The police farce.

Higher than you think. They have a lot of problems with triad type gangs who aren't deterred by caning. For them its like an initiation rite such as numerous tattoos.

Triad type gangs would be Organised Crime and the only people likely to get a caning would be the low level thugs - Who, oddly enough are paid to deal in violence.

Compare and contrast with the drunken idiots that cause mayhem in the UK most weekends - Where up in front of the beak on Monday morning, straight out the back and given 4 / 6 lashes would all but end that particular nonsense very quickly.

This is in today's Times


Liberal leaders and soft punishments are being blamed for an explosion in murders, gang violence and drugs offences.

Singapore might not be crime free - At least you can walk the streets without your head being on a swivel.

As you can see from the chart - It also has one of the lowest crime rates in the world


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I know you are an avid reader - If you have not already done so. Read Soldier I, and ask '' Pete '' if he would volunteer for another 6 lashes ( HK, late 70's )
 
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Sorry - appeal to emotion fallacy.

I am also fairly certain that the UK has never had capital punishment for that crime.
You dont want the death penalty under any circumstances. Do you have any other options for punishment that would act as both a deterrent and appropriate punishment for crimes on a terrorist level?
 
Sorry - appeal to emotion fallacy.

I am also fairly certain that the UK has never had capital punishment for that crime.

Rape was a hanging offence until the Victorians got squeamish.
As for your emotional fallacy*: please, at my expense, travel to Rotherham, Rochdale, Blackburn, Bradford, Burnley and many other ethnically motivated pedophile nests and inform the victims, their kith and kin, and their fellow non-Islamic citizens that their righteous anger is an emotional fallacy. If you're still in one piece and compus mentis, I'll buy you a pint afterwards.
In all seriousness, there needs to be open** debate about crime and punishment, and a referendum on the reintroduction of corporal punishment and the death penalty.
BTW if the Andrew can shoot admirals, why can't we hang coppers complicit in the rape of minors?

*Rape is probably the most personal, hideous offence against the person after torture, manslaughter and murder.

**Free of the constraints of the various race relation acts.
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Islamiscist terrorists should die of a very old age?
Where is the deterrence in your suggestion?
What punishment is there is spending their lives in jail at huge expense, while they continue to cohabit with like-minded terrorists/rapists etc?
 
Where is the deterrence in your suggestion?
What punishment is there is spending their lives in jail at huge expense, while they continue to cohabit with like-minded terrorists/rapists etc?
Chemical castration
 
I’ve got a lot of time for @Boumer an ex serving cId officer who has dealt with more than his fair share of shit.
I just remember as a uniformed officer dealing with some of the shitbags at some rough inner city schools.
The bastards actually pointing and laughing at us when we were called in by the Head, that was my own fault I should have waited till playtime was over, those primary kids were just little devils.:slow:

You are very kind, thank you.

I tend not to talk about quite a lot I saw, frankly I would end up sounding like Egon Spengler in Ghosbusters....

 
Maybe the USMC/RM approach of 'Every man a rifleman first' would be the way to approach it (again). If people can pass the requirements of a suitable basic police course then at least you'd know that the bloke behind the counter in the front office can turn out if necessary.

A couple of coppers I've known down the years were real fans of the idea that all officers ought to pull a couple of mandatory shifts on response every month, both in order to keep them grounded and to ensure that response was always properly resourced.
 

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A couple of coppers I've known down the years were real fans of the idea that all officers ought to pull a couple of mandatory shifts on response every month, both in order to keep them grounded and to ensure that response was always properly resourced.
As long as it’s overtime at a football match. Otherwise the paperwork in the Traffic Office will just keep building up.
 
A couple of coppers I've known down the years were real fans of the idea that all officers ought to pull a couple of mandatory shifts on response every month, both in order to keep them grounded and to ensure that response was always properly resourced.

That was tried at one station I worked back in the early 2000s.

The whole senior management team saddled up to go out and do some warrants or something. They all came back empty handed, except a Chief Inspector who (aside from using a version of the caution from the 1980s) was quite a lad.

He used to talk about his experienced in the 1980s riots when a young PC, and pretty much openly hated the Chief Super and Super*. Was quite open about his rush for promotion being all about the pension, but always remembered where he was from and looked after response.

Had a huge amount of respect for him.

