.

I think the Americans have executed at least one terrorist in the USA as well.

 

[Werewolf]

Don't think you've quite grasped how ruthless the Romans were if you didn't take the hint about packing being a PITA in.
They erased contrary cultures off the face of the earth.

Or at the very least shouted, "We're not playing with you nasty savages anymore!" And not only took their ball and went home, but built a couple of BFO Walls to keep the barbarians out. Complete with enough Roman squaddies to jump up and down on the fingers of anyone trying to climb over.

 

[Andy Farman]

A couple of coppers I've known down the years were real fans of the idea that all officers ought to pull a couple of mandatory shifts on response every month, both in order to keep them grounded and to ensure that response was always properly resourced.

With an emphasis on SENIOR officers doing a tour on a regular basis.
One of the problems is that there is an us and them attitude that prevails and senior officers think they are too important and the front line is unimportant. Working conditions are ignored and the all-important public order training is ducked, so when the wheel comes off there are headless chickens in the roles of Gold and Silver command.
Three fine examples of this are Broadwater Farm (no one was in charge - official), Brixton (senior management akin to rabbits caught in the headlights), and the Poll Tax Riot (unsure what to do, senior management did nothing until my boss, former head of the public order branch, got South Norwood's Area Car to 'blue-it' to the scene and took it upon himself to evict the elected gold and silver and run it himself, which probably saved lives).

 

[Gout Man]

My bold not if all were informed that the terrorist bodies would be desecrated by having certain bits cut off & then buried wrapped in a pigskin!!
Apparently their belief is that the body must be intact in order to go to paradise

Well how do they get around the problem of blowing themselves up into bits then