It is so rare for people to bother about reality, I laughed when I turned out to an urgent assistance and piled into someone when in CID. The uniform lads were quite amazed to (a) see a CID officer and (b) see one get stuck in. As I pointed out, it was me or no-one else so did they mind awfullly and I would help write it up later. The town I was in was half-way up a valley and a hub for CID not response, and I ended up dealing with a few "collpase in the street", RTC's and general calls for assistance. Not saying I was any good after a decade in CID by that point, but I was another body to help out.

*The Super was hated so much I remember one PC simply saying "****" as he walked past in the canteen. Said Super did nothing, spinless as well as malicious.
 
A couple of coppers I've known down the years were real fans of the idea that all officers ought to pull a couple of mandatory shifts on response every month, both in order to keep them grounded and to ensure that response was always properly resourced.

For the last at least 5 years, mandatory backfill of response from most other units except CID/Investigations was a daily event to help keep minimum numbers up.

CID/Investigations were busy enough and equally short handed.
 
You dont want the death penalty under any circumstances. Do you have any other options for punishment that would act as both a deterrent and appropriate punishment for crimes on a terrorist level?
The death penalty for terrorist offences sounds like an attractive proposition to many.

The reality is that the authorities just create martyrs to be revered by their supporters as heroic fighters who willingly gave their lives for the cause and that eventual victory that is just somewhere around the corner and which has been brought just that little bit closer by their heroic sacrifice for the cause.

If a terrorist is caught after committing atrocities, particularly murder, publicise their trial showing the world the details of their victims and how their lives were viciously cut short by the actions of these criminals, lock them up, throw the key away and forget about them.

Let them rot in obscurity.

Some terrorist nutters would actually smile and be happy as they were walking to the death chamber in the knowledge that they were securing their place as legends to the cause for perhaps hundreds of years to come.

Locking them up and letting them live behind bars as they become old and infirm is denying them that satisfaction and at the same time demonstrating to the world that we actually do behave morally and correctly when it comes to the sanctity of human life.

The exact opposite of the murderous scum that are now sitting in a cell admiring the sky through a small barred window.
 
The death penalty for terrorist offences sounds like an attractive proposition to many.

The reality is that the authorities just create martyrs to be revered by their supporters as heroic fighters who willingly gave their lives for the cause and that eventual victory that is just somewhere around the corner and which has been brought just that little bit closer by their heroic sacrifice for the cause.

If a terrorist is caught after committing atrocities, particularly murder, publicise their trial showing the world the details of their victims and how their lives were viciously cut short by the actions of these criminals, lock them up, throw the key away and forget about them.

Let them rot in obscurity.

Some terrorist nutters would actually smile and be happy as they were walking to the death chamber in the knowledge that they were securing their place as legends to the cause for perhaps hundreds of years to come.

Locking them up and letting them live behind bars as they become old and infirm is denying them that satisfaction and at the same time demonstrating to the world that we actually do behave morally and correctly when it comes to the sanctity of human life.

The exact opposite of the murderous scum that are now sitting in a cell admiring the sky through a small barred window.
Don't disagree with the sentiment but life needs to mean life.
 
Anyone who thinks the death penalty stops terrorism, we need to have a little chat about a gent called Sayid Qutb.

Nasser condemned him to death, and realising his mistake pretty much begged Qutb not to put him in the position of going through with it. Qutb went to the gallows, and became the example par excellance for generations.
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His book, Milestones, is probably one of the most important terrorist books no-one bothers to read.

Getting shot dead never detered nationalist terrorists either, and the right wing have their martyr-complex to rival the Salafi-Jihadists. Even better when it is a sister, right?

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Anyone who thinks the death penalty stops terrorism, we need to have a little chat about a gent called Sayid Qutb.

Nasser condemned him to death, and realising his mistake pretty much begged Qutb not to put him in the position of going through with it. Qutb went to the gallows, and became the example par excellance for generations. View attachment 672937

His book, Milestones, is probably one of the most important terrorist books no-one bothers to read.

Getting shot dead never detered nationalist terrorists either, and the right wing have their martyr-complex to rival the Salafi-Jihadists. Even better when it is a sister, right?

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Deal with terrorism the way the Romans (and us) dealt with rebellion.
 
Deal with terrorism the way the Romans (and us) dealt with rebellion.
Which adresses my point how?

I get going "fantasy Assad" is quite nice and might seem to "solve" a problem, but until we go the full "England Prevails" and turn HMP Belmarsh into Saydnaya we might to to think a bit deeper.

By the way, estimates were about 13,000 executions in that place, and doesn't seem to have solved the problem for Assad either.

 

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